IMAX Enhanced

[suspiciouscoffee]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Um...but it says it's IMAX Enhanced on the UHD cover! Spoiler alert: IE isn't just about having an expanded ratio. It's about having a bloke named Chad taking five minutes to look at the master and declaring it to be IMAX Enhanced.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Nope. These various issues have been documented and graphed more than once. If you have a Trinnov you can also see what's happening... or not.

The Trinnov just shows objects locked to 7.1.4

What they don't show is the original mixing decisions made by Disney studios - a lot of the movies are initially mixed at Skywalker and then say "Final Mix at Walt Disney Studios".

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

In actuality, having expanded image ratio is NOT the requirement to be IE Certified. It needs to have Original Aspect Ratio, whatever the OAR is.

Personally I don't care about IE requirements which even IMAX are probably are not aware. All I care is offering more content in Expanded Aspect Ratio (be it streaming or disc) as long as it doesn't impact the picture quality.

[Hydra Spectre]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

“Chad Approved” actually have a better ring to it!!

The Virgin CinemaScope vs The Chad IMAX Enhanced

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Volume control works wonders.

Yes, you can, almost to max volume, but it still seems something is missing, especially when you compare audio from the disc to audio from Disney streams.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Personally I don't care about IE requirements which even IMAX are probably are not aware. All I care is offering more content in Expanded Aspect Ratio (be it streaming or disc) as long as it doesn't impact the picture quality.

What about movies like Oblivion or Blade Runner 2049 where the director's preferred version is 2.39 and the IMAX 1.90 versions were limited to those showings and done by contract?

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

What about movies like Oblivion or Blade Runner 2049 where the director's preferred version is 2.39 and the IMAX 1.90 versions were limited to those showings and done by contract?

I have no idea. All I care is someone coming forward and offering these without any loss in picture quality.

I stopped wearing this adamant and egoist purist hat since last year as I felt life is too short to miss on many things.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

There's a DTS:X "IMAX" 12.0 track and a squirt of metadata to put your receiver and TV into IMAX Enhanced mode if supported. That's pretty much it.

Sony 2020 and 2021 TVs, many of them, are IMAX Enhanced certified, however not one of them supports HDR10+ which is part of the IMAX Enhanced standard. I don't know of any LG TVs that are IMAX Enhanced certified. I don't of any of them that support HDR10+. Samsung QLEDs support HDR10+ but will they pass DTS X audio? Do Disney plus IMAX Enhanced movies support HDR10+ or will continue to see presented in Dolby Vision, which by the way, is technically superior to HDR10+?

The audio side of things with IMAX Enhanced is really problematic. What we have is a 12 channel-based audio format, not object-based, which is a step backward.

[Modren]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

What about movies like Oblivion or Blade Runner 2049 where the director's preferred version is 2.39 and the IMAX 1.90 versions were limited to those showings and done by contract?

I think it'd be neat to see them on disc, at least as a bonus feature in some special edition. Like, Blade Runner has five different edits that I can watch on Blu-ray in decent quality, and Ridley Scott vocally disapproves of 4/5 of those versions; I don't think it's too much to ask for the same edit, with more image information, as an option if we so desire.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Sony 2020 and 2021 TVs, many of them, are IMAX Enhanced certified, however not one of them supports HDR10+ which is part of the IMAX Enhanced standard. I don't know of any LG TVs that are IMAX Enhanced certified. I don't of any of them that support HDR10+. Samsung QLEDs support HDR10+ but will they pass DTS X audio? Do Disney plus IMAX Enhanced movies support HDR10+ or will continue to see presented in Dolby Vision, which by the way, is technically superior to HDR10+?

The audio side of things with IMAX Enhanced is really problematic. What we have is a 12 channel-based audio format, not object-based, which is a step backward.

I very much doubt if top streaming providers (iTunes / MoviesAnwhere / Vudu / Disney+ / Netflix etc.) will ever support HDR10+ let alone DTS.

The vast majority doesn't care about HDR10+.

Most of the DTS-X sound on discs are anyway neutered in the low end. Take a look at the discussions in AVSForum bass threads related to this. Very few DTS-X mixes on discs have reference quality sound. The only track that stood out for me is Serenity. Some suggests that DTS-HD MA 5.1/7.1 and Neural-X works better than DTS-X lol.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I very much doubt if top streaming providers (iTunes / MoviesAnwhere / Vudu / Disney+ / Netflix etc.) will ever support HDR10+ let alone DTS.

