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EbonDragon · 12-11-2018, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

I didn't know Blade Runner 2049 had some scenes shot on IMAX. The aspect ratio is the same along the movie but I haven't noticed any picture quality improvement on some scenes from the use of IMAX. Which are the IMAX scenes on Blade Runner 2049?

As far as I know, they didn’t film with IMAX cameras, it was just open matte. It was an incredible experience though.

FilmFreakosaurus · 12-11-2018, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

I didn't know Blade Runner 2049 had some scenes shot on IMAX. The aspect ratio is the same along the movie but I haven't noticed any picture quality improvement on some scenes from the use of IMAX. Which are the IMAX scenes on Blade Runner 2049?

It was not filmed at any point for IMAX, the studio just provided an open matted to 1.90:1 version against the wishes of the DP to sell higher priced tickets. He shot and composed the film for 2.39:1 to match the first film. Even various items like dolly tracks and boom mics had to be digitally erased as they were exposed when the framing mattes were opened.

FilmFreakosaurus · 12-11-2018, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by EbonDragon

As far as I know, they didn’t film with IMAX cameras, it was just open matte. It was an incredible experience though.

That ruined the composition. The shots were framed for a scope ratio.

EbonDragon · 12-11-2018, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

That ruined the composition. The shots were framed for a scope ratio.

People keep repeating that but it changed nothing for me. The first time I saw it was scope, I preferred the IMAX presentation.

King Crimson · 12-11-2018, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EbonDragon

People keep repeating that but it changed nothing for me. The first time I saw it was scope, I preferred the IMAX presentation.

I respect RD wishes and I do like the OAR of the film...BUT I do think for Warner/Sony and the fans it would be good business for everyone if we had the IMAX open matte ration on 4K as well.

Geoff D · 12-11-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

I didn't know Blade Runner 2049 had some scenes shot on IMAX. The aspect ratio is the same along the movie but I haven't noticed any picture quality improvement on some scenes from the use of IMAX. Which are the IMAX scenes on Blade Runner 2049?

The amount of films actually "shot on IMAX" - true 15-perf 65mm - barely run into double figures. Everything else is literally just a modern digital camera (RED, Sony F55/65, Alexa, Alexa 65 etc, IMAX sticker optional) with the mattes opened up. That's it.

eddievanhalen · 12-12-2018, 02:22 AM

But if a movie is shot open matte (that means something like or near 1.33:1, right?) and then crop to let's say 2.35:1 resolution from the camera sensor is lost. It seems silly to me.

FilmFreakosaurus · 12-12-2018, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

But if a movie is shot open matte (that means something like or near 1.33:1, right?) and then crop to let's say 2.35:1 resolution from the camera sensor is lost. It seems silly to me.

It's called framing. Think of it like a painting. You compose the image for a fixed canvas. The canvas' ratio is chosen that best represents the story you're trying to tell in said painting.

Geoff D · 12-12-2018, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

But if a movie is shot open matte (that means something like or near 1.33:1, right?) and then crop to let's say 2.35:1 resolution from the camera sensor is lost. It seems silly to me.

You know that that's how thousands of movies have been shot & framed - on film, digital, whatever - since the inception of the widescreen era...right? The exact same principle applies to every movie ever shot Super 35 4-perf for a 2.39 extraction, for example. Just because the area was exposed doesn't mean it was meant to be seen, and even if it was then just opening up those mattes doesn't make it true "IMAX" quality.

Take Tron Legacy, people often talk about the amazing "IMAX" scenes but everything on that shoot was in 16:9 1080p, either from the Sony F35 (which had the same sensor as the Panavision Genesis) or the Phantom high-speed camera, and all the "IMAX" version is doing is opening up the mattes. BTW that movie's output was also recorded onto HDCAM SR so I guess we'll have to chuck it in the bin while we're at it

sapiendut · 12-12-2018, 01:22 PM

I just find it silly that to this day peole still don’t understand what Original Aspect Ratio means. There are hardly lieMAX presentation that is not oroginally framed for scope ratio. The only reason they have open matte scenes are literally to sell IMAX tickets.

King Crimson · 12-12-2018, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sapiendut

I just find it silly that to this day peole still don’t understand what Original Aspect Ratio means. There are hardly lieMAX presentation that is not oroginally framed for scope ratio. The only reason they have open matte scenes are literally to sell IMAX tickets.

I wouldn't be quick to generalize these people. There are plenty of people who want and desire the OAR but would also like as an option to have the film in its IMAX ratio, it will help sell discs and 65"- UP TV's. The world of 2049 as the common example is a gorgeous film and I would like the option to see as much of the picture as possible. Its not that we don't want the OAR or understand its purpose and intent. We just desire a choice.

sapiendut · 12-12-2018, 01:58 PM

But having TV less than 65” is no excuse for disregarding OAR. I started this hobby ehen I only had a 24” 4:3 TV playing scope LaserDisc.

Geoff D · 12-12-2018, 10:35 PM

I got that beat! I watched 'scope VHS movies on a 14" portable when I was a kid.

sapiendut · 12-12-2018, 10:54 PM

Dang! That’s impressive!

