The Criterion Collection

[belcherman]

FYI: Today's Kindle Daily Deal at Amazon includes The Man Who Fell to Earth by Walter Tevis -- $1.99 for the ebook. Kindle books can be read on Kindle devices (duh!) and also with the free Kindle app for Windows, Android, and iOS.

As an Amazon Prime member, I had some credits saved up from choosing no-rush shipping on some past orders, so I got this ebook for free.

[ShellOilJunior]

Originally Posted by belcherman

FYI: Today's Kindle Daily Deal at Amazon includes The Man Who Fell to Earth by Walter Tevis -- $1.99 for the ebook. Kindle books can be read on Kindle devices (duh!) and also with the free Kindle app for Windows, Android, and iOS.

As an Amazon Prime member, I had some credits saved up from choosing no-rush shipping on some past orders, so I got this ebook for free.

Kindle App on BlackBerry OS 10 works, too.

[eightslicesofpie]

Originally Posted by jmclick

Half-Price Books is based out of Dallas, Texas, and most of their stores are in the Lone Star State. Their flagship store on Northwest Highway is mind-boggling; if you like books, movies, music, and collectibles, it's easy to spend an entire day looking through their stock and still not see everything in the store. I once lucked into a bunch of Criterion DVDs that had just been priced and were on a cart, waiting to be shelved, and greedily snatched up the eight or nine titles I didn't already own for $5.98 each And I can't count how many mint CDs I picked up on clearance for $2.00 apiece.

I don't miss a lot of things in Texas (people are a different matter), but I do miss Half-Price Books!

Wow, I recently went to that location while visiting Dallas and had no idea it was the flagship store. Makes sense why it was so huge haha

[BAMJoe]

Are there new extras being added for Five Easy Pieces or is it just a reprint of the current version?

[captveg]

Originally Posted by BAMJoe

Are there new extras being added for Five Easy Pieces or is it just a reprint of the current version?

It's essentially the same disc, but a bonus doc that was on the Head disc previously is being added to it.

[joie]

Aren't subtitles a problem? Shouldn't Criterion offer an English dub for foreign language releases? Wouldn't it give them some experience finding and directing voice actors?

The problem with sub's, no matter how fast you read, is that you may glance away from whatever area of the image you've focused on to read the text, unless you can claim that your peripheral vision is as good as your central vision. Some people may continually focus on the subtitle area and miss what was intended to be the focus of the frame and was, intentionally, where the camera was focused.

I believe that in France, during Truffaut's and Godard's prime, people didn't watch subtitled American films. They were shown dubbed films and obviously appreciated many of them. "The Adventures if Adele Blanc-Sec" is a good example of a French film with an English dub, which allows an English, non-French, speaker to fully enjoy the film's visuals.

edit: I mean a dub in addition to the original audio. Someone famous must have once said, "Films are made to be seen, not read."

[tama]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Sullivan’s Travels release.

I just finished watching the film. The release uses as a foundation the same pre-existing master that was accessed for the overseas release. (I believe it comes via Universal). However, there appears to be some additional cleanup work done on the Criterion release. I will finish the supplemental features in the morning and we will post our review.

Have a great Thursday everyone

Pro-B

Can't wait. Sounds promising.

[shadedpain4]

Originally Posted by joie

Aren't subtitles a problem? Shouldn't Criterion offer an English dub for foreign language releases? Wouldn't it give them some experience finding and directing voice actors?

The problem with sub's, no matter how fast you read, is that you may glance away from whatever area of the image you've focused on to read the text, unless you can claim that your peripheral vision is as good as your central vision. Some people may continually focus on the subtitle area and miss what was intended to be the focus of the frame and was, intentionally, where the camera was focused.

I believe that in France, during Truffaut's and Godard's prime, people didn't watch subtitled American films. They were shown dubbed films and obviously appreciated many of them. "The Adventures if Adele Blanc-Sec" is a good example of a French film with an English dub, which allows an English, non-French, speaker to fully enjoy the film's visuals.

As usual, I can never tell if Joie's posts are serious, but just in case: No. No to all of that.

I would much rather miss tiny visual fragments here and there than miss the entire intended audio of the film in regards to the dialogue.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by joie

Aren't subtitles a problem? Shouldn't Criterion offer an English dub for foreign language releases? Wouldn't it give them some experience finding and directing voice actors?

The problem with sub's, no matter how fast you read, is that you may glance away from whatever area of the image you've focused on to read the text, unless you can claim that your peripheral vision is as good as your central vision. Some people may continually focus on the subtitle area and miss what was intended to be the focus of the frame and was, intentionally, where the camera was focused.