The vast majority doesn't care about HDR10+.

Most of the DTS-X sound on discs are anyway neutered in the low end. Take a look at the discussions in AVSForum bass threads related to this. Very few DTS-X mixes on discs have reference quality sound. The only track that stood out for me is Serenity. Some suggests that DTS-HD MA 5.1/7.1 and Neural-X works better than DTS-X lol.

Yep, I do agree. There's nothing special about DTS-X audio even on disc. It's cool to see the DTS-X light on the receiver, but you're not missing anything.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

however not one of them supports HDR10+ which is part of the IMAX Enhanced standard.

HDR10+ is not part of the IMAX Enhanced standard (like having an opened up picture isn't either). I think people got that impression because Shout Factory's 2 IMAX 4K discs with IE were also HDR10+. But Sony's were not and AFAIK none have been since. Sony also streams a lot of IE titles on their Bravia CORE service and they are HDR10 & DTS:X only.

[sapiendut]

Actually, during the initial IE training at CEDIA 2 years ago, Xperi actually claimed that IE require HDR10+.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Yep, I do agree. There's nothing special about DTS-X audio even on disc. It's cool to see the DTS-X light on the receiver, but you're not missing anything.

IE version of DTSX is NOT the same thing as DTSX

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Actually, during the initial IE training at CEDIA 2 years ago, Xperi actually claimed that IE require HDR10+.

Apparently they either lied or things changed behind the scenes when they realized Sony wouldn't go for that.

Originally Posted by sapiendut

IE version of DTSX is NOT the same thing as DTSX

It's similar though, instead of 11.1 it's 12.0

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Sony 2020 and 2021 TVs, many of them, are IMAX Enhanced certified, however not one of them supports HDR10+ which is part of the IMAX Enhanced standard. I don't know of any LG TVs that are IMAX Enhanced certified. I don't of any of them that support HDR10+. Samsung QLEDs support HDR10+ but will they pass DTS X audio? Do Disney plus IMAX Enhanced movies support HDR10+ or will continue to see presented in Dolby Vision, which by the way, is technically superior to HDR10+?

The audio side of things with IMAX Enhanced is really problematic. What we have is a 12 channel-based audio format, not object-based, which is a step backward.

Aside from a few Chinese displays, IMAX Enhanced is only available on Sony displays, and aside from a few IMAX documentaries, only Sony has released IMAX Enhanced discs, all of which are encoded in HDR10. IMAX Enhanced is very much a Sony thing, and Sony is on the Dolby Vision side, not the HDR10+ side.

Also, DTS:X is an object-based system in which audio objects carry a polar coordinate which your sound device then uses in conjunction with the way it is configured to determine which speaker(s) these objects should play through. It is DTS's competitor to Dolby's Atmos system and even works with the upward-firing drivers on "Dolby Atmos" speakers. This is unlike the European Auro-3D system which simply uses up to 13.1 channels.

[avs commenter]

The original vision of IE is dead. And I doubt there will be few if any IE content outside of Disney+ in the future

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

This this this thiiiiiiiiiiiis. I don't doubt that there will be IMAX Enhanced phones before long

Well they already have ATMOS! an advert I saw yesterday had some youth saying their phone had "theatre quality sound" ...

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

This this this thiiiiiiiiiiiis. I don't doubt that there will be IMAX Enhanced phones before long

Oh God that is guaranteed to happen. I got a new Google Pixel phone and it was advertised as being a "theatrical display" and I died a little inside.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Also, DTS:X is an object-based system in which audio objects carry a polar coordinate which your sound device then uses in conjunction with the way it is configured to determine which speaker(s) these objects should play through.

It is, but it isn't. Due to limitations - namely DTS buying SRS and then trying to use their object based square peg into a round hole of DTS-HD MA certain limitations came up, namely the CPU intensive DTS method of building a lossless codec on top of a lossy base core (and why many devices will natively decode TrueHD but only have "DTS out") - the system were locked into a 7.1.4 channel configuration with no actual objects. There are a few object-based encodes out there (the 4K of Independence Day) but DTS will tell their clients to use a 7.1.4 channel output instead. Then they came out with DTS:X Pro which is a playback only option to allow upmixing to layouts with more than 7.1.4 output.

With the exception of most Disney 4Ks, Atmos is the only true object-based home system