That’s why it boggles my mind when people say “but my TV is only 55” and I want it to be filled”. SMH. Why bother with this hobby if you don’t care about faithful presentation to a movie’s intended OAR.

I remember we had to fight and signed petitions for OAR and now people are asking for “fill ip the screen!”

SMH... FML.

eddievanhalen · 12-13-2018, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

You know that that's how thousands of movies have been shot & framed - on film, digital, whatever - since the inception of the widescreen era...right? The exact same principle applies to every movie ever shot Super 35 4-perf for a 2.39 extraction, for example. Just because the area was exposed doesn't mean it was meant to be seen, and even if it was then just opening up those mattes doesn't make it true "IMAX" quality.

Take Tron Legacy, people often talk about the amazing "IMAX" scenes but everything on that shoot was in 16:9 1080p, either from the Sony F35 (which had the same sensor as the Panavision Genesis) or the Phantom high-speed camera, and all the "IMAX" version is doing is opening up the mattes. BTW that movie's output was also recorded onto HDCAM SR so I guess we'll have to chuck it in the bin while we're at it

It still seems silly to me. In this era camera sensor should be wide, something like 2.35:1 so most of the sensor's pixels end up of the finished movie. If anybody wants to shoot on a narrower format for TV for example, or a movie on 1.85:1, it would sacrifice some vertical resolution, but that aspect ratio was very popular in the 90's (Remember Jurassic Park?) but we're not in the 90's anymore.

Geoff D · 12-13-2018, 02:09 AM

People still make movies in 1.85, last time I checked. As you said, TV still requires 16:9. But the main reason why sensors are still taller rather than wider is because of anamorphic lenses which were designed to do EXACTLY what you're talking about: use almost all of the frame to squeeze a wider image into a taller one.

Waboman · 12-13-2018, 06:31 AM

Just got home from the Bob Seger concert and find this new IMAX enhanced UHD disc in my mailbox. Looks like we're going enhanced tonight fo sho. Rock n roll never forgets.

King Crimson · 12-13-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sapiendut

Dang! That’s impressive!

That’s why it boggles my mind when people say “but my TV is only 55” and I want it to be filled”. SMH. Why bother with this hobby if you don’t care about faithful presentation to a movie’s intended OAR.

I remember we had to fight and signed petitions for OAR and now people are asking for “fill ip the screen!”

SMH... FML.

They're asking for an option, not your liver. Relax.

sapiendut · 12-13-2018, 01:26 PM

Asking for option is OK but then saying that open matte is better because using more resolution etc is not... because it’s wrong. Movie is about OAR. Asking for open matte is not OAR.

I prefer movies to fill up my screen too, quite honestly, but OAR is OAR.

King Crimson · 12-13-2018, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sapiendut

Asking for option is OK but then saying that open matte is better because using more resolution etc is not... because it’s wrong. Movie is about OAR. Asking for open matte is not OAR.

I prefer movies to fill up my screen too, quite honestly, but OAR is OAR.

No one is stopping you from enjoying your OAR. Let people enjoy Open Matte on certain films.

12-12-2018, 02:22 AM	#207
eddievanhalen Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:9	But if a movie is shot open matte (that means something like or near 1.33:1, right?) and then crop to let's say 2.35:1 resolution from the camera sensor is lost. It seems silly to me.

12-12-2018, 01:22 PM	#210
sapiendut Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Canada 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:3	I just find it silly that to this day peole still don’t understand what Original Aspect Ratio means. There are hardly lieMAX presentation that is not oroginally framed for scope ratio. The only reason they have open matte scenes are literally to sell IMAX tickets.

12-12-2018, 01:58 PM	#212
sapiendut Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Canada 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:3	But having TV less than 65” is no excuse for disregarding OAR. I started this hobby ehen I only had a 24” 4:3 TV playing scope LaserDisc.

12-12-2018, 10:35 PM	#213
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	I got that beat! I watched 'scope VHS movies on a 14" portable when I was a kid.

12-12-2018, 10:54 PM	#214
sapiendut Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Canada 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:3	Dang! That’s impressive! That’s why it boggles my mind when people say “but my TV is only 55” and I want it to be filled”. SMH. Why bother with this hobby if you don’t care about faithful presentation to a movie’s intended OAR. I remember we had to fight and signed petitions for OAR and now people are asking for “fill ip the screen!” SMH... FML.

12-13-2018, 02:09 AM	#216
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	People still make movies in 1.85, last time I checked. As you said, TV still requires 16:9. But the main reason why sensors are still taller rather than wider is because of anamorphic lenses which were designed to do EXACTLY what you're talking about: use almost all of the frame to squeeze a wider image into a taller one.

12-13-2018, 06:31 AM	#217
Waboman Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Dec 2009 Location:In a van down by the river 4K collection:197 Blu-ray collection:500 Trading Score:3	Just got home from the Bob Seger concert and find this new IMAX enhanced UHD disc in my mailbox. Looks like we're going enhanced tonight fo sho. Rock n roll never forgets.

12-13-2018, 01:26 PM	#219
sapiendut Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Canada 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:3	Asking for option is OK but then saying that open matte is better because using more resolution etc is not... because it’s wrong. Movie is about OAR. Asking for open matte is not OAR. I prefer movies to fill up my screen too, quite honestly, but OAR is OAR.

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