I believe that in France, during Truffaut's and Godard's prime, people didn't watch subtitled American films. They were shown dubbed films and obviously appreciated many of them. "The Adventures if Adele Blanc-Sec" is a good example of a French film with an English dub, which allows an English, non-French, speaker to fully enjoy the film's visuals.

Ewwww. Ick.

I don't mind the English dubs Disney's made for the Studio Ghibli films -- and in general I can deal with English dubs for any animated film -- but I could die happy if I never had to hear a dubbed dialogue track for the rest of my life.

I can think of at least one instance in which the distraction of reading the subtitles pulling your attention away from what's going on in the scene actually worked in one's favor. It's the "bicycle and tree" bit in Tarkovsky's The Sacrifice, for those of you who've seen it.

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by joie

Aren't subtitles a problem? Shouldn't Criterion offer an English dub for foreign language releases? Wouldn't it give them some experience finding and directing voice actors?

The problem with sub's, no matter how fast you read, is that you may glance away from whatever area of the image you've focused on to read the text, unless you can claim that your peripheral vision is as good as your central vision. Some people may continually focus on the subtitle area and miss what was intended to be the focus of the frame and was, intentionally, where the camera was focused.

I believe that in France, during Truffaut's and Godard's prime, people didn't watch subtitled American films. They were shown dubbed films and obviously appreciated many of them. "The Adventures if Adele Blanc-Sec" is a good example of a French film with an English dub, which allows an English, non-French, speaker to fully enjoy the film's visuals.

edit: I mean a dub in addition to the original audio. Someone famous must have once said, "Films are made to be seen, not read."

Unfortunately since there are so few Latin American films in the collection (here we go again, JK ) i have to see practically every film with subtitles or English captions, and that is since i was a kid so i don't notice any problem, i have seen a few films in English without subs in US theaters and i think it's more distracting trying to catch what everyone is saying (like Bane) than reading them, so i don't notice any difference, most films give enough time to read the subtitle part then glance the scene and the peripheral view can fill in the rest, you do require a bit more of attention i guess.

One particularly problematic film i do remember is Sans Soleil since the dialog almost never stops but that is not how a typical film is.

[jmclick]

Originally Posted by joie

Aren't subtitles a problem? Shouldn't Criterion offer an English dub for foreign language releases? Wouldn't it give them some experience finding and directing voice actors?

The problem with sub's, no matter how fast you read, is that you may glance away from whatever area of the image you've focused on to read the text, unless you can claim that your peripheral vision is as good as your central vision. Some people may continually focus on the subtitle area and miss what was intended to be the focus of the frame and was, intentionally, where the camera was focused.

I believe that in France, during Truffaut's and Godard's prime, people didn't watch subtitled American films. They were shown dubbed films and obviously appreciated many of them. "The Adventures if Adele Blanc-Sec" is a good example of a French film with an English dub, which allows an English, non-French, speaker to fully enjoy the film's visuals.

edit: I mean a dub in addition to the original audio. Someone famous must have once said, "Films are made to be seen, not read."

I much prefer reading subtitles to listening to dubbed voices. My attention wanders when an actor's lips don't match what I'm hearing (which is why I also get so distracted when audio and visual elements aren't perfectly synced.)

I have an ability (innate or acquired, I don't know) to read a subtitle and match it to the emotion and meaning conveyed in the actor's natural voice and native language. Dubbing requires me to try to link one actor's voice to another actor's facial expressions and gestures, and for some odd reason, I'm not always very good at that.

That's just me, though, and I expect everyone else is different.

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by joie

Aren't subtitles a problem? Shouldn't Criterion offer an English dub for foreign language releases? Wouldn't it give them some experience finding and directing voice actors?

The problem with sub's, no matter how fast you read, is that you may glance away from whatever area of the image you've focused on to read the text, unless you can claim that your peripheral vision is as good as your central vision. Some people may continually focus on the subtitle area and miss what was intended to be the focus of the frame and was, intentionally, where the camera was focused.

I believe that in France, during Truffaut's and Godard's prime, people didn't watch subtitled American films. They were shown dubbed films and obviously appreciated many of them. "The Adventures if Adele Blanc-Sec" is a good example of a French film with an English dub, which allows an English, non-French, speaker to fully enjoy the film's visuals.

edit: I mean a dub in addition to the original audio. Someone famous must have once said, "Films are made to be seen, not read."

If you've missed something, then watch the film again.

