Prometheus Review Thread (Spoilers)

[Valaquen]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

Who created the Xenomorphs? Does HR Giger get the credits?

Yep

http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011...-organism.html

[DarkestDemon17]

Originally Posted by PointManification

According to u, u DID watched the Alien series. Whether u like it or not, definitely its ur own opinion and I respect that. Yet u said u didnt noticed that this movie is tied to the Alien series after watching the teaser. Cant you see the HUGE ASS Jockey ship which was in Alien in the Prometheus teaser? Shouldn't it ring some bells to you? That is the most obvious element in the movie which definitely tells us it ties to the Alien series/universe.

Yeah I watched the Alien series, but that was a long time ago, I don't remember much of them lol looks like I'll have to watch them again

[TheWildWhelk]

Actually gents i was watching the original Alien on BD the other day and noticed something that i hope isn't a contradiction, namely that one of the Nostromo crew says that the remains of the 'space jockey' is so old that it has fossilised. That means that the ship has been on the planet for a very long time, longer than the 100 year gap between Prometheus and Alien. Thoughts?

[PointManification]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

Actually gents i was watching the original Alien on BD the other day and noticed something that i hope isn't a contradiction, namely that one of the Nostromo crew says that the remains of the 'space jockey' is so old that it has fossilised. That means that the ship has been on the planet for a very long time, longer than the 100 year gap between Prometheus and Alien. Thoughts?

Yes exactly what I thought when the first time I heard about Prometheus timeline. Its so confusing now. Unless the dumbtard wormhole element is in Prometheus, then perhaps we could have an explanation. That jockey is way way too old since he is fossilized. Could be more than 100 years hell even more. I guess that MAYBE LV426 wont even be shown in the film.

Damn I hate confusion and contradictions of time line in a series of good films. Lets hope its explained well.

[nefilim]

Originally Posted by PointManification

Yes exactly what I thought when the first time I heard about Prometheus timeline. Its so confusing now. Unless the dumbtard wormhole element is in Prometheus, then perhaps we could have an explanation. That jockey is way way too old since he is fossilized. Could be more than 100 years hell even more. I guess that MAYBE LV426 wont even be shown in the film.
Damn I hate confusion and contradictions of time line in a series of good films. Lets hope its explained well.

isnt the jockeys ship crash landing to the lv426 on the teaser ...

[formula_nebula]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

Actually gents i was watching the original Alien on BD the other day and noticed something that i hope isn't a contradiction, namely that one of the Nostromo crew says that the remains of the 'space jockey' is so old that it has fossilised. That means that the ship has been on the planet for a very long time, longer than the 100 year gap between Prometheus and Alien. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by PointManification

Yes exactly what I thought when the first time I heard about Prometheus timeline. Its so confusing now. Unless the dumbtard wormhole element is in Prometheus, then perhaps we could have an explanation. That jockey is way way too old since he is fossilized. Could be more than 100 years hell even more. I guess that MAYBE LV426 wont even be shown in the film.

Damn I hate confusion and contradictions of time line in a series of good films. Lets hope its explained well.

Yea, this has already been brought up before. You could be right about the wormhole, or as others have suggested, it could be an entirely different space jockey ship. After all, all the pictures we've seen, and what we've seen in the trailer, the planet doesn't look like LV-426 (the planet from Alien,Aliens). Hard to say for sure what all is going on. I'm glad we don't know all the answers yet though. I want to be surprised. So far, we have been giving enough information to be intrigued. I want to see a full length trailer, but i'm hoping it won't give too much away.

[Bageara]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

Actually gents i was watching the original Alien on BD the other day and noticed something that i hope isn't a contradiction, namely that one of the Nostromo crew says that the remains of the 'space jockey' is so old that it has fossilised. That means that the ship has been on the planet for a very long time, longer than the 100 year gap between Prometheus and Alien. Thoughts?

Fossils here on earth take thousands of years to form

Maybe the Space Jockey species doesnt decompose after death like we do but instead fossilises

[PointManification]

Originally Posted by nefilim

isnt the jockeys ship crash landing to the lv426 on the teaser ...

I have no idea. But from my own opinion, its highly unlikely. From the trailer the planet is just so beautiful. Earthlike and since they are wearing the suits which proves the atmosphere aint breathable (could be yes or no since there are pics everywhere of some of the characters aint wearing suits) , it could also be LV426 before the terraforming process OR before going some violent evolution.

If its indeed LV426, then the timeline between Prometheus and Alien is way way wayyyyyyy too long as it has transformed into a barren and inhabitable rock. Remember Mars history guys? How it used to be way different and according to scientist it was kinda "beautiful" with its seas and all?

Hell it could even be Earth millions of years ago if the wormhole thingy are indeed in the plot as earth atmosphere millions of years ago was also kinda crazy with all the various and thick gas and air elements in it! I dont know man. Just my humble and dumb opinion from a lametard like me who just happen to enjoy these movies and speculating abt it!

