The Criterion Collection

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by octagon

You people are crazy, TV is freaking awesome.

You got your live sports, you got your cable dramas, you got your premium cable dramas, you got your sitcoms all the way from premium cable down to some surprisingly solid network offerings.

And Celebrity Apprentice is even coming back. With Geraldo Rivera.

Seriously, you people are freaking nuts.

I admit, I watch a lot of TV. Mostly these days it's re-run marathons of stuff like "Criminal Minds" or "Law & Order" (an of them) or "Castle." But I basically have to have TV for sports, live events, etc.

I mean, the Australian Open starts in a few weeks. What would I do without ESPN2? Every single year, I completely alter my schedule to watch the AO because they are on some crazy time! How would I watch the LPGA? What about every single Detroit Tigers game during the season?

Does ATT screw me on the price? Absolutely. But, well, that's the way it is.

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Always been a bit confuse by this myself. Been listening to heavy metal for what now 35 years or more. Sure I like the main stream stuff, will admit that Iron Maiden is without a doubt one of my top five band in music. However also been listening to some pretty hard core stuff, bands that make Metalica sound like Taylor Swift in comparison and yet i am pretty normal guy

Hey! I really hope you're not implying anything bad about my T-Swizzle!

Originally Posted by jmclick

Yep! I majored in Radio-TV-Film at the University of Texas at Austin, with a concentration in Film History, and that's what a lot of my homework consisted of: watching gorgeous prints of classic films on the big screen. There were two film series playing every night on campus, as well as two independent, commercial theatres close by that showed the classics.

On a Monday night, for an example, I might see Wild Strawberries at 7:00, then run across campus to catch the 9:30 showing of Murder, My Sweet, and then dash over to Dobie Mall to see the midnight showing of Bonnie and Clyde. Tuesday night would be The Awful Truth at 7:00, Wild Boys of the Road at 9:30 and Breathless at midnight. I loved school!

Of course, like so many people with degrees in Film History, college didn't exactly prepare me for a career making real money. Which is why I first went into Advertising, and later became a National Accounts Manager for a large consumer products company! It all worked out well in the end.

And speaking of the Criterion Collection, did I mention how attractive I think Monica Vitti is?

Damn, I can see why you enjoyed school. And I'm glad things all worked out in the end.

As to Vitti, right now I have three of her titles, the three Antonioni "Trilogy of Alienation" films.

[yhzmr]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

I admit, I watch a lot of TV. Mostly these days it's re-run marathons of stuff like "Criminal Minds" or "Law & Order" (an of them) or "Castle." But I basically have to have TV for sports, live events, etc.

I mean, the Australian Open starts in a few weeks. What would I do without ESPN2? Every single year, I completely alter my schedule to watch the AO because they are on some crazy time! How would I watch the LPGA? What about every single Detroit Tigers game during the season?

Does ATT screw me on the price? Absolutely. But, well, that's the way it is.



Hey! I really hope you're not implying anything bad about my T-Swizzle!



Damn, I can see why you enjoyed school. And I'm glad things all worked out in the end.

As to Vitti, right now I have three of her titles, the three Antonioni "Trilogy of Alienation" films.

I was introduced to Monica Vitti last week in L'avventura. An absolute goddess. I don't know why Hollywood didn't import her like they did Sophia Loren. Perhaps she couldn't speak English? A rare beauty indeed.

[RojD]

Originally Posted by lordmorpheus72

Well I just finished Brazil, and what I can say is, it is a very Terry Gilliam film.

[Show spoiler]It was my first time watching the film and I watched the 142 minute director's cut version on the blu-ray edition of the film. I'm waiting to watch the "Love Conquers All" version, I don't want to both so closely together... really want to be able to sit with that version for a while. Same with the bonus features.

The film itself was quite interesting to say the least. It's very clear that many of the later dystopian films take many of their ideas and themes from the film. Gilliam's vision of a bureaucratic society tends to strike a chord with the thoughts of what could be, and what has become in some areas of today's culture. While it is of course a broad, satirist, stroke of what could be, it does tend to hit home from time to time. I do enjoy his style of film making and the use of over-the-top sets in the film really just make it all the more enjoyable. It's definitely a film I'm happy to own and be able to watch again.