[jw007]

Originally Posted by joie

Aren't subtitles a problem? Shouldn't Criterion offer an English dub for foreign language releases? Wouldn't it give them some experience finding and directing voice actors?

The problem with sub's, no matter how fast you read, is that you may glance away from whatever area of the image you've focused on to read the text, unless you can claim that your peripheral vision is as good as your central vision. Some people may continually focus on the subtitle area and miss what was intended to be the focus of the frame and was, intentionally, where the camera was focused.

I believe that in France, during Truffaut's and Godard's prime, people didn't watch subtitled American films. They were shown dubbed films and obviously appreciated many of them. "The Adventures if Adele Blanc-Sec" is a good example of a French film with an English dub, which allows an English, non-French, speaker to fully enjoy the film's visuals.

edit: I mean a dub in addition to the original audio. Someone famous must have once said, "Films are made to be seen, not read."

I can't think of anything more disingenuous than watching an actor's lips move out of synch with what he's saying. It is not just an immediate turn-off but it takes me completely out of the film experience. It's a cheap way of creating convenience for those who need to understand what's going on. I'd much rather prefer having the original actors dubbed in their own language speaking their parts (as live sound wasn't a viable option in the 60's and 70's in Europe), than having another actor's voice dubbed in English. But then of course I'd rather have live sound and then subtitles instead of dubbing in general.

[Polaroid]

I also find dubbed films lose the emotion, the dubbing actors aren't on the set experiencing it, I saw Martyrs dubbed by accident and hated it, it ruined the film for me and actually made it come across as corny and lame. But when I watch original it was so much better and full of emotion.

I know for anime's they can capture the emotion better without being on a set, but for live action films it just doesn't work for me, and you can tell its dubbed just by the sound of it....

I avoid dubbed films at all costs tbh.

The reason Gasper Noe made Enter The Void in English was actually so the audience wasn't distracted form the visuals... But tbh when I read subtitles I do it so fast I don't actually miss anything on screen.

Dubbing is weird :P

[bwdowiak]

where was all this backup when this same topic came up several months ago and another poster called me a snob for opposing English language dubs?

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

where was all this backup when this same topic came up several months ago and another poster called me a snob for opposing English language dubs?

Maybe we all are , most people seem to prefer Dubs, in Mexico there has been a trend that there are fewer theaters that show the films in their original language, sometimes i can't go see a movie because there are very few options that are not dubbed.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by Polaroid

I also find dubbed films lose the emotion, the dubbing actors aren't on the set experiencing it, I saw Martyrs dubbed by accident and hated it, it ruined the film for me and actually made it come across as corny and lame. But when I watch original it was so much better and full of emotion.

One notable exception is Das Boot, in which all of the major actors dubbed their dialogue into English. The lip synch is still slightly off, but you're getting authentic performances. Back when it was first released in the US, it was distributed in both dubbed and subtitled prints, so you had an option. They were distinguished by title: the subtitled version kept the original title while the dubbed version was titled The Boat.

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by jayembee

One notable exception is Das Boot, in which all of the major actors dubbed their dialogue into English. The lip synch is still slightly off, but you're getting authentic performances. Back when it was first released in the US, it was distributed in both dubbed and subtitled prints, so you had an option. They were distinguished by title: the subtitled version kept the original title while the dubbed version was titled The Boat.

There is also a lot of the Italian films from the 60's, not sure when it ended, while some of them are dubbed with a lot of precision, others sound weird even when they are just re-recording their own Italian language, i guess it was mostly a limitation of the technology they used.

BTW i don't remember even noticing it in Das Boot.

[Polaroid]

Originally Posted by jayembee

One notable exception is Das Boot, in which all of the major actors dubbed their dialogue into English. The lip synch is still slightly off, but you're getting authentic performances. Back when it was first released in the US, it was distributed in both dubbed and subtitled prints, so you had an option. They were distinguished by title: the subtitled version kept the original title while the dubbed version was titled The Boat.

Oh cool thanks! I will check this out

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

where was all this backup when this same topic came up several months ago and another poster called me a snob for opposing English language dubs?

I just had this discussion on another thread. I personally don't think anybody is a snob for PREFERRING subtitles over dubs, for whatever reason, however, there has always seemed to be a general air of snobbery by subtitle lovers towards those who prefer watching films dubbed, as if watching subtitled films are more "pure". No matter what though, it all boils down to the fact that if you are unable to understand the language(s) being spoken in the film and have to rely on somebody else's interpretation, whether it be dubs or subtitles, it's still a compromise and often the subs are just as inaccurate as dubs.