PS : Sorry for my grammar as English aint my first but 3rd language. lol Cheers

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by formula_nebula

Yea, this has already been brought up before. You could be right about the wormhole, or as others have suggested, it could be an entirely different space jockey ship. After all, all the pictures we've seen, and what we've seen in the trailer, the planet doesn't look like LV-426 (the planet from Alien,Aliens). Hard to say for sure what all is going on. I'm glad we don't know all the answers yet though. I want to be surprised. So far, we have been giving enough information to be intrigued. I want to see a full length trailer, but i'm hoping it won't give too much away.

If you click on the filmophelia link at the top of this Ridley Scott interview, you will see that Fox had issues with its publication on the internet. As far as I can tell, the interview has not been debunked as some of the syopses have.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index...988#msg1243988

Excerpt: " RS: I mean, you could actually say, and there’s a quote I did, a pretty good quote: By the end of the third act you start to realize there’s a DNA of the very first alien, but none of the subsequent aliens. To tell you what that is is a pity, and I’m not going to tell you, because it’s actually pretty good, pretty organic to the process and to the original. But we go back, we don’t go forward".

The implication could be that they go back in time via a wormhole. But the question remains: Do they stumble into a wormhole or is timetravel intentional. I speculate that it is unintentional.

Excerpt:" RS I think one of the reasons why I’ve never gone back to science-fiction, even though I’ve often noodled around, thought about it, looked for story, looked for material, is that there’s a nice purity to the original Alien. It’s fairly pure. And this one does actually raise all kinds of other questions, because if someone could, a being, could be as monstrously clever to create something like we experienced in the very first one – I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first Alien] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?"

So, is it a suit or isn't it? If it is a suit, does the suit have properties that make it look fossilized? Perhaps it isn't as old as it appears. It seems a stretch to have the Alien eggs in the Space Jockey ship remain viable after thousands or millions of years.

[Valaquen]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

Actually gents i was watching the original Alien on BD the other day and noticed something that i hope isn't a contradiction, namely that one of the Nostromo crew says that the remains of the 'space jockey' is so old that it has fossilised. That means that the ship has been on the planet for a very long time, longer than the 100 year gap between Prometheus and Alien. Thoughts?

Dallas remarks that it looks fossilised, but this doesn't mean it's literally the case. He doesn't know what he's looking at. Ridley remarked on the Jockey's design saying that he wanted it to look like a fossil in the sense that you can't tell where the creature and his environment [his chair] end and begin - they're completely fused. Giger described this as the Jockey being completely "integrated into the function he performs," ie., he's a pilot, and so he is melded with his own technology, being a biomechanical creature and all.

[Caesar Will Rise]

I'm still interested in this. I've already stated that Sir Ridley's visual command is obviously still in peak condition. As for the theories being bandied about, we'll just have to wait for another trailer or the movie itself to get the full scope of whatever Ridley and crew are doing with this.

[raygendreau]

For those of you interested in trivia, here is the genesis of Weylan(d)-Yutani Corp: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Weyland-Yutani

[PointManification]

But so far the trailer points to us that the Jockey is indeed Humanoid figure. If thats really2 true, then damn thats kinda lame. Why cant they make the Jockey as a creature which we never seen before. Or perhaps the Jockey has always been humanoid thus they created humans in their image? LOL **** Im confused.

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

For those of you interested in trivia, here is the genesis of Weylan(d)-Yutani Corp: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Weyland-Yutani

I wonder after reading that how much of the Weyland Corp mythology is going to be kept intact from AvP and AvP Requiem seeing as Scott has said the film is going 'back not forward'. Even though both team-up films are pretty dire, they do give significant background about Charles Bishop Weyland and his corporation.

Oh, and just a thought, but

[Show spoiler]It has been suggested that the Xenomorphs were specifically created to wipe out humanity. Bearing in mind the act that is commited by crew of the Prometheus, the idea of the Space Jockey ship on it's way to earth with a cargo of Alien pods is not outside the realm of possibility, except the ship crashes on LV421.

[raygendreau]

In the final scenes in the teaser trailer we see the Space Jockey ship? exploding, then balanced upright with Shaw looking up at it. Then we see the ship falling over with both Shaw and Vickers running from it. (Those scenes appear to have been shot in Iceland.) Questions: Shaw, from what I read, is the protagonist (Ripleyesque character) and Vickers the antagonist, although, at this point she may have had a change of heart after finding out how purely evil and ruthless the Space Jockeys/gods/Engineers actually are.
So, are we to believe that the Space Jockey is on the ship that tipped over/crashed? Are they two different ships? How did Vickers and Shaw get there? (I'm assuming this is taking place on LV 426) Were they on the ship? What burst out of the Space Jockey Suit or out of the Space Jockey and the suit? Is there a final battle between Vickers/Shaw and what burst out of the Space Jockey suit? Ian Whyte (7 foot tall) has been cast as one of the Engineer/gods. Is he going to be involved in a final battle with Vickers/Shaw? Or is it just going to be Shaw against Vickers? (unlikely) If they manage to stage an ending like Alien's or Aliens', that will be something to behold.