I also have the 132 minute (theatrical ?) release on blu-ray as well that I'll give a watch eventually. I picked it up when I upgraded my Criterion dvd release.

Next up tonight is Bottle Rocket.... bring on the Wes Anderson haters. Ha! Kidding you guys....

I like Brazil so much. How prescient: A government using terrorism to justify its own security overreach.....in 1985, no less. And an out-of-touch wealthy class. It's almost eerie.

Brazil was the entry for me to other work by Gilliam, which I don't think I'd have liked as much if I hadn't connected with his style in that movie. And I think of Tati's Playtime when I think of Brazil though Playtime predated Brazil by 20 years. Both films would appeal to that inner Luddite that lurks in the heart of man.

And I'm a big fan of Wes Anderson but not of Bottle Rocket. At some point, Anderson's love of quirk got wedded to worthwhile content....maybe around The Royal Tenenbaums...but that hadn't happened yet in Bottle Rocket. But let us know what you think.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by yhzmr

I was introduced to Monica Vitti last week in L'avventura. An absolute goddess. I don't know why Hollywood didn't import her like they did Sophia Loren. Perhaps she couldn't speak English? A rare beauty indeed.

Yeah, I know she's dubbed in some films.

Now when I get Red Desert, my Criterion collection will be complete.

[hoytereden]

Originally Posted by yhzmr

I was introduced to Monica Vitti last week in L'avventura. An absolute goddess. I don't know why Hollywood didn't import her like they did Sophia Loren. Perhaps she couldn't speak English? A rare beauty indeed.

The only sorta mainstream film I remember her in was Modesty Blaise.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by hoytereden

The only sorta mainstream film I remember her in was Modesty Blaise.

She was in some others that I've never seen and that look awful.

But I did nail the last copy of the Criterion Red Desert at Amazon. Arrives Tuesday!

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Always been a bit confuse by this myself. Been listening to heavy metal for what now 35 years or more. Sure I like the main stream stuff, will admit that Iron Maiden is without a doubt one of my top five band in music. However also been listening to some pretty hard core stuff, bands that make Metalica sound like Taylor Swift in comparison and yet i am pretty normal guy

My tastes go all over the board, but I've been listening to Iron Maiden a lot over the past few weeks, after having (finally) upgraded my old cassette tapes to CD. I've got the first seven studio albums on disc, as well as the amazing live album, Live After Death.

Some friends and I bought lawn tickets to an Iron Maiden show back in 2012, and that was a wake-up call that it had been too long since I had given them some serious listening.

This is a Criterion-related post, since Iron Maiden reportedly got their font from this title...

[Show spoiler]

[belcherman]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

I think that The Chill will play completely differently to those of us who were around at the time the film came out, as opposed to a younger audience. I think it's very much a film of its time.

Then again, it's been a while since I've seen it.

You could say that about a lot of movies. An unfair but interesting comparison would be with The Best Years of Our Lives. Modern audiences can never relate to it in the same way that the original audience could. They survived WWII, either on the home front or in service and TBYoOL was their story. Still, it stands today as a great piece of film-making that modern audiences can appreciate even if they can't relate directly with the characters.

The Big Chill is a similar artifact of its time. I saw TBC in the theaters when it came out. The characters weren't much older than I at the time but I couldn't relate to them because I was in a different economic demographic, still working at an entry-level job two years out of college. Even then I found the characters self-absorbed. I think that was the point. Not that they were meant to be unsympathetic, but the film makes no effort to disguise their inherent narcissism. On the other hand, I have to admit that part of me wanted to be like them. They were narcissistic sell-outs, but they lived in great houses and drove cool cars. And that was part of the point, too. As we entered the 80's. selling out looked good.

Having said all that, I think that The Big Chill stands today as a great piece of film-making, perhaps on a lesser rank than The Best Years of Our Lives, but important nonetheless as not just an artistic achievement, but also as a social document.

Speaking of social documents, it would be great if Criterion could release John Sayles's The Return of the Secaucus Seven, the movie that many claim TBC ripped off. Heck, just about any Sayles would be welcome.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by belcherman

You could say that about a lot of movies. An unfair but interesting comparison would be with The Best Years of Our Lives. Modern audiences can never relate to it in the same way that the original audience could. They survived WWII, either on the home front or in service and TBYoOL was their story. Still, it stands today as a great piece of film-making that modern audiences can appreciate even if they can't relate directly with the characters.

