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Old 12-11-2016, 07:39 PM   #157581
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I actually think "Ride the Pink Horse" is a very distinct film noir given its Southwestern setting and characters. I'm a big fan of it. I think it would be considered an all-time classic if it starred an actor the caliber of Bogart, Robert Ryan, Lancaster, or someone like that. Robert Montgomery is pretty good in the film, but not the caliber of the actors who typically starred in the top-shelf noirs.
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Has anyone watched Black Girl before? I'm curious about it and wonder if its current pre-order price is worth what I'll experience in its hour run.
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I actually think "Ride the Pink Horse" is a very distinct film noir given its Southwestern setting and characters. I'm a big fan of it. I think it would be considered an all-time classic if it starred an actor the caliber of Bogart, Robert Ryan, Lancaster, or someone like that. Robert Montgomery is pretty good in the film, but not the caliber of the actors who typically starred in the top-shelf noirs.
I would add Robert Mitchum and Sterling Hayden to that list.
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Old 12-11-2016, 09:22 PM   #157585
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Ride The Pink Horse is great yes?

Or just pretty good?

Or just average noir?
Here is the user review I wrote for Ride the Pink Horse almost two years ago. For me, Ride the Pink Horse has been one of the best discoveries I have made in the Criterion Collection:



OK, I love film noir, but I have to confess that prior to Criterion's announcement of Ride the Pink Horse I had never heard of it. Shame on me. As of last night, that mistake has been remedied. There is a line of dialogue early on where the moll of a New Mexican gangster, referring to the anti-hero lead character played by Robert Montgomery, says "I'm afraid that Mr. Gagin cannot be seduced". I can attest that the same assessment does not apply to this film. Ride the Pink Horse seduces, wraps itself around you, pulls you in, and does not let you go. Welcome to film noir done Southwestern style, and I am here to tell you, amigos, this dark little tale of money, murder, and mayhem, as well as a haunted man accidentally rediscovering his humanity, is muy muy bueno.

We know we are in for a different noir experience right from the opening credits, when we see a bus approaching the camera along a panoramic New Mexican highway to the uplifting strains of Latin-infused orchestral music. Robert Montgomery does double duty here as star and director, and he handles both roles superbly. Prior to this film, I only knew Montgomery as the father of Elizabeth Montgomery, future star of classic 1960’s sitcom Bewitched. Here, Montgomery plays a disillusioned tough-as-nails WWII vet named Lucky Gagin on a mission to find a New Mexico gang lord named Frank Hugo, an oddity of a mob boss with a hearing aide and a gift for gab. What exactly that mission is doesn’t become clear until later in the film. The bus deposits Gagin in a city named San Pablo (a fictional name representing Santa Fe). The air surrounding him is electric, filled with music and laughter as hordes of tourists flock the streets to celebrate the annual Fiesta, all of which appears lost on Gagin.





Gagin comes out of nowhere and remains a mystery, what we see is what we get…..a lot of anger and rude behavior with little indication of his background, where he came from or where he is going. All we know is that he had a war buddy best friend who is now dead, and that somehow Hugo is involved. As the plot unfolds, he comes into contact with the local New Mexican culture and his softer side begins to appear. He is befriended by Pancho, the poor operator of an antique carousel, played outstandingly by Thomas Gomez whose performance in this role earned him the first ever Oscar nomination for a Hispanic American. Another local who crosses paths with Gagin and proves integral to the story is a girl named Pila (an 18-year old Wanda Hendrix, future wife of Audie Murphy). Pila is a Native American from a pueblo many miles away who has recently moved to San Pablo and is experiencing the big city for the first time. As it turns out, this dichotomy of Gagin’s character - one foot in the world of the Anglos where gangsters, dreams of money as the ticket to the good life, and the increasing threat of violence are ever present, and the easy-going culture of New Mexican Hispanics and Native Americans where, as movingly explained by Pancho, friendship is more important than money and that as long as a man has his pride and strong back there is no shame in being poor – becomes one of the central themes of the film.