About 5 months to go. (RATS)

[TylerDurden]

I always was of the opinion that the alien queen in the movie Aliens was the creature that burst out of the space jockey/suit.

[TheWildWhelk]

Ray, i'd be here until well after faculty closing time today trying to answer your questions, but the uber-short answer i can give you is that LV426 doesn't appear in the film. Iceland was standing in for Earth at the dawn of time. Yes, the ship we see crashing is the same model/make as the one from Alien, but this suggests it is the defacto vehicle used by the Engineers/Elder Gods to seed planets across the galaxy. Prometheus features backward time travel and is set 100 years before Alien. Ridley Scott has said that we will "See the DNA of the Xenomorph" in the film. This means in human terms showing us the equivalent of the ape creature that human beings evolved into. We will see this new creature and understand how the Xenomorph eventually evolved into the saliva-dripping acid-blooded killing machine we all know of!

Or to put it more directly (from an associate who has made a suggestion) there is no way Prometheus as a film will segue directly into Scott's Alien film. We aren't talking The Thing 2011 and The Thing 1982 here, or Trek 2: Khan and Trek 3: Search.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

Ray, i'd be here until well after faculty closing time today trying to answer your questions, but the uber-short answer i can give you is that LV426 doesn't appear in the film. Iceland was standing in for Earth at the dawn of time. Yes, the ship we see crashing is the same model/make as the one from Alien, but this suggests it is the defacto vehicle used by the Engineers/Elder Gods to seed planets across the galaxy. Prometheus features backward time travel and is set 100 years before Alien. Ridley Scott has said that we will "See the DNA of the Xenomorph" in the film. This means in human terms showing us the equivalent of the ape creature that human beings evolved into. We will see this new creature and understand how the Xenomorph eventually evolved into the saliva-dripping acid-blooded killing machine we all know of!

Or to put it more directly (from an associate who has made a suggestion) there is no way Prometheus as a film will segue directly into Scott's Alien film. We aren't talking The Thing 2011 and The Thing 1982 here, or Trek 2: Khan and Trek 3: Search.

Thanks for playing, Oxford. Very authoritative answer. However, your timeline is off. The beginning of Prometheus takes place in 2085, Alien in 2122, 37 years later and Aliens, 57 years after Alien in 2179. If time travel is involved, part of the film may take place millions of year in the past.

[Show spoiler]"MTV: Since this is a prequel, will you need to make the ships more primitive-looking than in "Alien"?

Scott: It's set in 2085, about 30 years before Sigourney [Weaver's character Ellen Ripley]. It's fundamentally about going out to find out 'Who the hell was that Space Jockey?' The guy who was sitting in the chair in the alien vehicle — there was a giant fellow sitting in a seat on what looked to be either a piece of technology or an astronomer's chair. Remember that?"

Also, the "dawn of time", terraforming scene is not the only scene of the film shot in Iceland. There were a least two locations used and around two weeks of shooting. This interview excerpt seems to put the scene of Noomi and Charlize running in spacesuits from the toppling ship in Iceland which is standing in for Earth at the "dawn of time" and LV 426 at an unknown point in time.)

"Did you have to do anything to get in shape for this role?

THERON: I didn’t have to get in shape for this role. I don’t really get to do a lot. I’m the suit, so I have a very fancy office with very expensive chairs, and I boss people around, in my very expensive suit. I didn’t really have that much action. In the third act, I have to do a little bit of running and stuff, which I just did in Iceland. I just came back on Monday. And, I s--t you not, I am bruised from head to toe, so maybe I should have gotten in shape for the film. I am so bruised, and Noomi [Rapace] has nothing. She does not have a bruise. She was like, “Why aren’t we rolling? Why aren’t we running?” I was out of breath and like, “Oh my god, it hurts!”



LINDELOF: [Noomi] is an animal. Charlize is leaving out the part where all the running is happening with 40 pounds of gear.



THERON: And I’m about seven feet taller than [Noomi], and we’re running in sand. I was going to do Mad Max, and then that got a push. I started training for that, for six months, but I’d be lying if I said I was training on this."

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2011/0...rometheus.html

I believe the scene with Vickers and Shaw running in spacesuits was filmed near Hekla, Iceland: http://www.chinci.com/travel/pax/q/2...ngarvallasysla

Scott was quoted in an Icelandic Film Magazine Myndir manadarins in July/August 2011 stating that both the beginning and end of the film is shot in Iceland. Excerpt: Scott and crew, numbering over 300 people, have spent the last two weeks shooting what Scott (said) will be “around 15 minutes of the film. The beginning and the end will be shot here.”

[Duffy12]

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Gorgeous colors!


And not a hint of that nasty f****ing teal in it either!

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[supercutz]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

I always was of the opinion that the alien queen in the movie Aliens was the creature that burst out of the space jockey/suit.

Me too