Yeah, that definitely applies to TBY It's different than a movie like The Thin Red Line, which I think anyone can really relate to. TBY was so much about the effects that the war had on these people's families, their lives, and such. A movie like the TTRL is more of a straight up war movie, though with obvious Malick quirks.

The Big Chill is a similar artifact of its time. I saw TBC in the theaters when it came out. The characters weren't much older than I at the time but I couldn't relate to them because I was in a different economic demographic, still working at an entry-level job two years out of college. Even then I found the characters self-absorbed. I think that was the point. Not that they were meant to be unsympathetic, but the film makes no effort to disguise their inherent narcissism. On the other hand, I have to admit that part of me wanted to be like them. They were narcissistic sell-outs, but they lived in great houses and drove cool cars. And that was part of the point, too. As we entered the 80's. selling out looked good.

Having said all that, I think that The Big Chill stands today as a great piece of film-making, perhaps on a lesser rank than The Best Years of Our Lives, but important nonetheless as not just an artistic acheivement, but also as a social document.

I was younger than you, it seems. But I remember thinking they were cool, too. But you're right about the 80s. Self-absorption was a positive personal quality, and in many ways how "good" of a person you were was partly judged by how much stuff you had, and how nice it was.

In a way, the general mantra of the 80s could be Alien's classic speech from Spring Breakers.

Speaking of social documents, it would be great if Criterion could release John Sayles's The Return of the Secaucus Seven, the movie that many claim TBC ripped off. Heck, just about any Sayles would be welcome.

I'm embarrassed to say that I've never seen that. I know of it of course. But somehow I've always missed it.

[jw007]

Originally Posted by octagon

You people are crazy, TV is freaking awesome.

You got your live sports, you got your cable dramas, you got your premium cable dramas, you got your sitcoms all the way from premium cable down to some surprisingly solid network offerings.

And Celebrity Apprentice is even coming back. With Geraldo Rivera.

Seriously, you people are freaking nuts.

Yup... you got "everything"...so much, one doesn't even have to get off the couch and explore the true reality of life. Yes... this is the power of television. We're given reality as chosen by the powerful elites that control 99% of our lives. They want us to be well behaved and on the overweight side so the masses don't rise up to overthrow the system. You got it all with TV. No need for anything else in life. Yes, all of those experiences, well, forget about going there, it all comes to you on the big home theater screen! No need to travel, we bring it to you in the comfort of your home. Oh yes, TV, how can we go wrong. Explore from our armchairs. Who needs 1,385 channels? Oh, well, us. The more the merrier. We got a channel for every facet and aspect of life! In fact, pretty soon, we're gonna be our own TV channel! We'll be able to upload our lives via direct connection to our heads into our TV set so others can watch everything about us. Bring it on, brave new world, bring it on.

and Merry Christmas everyone! ho ho ho. If you see any Criterions under your trees, enjoy!

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by jw007

Yup... you got "everything"...so much, one doesn't even have to get off the couch and explore the true reality of life. Yes... this is the power of television. We're given reality as chosen by the powerful elites that control 99% of our lives. They want us to be well behaved and on the overweight side so the masses don't rise up to overthrow the system. You got it all with TV. No need for anything else in life. Yes, all of those experiences, well, forget about going there, it all comes to you on the big home theater screen! No need to travel, we bring it to you in the comfort of your home. Oh yes, TV, how can we go wrong. Explore from our armchairs. Who needs 1,385 channels? Oh, well, us. The more the merrier. We got a channel for every facet and aspect of life! In fact, pretty soon, we're gonna be our own TV channel! We'll be able to upload our lives via direct connection to our heads into our TV set so others can watch everything about us. Bring it on, brave new world, bring it on.

and Merry Christmas everyone! ho ho ho. If you see any Criterions under your trees, enjoy!

To be fair, all of that is even MORE true sitting at your desk in front of your computer, with Internet access.

[jw007]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

To be fair, all of that is even MORE true sitting at your desk in front of your computer, with Internet access.