Because the viewer is never sure where things will go, the story creates the suspense that anything can happen at any moment. The bus in the opening scene could be taking Gagin on a road to rebirth and redemption that isn’t clearly marked, either a ticket to hell or a way out that may be just beyond reach. Gagin is damn tough, as events will reveal, but is that enough? Is he in over his head? Is he a walking corpse and just doesn’t know it? What is the meaning of a check he places in a bus station locker at the beginning of the film? Is Hugo’s moll Marjorie a kept woman looking for a way out through Gagin? And what does it mean for Pila, who attaches herself to Gagin like a lost puppy and in one of the film’s eerie moments gives him a talisman to protect him because she has had a vision of his pale dead face.





Ride the Pink Horse delivers the goods. It is as multi-layered and as dark and deadly as any classic noir. Yet there is something hopeful in its fabric like the effigy of the god of bad luck burned at the climax of the Fiesta. What makes the film so watchable is how it doesn’t play to expectations. Just when we think we understand what is about to happen, it goes in unexpected directions. There is a lot of symbolism in the story, represented most obviously by the fairy tale world of Pancho’s old carousel going round and round with its assortment of multi-colored horses, one of which is pink (or so we are told; it is a black and white film after all). There is a key scene when, after a night of drinking in a local saloon, Gagin convinces Pancho to open his carousel after-hours so that Pila can experience a childhood thrill for the first time in her life. The meaning of this small kindness represents something deeper that only becomes clear later. Gagin is experiencing new things too. We learn that he suffers from post-traumatic stress from years spent fighting in the steaming jungles of the South Pacific, that he still carries the war in him and is doing battle with himself as much as with the outside world, and that cervezas and tequilas with friendly locals can lead an angry man down paths he never thought for himself to travel.





As usual, Criterion has done a masterful job with the transfer of a black and white film that, for many years, was apparently not easy to find. The cinematography by Russell Metty is outstandingly stylish and evocative, with Gagin often shot over-the-shoulder and some scenes done in one long continuous take that accentuates the menace of the moment. In one chilling scene, a brutal beating is witnessed from the point of view of children riding the carousel; the viewer is therefore a trapped witness, circling repeatedly past the violence and unable to get off. If the name Russell Metty doesn’t ring any bells, then a partial sampling of his many other films will give you some idea of what to expect here, films like Touch of Evil, Magnificent Obsession, Written in the Wind, Arch of Triumph, Spartacus, and The Misfits.

And what great noir would be complete without some chewy dialogue so important to driving the narrative. Ride the Pink Horse has lots of that. Gagin delivers a particularly juicy monologue on the evils of women wearing diamonds, who are man-traps and have “a dead fish where her heart ought to be”. I could watch this film over and over just to relish the well written screenplay and roll around in all that dialogue like a man on a bed full of money. Wearing a fedora, of course. As it should be.

Note: all images above are taken from the internet and not the actual disc. The transfer is amazing, rich, and beautiful.

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Old 12-11-2016, 09:34 PM   #157586
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I'll ride oildude's coattail, and share my own User Review of Ride the Pink Horse...

Robert Montgomery's 1947 film noir, Ride the Pink Horse, was released only a few months after his fascinating POV-style take on Raymond Chandler's Lady in the Lake, and, although it employs more conventional visual techniques than that previous film for the most part, it is still graced with innovative flourishes that, thankfully, serve to accentuate the storytelling instead of merely calling attention to themselves. The movie opens with a three-plus minute tracking shot that observes Lucky Gagin, played by Montgomery himself, stepping off of a bus in San Pablo, New Mexico, walking into the bus station, hiding a gun under his coat, placing an item in a locker, and coldly asking a local for directions to the La Fonda Hotel. This sequence, which seems almost effortless in its narrative efficiency and which also predates the amazing tracking sequence that would open Orson Welles's Touch of Evil over a decade later, conveys volumes of exposition to show Gagin as a stranger who does not grasp the cultural vibe of a strange land, but is nonetheless heading confidently into possible danger for which he may or may not be prepared. Later in the film, the camera eye rotates along with children on a merry-go-round as a man is being beaten within an inch of his life just mere feet away, as if to symbolize how we all more through the world while atrocities and crimes happen just outside of our path.