But even more true is if a person has combined their TVs and computers into one cohesive unit, which has happened with Youtube, Hulu and Netflix. Of course the computer and TV have not fully merged as prophesied from ancient times (pre 21st century), but it still may happen!

[Marlow27]

Originally Posted by jw007

Yup... you got "everything"...so much, one doesn't even have to get off the couch and explore the true reality of life. Yes... this is the power of television. We're given reality as chosen by the powerful elites that control 99% of our lives. They want us to be well behaved and on the overweight side so the masses don't rise up to overthrow the system. You got it all with TV. No need for anything else in life. Yes, all of those experiences, well, forget about going there, it all comes to you on the big home theater screen! No need to travel, we bring it to you in the comfort of your home. Oh yes, TV, how can we go wrong. Explore from our armchairs. Who needs 1,385 channels? Oh, well, us. The more the merrier. We got a channel for every facet and aspect of life! In fact, pretty soon, we're gonna be our own TV channel! We'll be able to upload our lives via direct connection to our heads into our TV set so others can watch everything about us. Bring it on, brave new world, bring it on.

The problem with these sort of posts is that I find them so unbelievably ridiculous and immature in mindset, that there's no real response to it. Apologies if this offends you, but for goodness sake, 'true reality of life'…come onnnnn.

Anyway, there's plenty of people around who incorporate TV into their life as they would any other hobby, and still live active, enjoyable lives with lot's of variety. I'd also hope that people who are passionate about great filmmaking don't deprive themselves of some of the great art that tv has produced i.e. The Sopranos, Deadwood, Twilight Zone, and a whole bunch of others.

[oildude]

Originally Posted by jw007

Yup... you got "everything"...so much, one doesn't even have to get off the couch and explore the true reality of life. Yes... this is the power of television. We're given reality as chosen by the powerful elites that control 99% of our lives. They want us to be well behaved and on the overweight side so the masses don't rise up to overthrow the system. You got it all with TV. No need for anything else in life. Yes, all of those experiences, well, forget about going there, it all comes to you on the big home theater screen! No need to travel, we bring it to you in the comfort of your home. Oh yes, TV, how can we go wrong. Explore from our armchairs. Who needs 1,385 channels? Oh, well, us. The more the merrier. We got a channel for every facet and aspect of life! In fact, pretty soon, we're gonna be our own TV channel! We'll be able to upload our lives via direct connection to our heads into our TV set so others can watch everything about us. Bring it on, brave new world, bring it on.

12 Monkeys (4/10) Movie CLIP - Institutionalized With Jeffrey (1995) HD - YouTube

[Cat III]

If you like The Big Chill, I recommend you check out the Korean film, Sunny. It surprised me how much I ended up loving that movie. It's premise, a woman reuniting with her high school friends, sounded so lame to me. The only reason I watched it in the first place was because it was one of CJ Entertainment's LE releases which I was collecting at the time. It's a funny, endearing and emotional experience. Similarly, to what you guys have said about The Big Chill, it also seems to have special significance to people who grew up in a certain generation, that would be those who were teens during the 80s in Korea. The political turmoil is a backdrop for much of the flashbacks. I know little about this history so I'm sure it would resonate more with someone who does, especially if they lived through it. Still, it makes for an interesting story.

(Is bolding the titles of films now SOP in this thread?)

Originally Posted by lordmorpheus72

That's what you just have to do. I still remember being in church youth group and watching the videos that espoused the evils or rock and how they were all trying to get us to not believe, and even kill outselves. Backwards masking, and all the "tricks" they used, made me and my friends laugh. Play it backwards and it says "kill, kill, kill... get the gun," and the best is Stairway, and it's lyrics of "there are two ways, you can go back if you want to..." And of course the album burnings.... I look back and think, good Lord.

I wonder what those who're worried about backmasking would think of the songs in my iPod. Songs like Blunt Force Castration, Torn from the Womb, Battery Acid Enema, Splatterday Night Fever, Nunslaughter, and Burnt to a F**k, to name a few, don't need to be played backward to hear negative messages.

It's not just a problem for metalheads either. I remember getting into an argument at work with a guy who thought Amy Winehouse's music promotes drug use to children. It was clear that he had only ever heard her most popular song and he hadn't paid attention to the lyrics or he would've known better. Even if her music did promote drug use, her life gave the opposite message (the argument took place the day after she died).

Now there's a vocal group of people who shall remain nameless who are floating the idea that our music and movies and video games lead us to be misogynists, racists, and general bigots if not rapists and murderers. The inclination to censor is strong.

Originally Posted by octagon

You people are crazy, TV is freaking awesome.

You got your live sports, you got your cable dramas, you got your premium cable dramas, you got your sitcoms all the way from premium cable down to some surprisingly solid network offerings.

Seriously, you people are freaking nuts.

Two words: Breaking Bad

Also, 30 Rock

Originally Posted by jw007

Yup... you got "everything"...so much, one doesn't even have to get off the couch and explore the true reality of life. Yes... this is the power of television. We're given reality as chosen by the powerful elites that control 99% of our lives. They want us to be well behaved and on the overweight side so the masses don't rise up to overthrow the system. You got it all with TV. No need for anything else in life. Yes, all of those experiences, well, forget about going there, it all comes to you on the big home theater screen! No need to travel, we bring it to you in the comfort of your home. Oh yes, TV, how can we go wrong. Explore from our armchairs. Who needs 1,385 channels? Oh, well, us. The more the merrier. We got a channel for every facet and aspect of life! In fact, pretty soon, we're gonna be our own TV channel! We'll be able to upload our lives via direct connection to our heads into our TV set so others can watch everything about us. Bring it on, brave new world, bring it on.

Between this and your previous post using the term "sheeple", I think you need to lay off the Alex Jones.

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by RojD

I like Brazil so much. How prescient: A government using terrorism to justify its own security overreach.....in 1985, no less. And an out-of-touch wealthy class. It's almost eerie.

Brazil was the entry for me to other work by Gilliam, which I don't think I'd have liked as much if I hadn't connected with his style in that movie. And I think of Tati's Playtime when I think of Brazil though Playtime predated Brazil by 20 years. Both films would appeal to that inner Luddite that lurks in the heart of man.

And I'm a big fan of Wes Anderson but not of Bottle Rocket. At some point, Anderson's love of quirk got wedded to worthwhile content....maybe around The Royal Tenenbaums...but that hadn't happened yet in Bottle Rocket. But let us know what you think.

Brazil does have an eerie sort of foreboding air about it, and I'm sure that was part of his intent. But yes, it was a very well made film, and very political without being in your face. It is a movie that can stand for years to come, and still have meaning in any time. We're not quite to the idealistic culture that good ol' Gene Roddenberry hoped for us.

As for Bottle Rocket.. really enjoyed the film. I've all of his other films so it was cool to watch his first big film now. you can really see where he gets his start and then the progression of his style. I'm looking forward to watching it again.

[Alfredlynch]

Alright Criterion, it's time to release The Brood, The Last Wave and Mulholland Drive!

[The Great Owl]

Esquire Magazine has this list of 75 Movies Every Man Should See. A friend posted this on my Facebook wall earlier, and I had fun going through all of the selections.

The Criterion Collection is represented quite well on the list.

In the comments below the list, somebody helpfully posted all of the titles for people like me who dislike the slideshow interface on websites. I took it upon myself to bold the Criterion titles.

[Show spoiler]In the Heat of the Night
Slap Shot
Iron Man
Jaws
Save the Tiger
12 Angry Men
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Chinatown
The Godfather
Fitzcarraldo
Ghostbusters
Glory
Wall Street
Runaway Train
Rosemary's Baby
North by Northwest
Lone Star
The Good, Bad and Ugly
The Conversation
The Thin Blue Line
Johnny Dangerously
The French Connection
Miller's Crossing
The Great Escape
Dawn of the Dead
Shaun of the Dead
Hate
First Blood
Bottle Rocket
Bad Day at Black Rock
Tootsie
Broadcast News
The Terminator
Shakes the Clown
Dirty Harry
Straw Dogs
Raging Bull
Citizen Kane
The Shining
Fatal Attraction
The Incredibles
Blade Runner
Sling Blade
Giant
Glengarry Glen Ross
Serpico
Down by Law
The Searchers
Do The Right Thing
Gone Baby Gone
The Big Kahuna
Mash
The Verdict
The Warriors
Alien
Stalag 17
Bridge on the River Kwai
The Misfits
Reservoir Dogs
The Maltese Falcon
Dr. No
Cool Hand Luke
The Road Warrior
Patton
True Romance
Run Silent Run Deep
All Quiet on the Western Front
Platoon
Caddyshack
Hud
Blazing Saddles
Three Kings
Paths of Glory
On the Waterfront