On visual and thematic terms, I would place Ride the Pink Horse squarely into classic film noir territory. We observe the trauma and world-weariness of a World War II veteran as he struggles to make his way in the world amid the alienating economic atmosphere of postwar America. We see villains, heroes, and antiheroes alike scrambling, in the style of The Maltese Falcon (1941), for a plot "MacGuffin" in the form of a canceled check. We have a sexy femme fatale, played by Andrea King, who brilliantly exudes ambiguous character intentions as she watches an act of violence. In ways that elicit comparisons to other classic-era noir movies like Border Incident (1949), we see the greed of postwar America shown in harsh contrast to more relaxed, and possibly wiser, mindsets of foreign cultures. Most of all, we have fedoras aplenty, most prominently shown in rear camera views of Montgomery himself that recall the sporadic mirror reveals of his Philip Marlowe in Lady in the Lake.

It would be a disservice to a prospective viewer to discuss the ways that Ride the Pink Horse strays from the noir aesthetic, but I love how this film veers in risky directions and never misses a step. The character of Pancho, played by the underrated Thomas Gomez, who played John Garfield's brother in another classic noir, Force of Evil (1948), shines as his true nature is revealed through the course of the film. The beautiful teenager, Pila, played by Wanda Hendrix, serves as a barometer to gauge Gagin's humanity in this offbeat setting. A final interaction in the film makes me want to cheer out loud, because a key relationship that might have been given a schmaltzy resolution in a lesser movie is handled with the utmost integrity and intelligence.

This Criterion Blu-ray looks great, and the level of detail in this black-and-white film allows us to appreciate the tracking shots and subtle visuals in terms of how they guide us through the story. The audio quality is spot-on, and this is most evident during sequences that take place while a crowded fiesta is going on in the background.

A 20-minute supplementary interview with Imogen Sara Smith, author of In Lonely Places: Film Beyond the City, is one of the most enjoyable Criterion extras in recent memory, thanks in no small part to the fact that so many incredible classic-era noir movies are referenced by still shots. A commentary track by Alain Silver and James Ursini, who co-wrote The Film Noir Encyclopedia, also goes a long way toward noting this movie's place in the genre.

Ride the Pink Horse is a cool film, through and through, and it's a pleasant surprise for this enthusiast of classic noir. I give it high marks across the board.
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Speaking of films noir...

Those of you who enjoy the Criterion Blu-ray of In a Lonely Place should seek out the new 2016 film, Frank & Lola, which stars Michael Shannon and Imogen Poots.

Here's my review from having seen it at the theater yesterday...

Frank & Lola premiered at this year's Sundance Film Festival, and several critics have compared it to classic film noir cinema. Since film noir is my favorite movie genre, my decision to check out this neo-noir at the theater down the street today was an easy one. Michael Shannon (Take Shelter, Man of Steel) plays Frank, a short-tempered and taciturn chef who is working high-end restaurants in Las Vegas when he falls in love with Lola, an aspiring fashion designer played by the remarkably beautiful Imogen Poots (Green Room, Fright Night, Roadies television series). Frank's insecurities about the age gap in their relationship come to a head when Lola reveals that she cheated on him and that she was sexually abused while she was living in France. When Frank travels to Paris to audition for a prestigious chef position, he investigates Lola's past and risks danger by tracking down her ex-lover, who is portrayed with an uneasy menace by Michael Nyqvist (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo). This movie throws a few unpredictable and disturbing curveballs, but the dark aspects of the story come not from the violence, but from the notion that we can often never really know the people who walk into our lives. I was reminded several times of the 1950 Humphrey Bogart film noir, In a Lonely Place, mainly because Michael Shannon's volatile screen presence is similar to that of Bogart's. Imogen Poots, in turn, makes for quite a femme fatale. Frank & Lola is not for everyone, but I thoroughly enjoyed how it plays out in a quietly unnerving way.
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Old 12-11-2016, 10:43 PM   #157588
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To all region-free fans:

zavvi.com is currently having a "3 for 20 pounds" sale. A lot of BFI products are included. For 40 pounds, I purchased:

Battle Royale Blu-ray (Arrow)
Deep End Blu-ray (BFI)
A Farewell to Arms Blu-ray (BFI)
Late Spring Blu-ray (BFI, which contains the only English-friendly blu-ray release of Ozu's The Only Son)
The Phantom of the Opera (1925) Blu-ray (BFI)
The Soviet Influence: From Turksib to Night Mail Blu-ray (BFI)

For a grand total of 40.99 pounds (with shipping,) and with today's pound to dollar conversion rate in American dollars, it came out to $51.61.

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Ride The Pink Horse is great yes?

Or just pretty good?

Or just average noir?

And please no sophomoric jokes about the title.

...let's try to be mature about this.
Ray, I would add my detailed thoughts but others have said much more than i would have.

I bought it during the last 50% off sale to watch during Noirvember. I enjoyed it as a film noir. The Southwestern setting was an interesting change of pace. As others have said I'm not sure how much I will rewatch. Also, I enjoyed the supplemental features.
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I can't wait for The Asphalt Jungle on Tuesday. Blind buy for me but I know I'll love it.
Asphalt Jungle is one of my favorite movies. I found out about it while taking a film course and film noir was the genre we were working on. I was hooked after first viewing and once it was announced on Criterion I jumped on Oprah's couch shouting "I love Criterion!"
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Asphalt Jungle is one of my favorite movies. I found out about it while taking a film course and film noir was the genre we were working on. I was hooked after first viewing and once it was announced on Criterion I jumped on Oprah's couch shouting "I love Criterion!"
Haha nice! Yeah I'm really stoked to see it. I can't remember the last time I was so sure I was going to love a movie before seeing it.
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Has anyone watched Black Girl before? I'm curious about it and wonder if its current pre-order price is worth what I'll experience in its hour run.
It's a good film but I think you can wait for a sale. I don't plan to buy it because...to tie in the ongoing conversation about rewatching...I'm not going to watch it a bunch.

Other topic: I constantly struggle with buying/owning movies these days. As I get older, I don't have time to watch as many as I used to and I find less desire to rewatch a lot of films that in the past I'd have been more enthused about. So what to do? I'd also like to get rid of stuff to save space. But on the other hand, I've already spent the money on them and if I can't recoop costs enough, does it "pay" to get rid of it? Might as well just keep it. I find this a bigger dilemma with DVDs. And then there is the price comparision issue--cost for 2 people to see a movie in the theater is over $20 so it's cheaper or just as cheap to buy the damn disc when it comes out.

Now we are about to get rid of cable and go the streaming route. I'll be getting Filmstruck and anticipate that model may mostly satisfy my needs sufficiently. The old me would find that sad but I think I've accepted it.
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Has anyone watched Black Girl before? I'm curious about it and wonder if its current pre-order price is worth what I'll experience in its hour run.
It's a good film. Add in the short which works nicely when viewed before the feature and the program runs around 90 minutes. Plus, there's a Sembene documentary included.

I'd recommend it for anyone that likes world cinema and is curious about African cinema made by an African (Sembene). Tough for me to gauge replay value as I've only seen it once.
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The really warm hues are atrocious, but thankfully that's not the deciding factor in buying this set.
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