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by jw007

Yup... you got "everything"...so much, one doesn't even have to get off the couch and explore the true reality of life. Yes... this is the power of television. We're given reality as chosen by the powerful elites that control 99% of our lives. They want us to be well behaved and on the overweight side so the masses don't rise up to overthrow the system. You got it all with TV. No need for anything else in life. Yes, all of those experiences, well, forget about going there, it all comes to you on the big home theater screen! No need to travel, we bring it to you in the comfort of your home. Oh yes, TV, how can we go wrong. Explore from our armchairs. Who needs 1,385 channels? Oh, well, us. The more the merrier. We got a channel for every facet and aspect of life! In fact, pretty soon, we're gonna be our own TV channel! We'll be able to upload our lives via direct connection to our heads into our TV set so others can watch everything about us. Bring it on, brave new world, bring it on.

I'd like to think that my ultrarunning hobby balances out my propensity to watch a ton of Blu-rays and to spend a lot of time surfing the web. If I run 20 miles or more on a trail in the woods with friends on a rainy weekend morning in December, then I do not feel bad about relaxing alone on the sofa with a few movies and a laptop after I'm done. My new job also keeps me on my feet a lot more while I'm performing environmental inspections on construction sites up in the mountains, so a good movie on a weeknight is often just what the doctor ordered.

I love being outdoors and seeing the world the way that God meant for me to see it, but I also love me some good movies.

It's a scary world out there, anyway. Watch Letter Never Sent, and you'll know what I mean. When I'm inside watching a Blu-ray on my television, the chance that I'll burn to death in a forest fire or freeze to death on a Siberian plain is roughly zero. There's something to be said for that.

[belcherman]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

Esquire Magazine has this list of 75 Movies Every Man Should See. A friend posted this on my Facebook wall earlier, and I had fun going through all of the selections.

The Criterion Collection is represented quite well on the list.

In the comments below the list, somebody helpfully posted all of the titles for people like me who dislike the slideshow interface on websites. I took it upon myself to bold the Criterion titles.

[Show spoiler]In the Heat of the Night
Slap Shot
Iron Man
Jaws
Save the Tiger
12 Angry Men
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Chinatown
The Godfather
Fitzcarraldo
Ghostbusters
Glory
Wall Street
Runaway Train
Rosemary's Baby
North by Northwest
Lone Star
The Good, Bad and Ugly
The Conversation
The Thin Blue Line
Johnny Dangerously
The French Connection
Miller's Crossing
The Great Escape
Dawn of the Dead
Shaun of the Dead
Hate
First Blood
Bottle Rocket
Bad Day at Black Rock
Tootsie
Broadcast News
The Terminator
Shakes the Clown
Dirty Harry
Straw Dogs
Raging Bull
Citizen Kane
The Shining
Fatal Attraction
The Incredibles
Blade Runner
Sling Blade
Giant
Glengarry Glen Ross
Serpico
Down by Law
The Searchers
Do The Right Thing
Gone Baby Gone
The Big Kahuna
Mash
The Verdict
The Warriors
Alien
Stalag 17
Bridge on the River Kwai
The Misfits
Reservoir Dogs
The Maltese Falcon
Dr. No
Cool Hand Luke
The Road Warrior
Patton
True Romance
Run Silent Run Deep
All Quiet on the Western Front
Platoon
Caddyshack
Hud
Blazing Saddles
Three Kings
Paths of Glory
On the Waterfront

Wow, I think I've seen all but 7 or 8 on that list. I never think about Save the Tiger when I think of Jack Lemmon films but it's one of his best performances and would make a great double feature with Glengarry Glen Ross, which features Lemmon's finest dramatic performance, IMO. I'm not sure that any man needs to see Shakes the Clown, but The Wild Bunch should be on that list along with Casablanca and To Kill a Mockingbird. Different takes on what it means to be a man.

Broadcast News is also Criterion.