CES January 5-10, 2020 What happens in Las Vegas will be broadcast World Wide

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Dolby Vision IQ sounds cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHrG...ature=youtu.be

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So it's just an ambient light sensor? I turn that shit off on my TV for a reason

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, figuring out the ambient adaptive display management after getting the information from the sensors was no small feat.
Anyway, since giving you guys the initial heads-up to the project almost a couple of years ago – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14993439

I think it’s a good feature to offer for the general user who may be unaware or unable to compensate for a proper viewing environment – Table 3 of the BT. 2100 hyperlink here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...0#post17221320
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[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

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Eh. Screens can't go any brighter than, well, however bright they can get (backlights are usually maxed out in HDR mode on most LCD sets to provide dat absolute brightness HDR headroom) and as the chief complaint about HDR is the perpetual cry of "it's too dark!" I don't see how this is going to help, apart from further changing the perception of what the creative intent is by, say, boosting the APL much higher than it actually should be. Still, Dobly has been rocking day and night modes on many TVs (which came as a surprise to one of our resident Dobly fanboys) so this is just the next step in that chain. But I only watch HDR in the dark so these kinds of practicalities are lost on me.

[MechaGodzilla]

Ah, so the Z8H does have X-Wide Angle after all. Basically an 8K Z9F, then, as some of us guessed it might be.

Seems X-Wide Angle is here to stay on Sony's high-end LCDs. I myself have no strong opinions on it either way, as I haven't experienced it for myself.

Also, it seems they're basically bringing back 2017's favorite the X900E with the X900H? X1 processor, confirmed lower peak brightness than X900F/950G/950H, no X-Wide Angle... obviously with differences, but it's looking like it'll have very similar performance overall. Whatever it is, it's nice to see them introduce cheaper FALD sets.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh. Screens can't go any brighter than, well, however bright they can get (backlights are usually maxed out in HDR mode on most LCD sets to provide dat absolute brightness HDR headroom) and as the chief complaint about HDR is the perpetual cry of "it's too dark!" I don't see how this is going to help, apart from further changing the perception of what the creative intent is by, say, boosting the APL much higher than it actually should be. Still, Dobly has been rocking day and night modes on many TVs (which came as a surprise to one of our resident Dobly fanboys) so this is just the next step in that chain.

It’s a big step forward to be able to do it properly in real time in varying conditions. And not only LG, but Panasonic is also on the Dolby Vision IQ bandwagon for that matter.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But I only watch HDR in the dark so these kinds of practicalities are lost on me.

Geoff, like I said on the last page, the average consumer is not as video savvy as you are and they don’t strictly watch PQ in a 5 nits or less surround environment. A main benefit of DV IQ is a bit similar to how ‘filmmaker mode’ should help the general PQ user population, but not necessarily you, as although with excellent intentions by giving a heads-up to better viewing by Tom and Christopher prior to the rollout of the ‘filmmaker mode’ –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://twitter.com/TomCruise/status...71781757616128
Exclusive - Bringing y’all more detail to the background of Tom and Christopher's public service announcement –

even for those consumers who had the opportunity to watch their PSA, I’m not sure given the different nomenclature with different brands in their menus that the general population had the wherewithal or motivation to figure out how to manually change things with their particular televisions.

Plus, even professional scientific studies (by the IRT and EBU) have shown that the better motion interpolation solutions offered by consumer TV manufacturers can be very effective in reducing motion blur (although not as good as native high fps capture and delivery),

so do you think Joe and Jane6Pack are really going to go thru the inconvenience (even if they remember to), after watching a movie then to go back into their TV menus and turn video interpolation back on again for when they next watch a football or basketball, etc. game? Hell, after a hard day’s work or simply relaxing over the weekend the last thing most people want to do is manually tweak their TVs with all the confusing nomenclature and freakin buttons.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It’s a big step forward to be able to do it properly in real time in varying conditions. And not only LG, but Panasonic is also on the Dolby Vision IQ bandwagon for that matter.

Geoff, like I said on the last page, the average consumer is not as video savvy as you are and they don’t strictly watch PQ in a 5 nits or less surround environment. A main benefit of DV IQ is a bit similar to how ‘filmmaker mode’ should help the general PQ user population, but not necessarily you, as although with excellent intentions by giving a heads-up to better viewing by Tom and Christopher prior to the rollout of the ‘filmmaker mode’ –

even for those consumers who had the opportunity to watch their PSA, I’m not sure given the different nomenclature with different brands in their menus that the general population had the wherewithal or motivation to figure out how to manually change things with their particular televisions.

Plus, even professional scientific studies (by the IRT and EBU) have shown that the better motion interpolation solutions offered by consumer TV manufacturers can be very effective in reducing motion blur (although not as good as native high fps capture and delivery),

so do you think Joe and Jane6Pack are really going to go thru the inconvenience (even if they remember to), after watching a movie then to go back into their TV menus and turn video interpolation back on again for when they next watch a football or basketball, etc. game? Hell, after a hard day’s work or simply relaxing over the weekend the last thing most people want to do is manually tweak their TVs with all the confusing nomenclature and freakin buttons.

Funny thing is though Mr P I can see the wider public wondering what all the fuss was about re: Filmmaker Mode. It'll make their pictures darker, dimmer with less saturation and warmer colour temp than they're used to, as well as making it look all blurry now that the interpolation has been turned off and grainier now that the noise reduction has been turned off.

We like to think that we know best for people but if there's one thing I've learned from selling TVs to the public for so long it's that they don't want to ****ing know what it should look like. They want everything to 'pop' and to look smooth as buttah with no jerky motion, none of that nasty grain stuff and definitely no black bars, tastes which have been resurrected with a vengeance in the 4K era. Those kinds of folks are even more prevalent on here than we might think, they just don't crow about their choices.

I'm not saying that FM is a bad thing, it's a wonderful thing, but I think it's come FAR too late in proceedings to really change anything, the old adage about leading horsies (or poles) to water is going to apply here. Some people will become converts once they get used to not having the image jacked up to high heaven, but most average joes/janes will stick with it for about five minutes and then turn it back to Vivid mode in disgust.

[JustinZed]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

We like to think that we know best for people but if there's one thing I've learned from selling TVs to the public for so long it's that they don't want to ****ing know what it should look like.

The cable companies reinforce this problem. I had a cable tech install a cable box, and he set the resolution on the box to 720p (instead of 1080i) and to zoom and stretch everything to fill the screen. I asked him about it, and he said that he is required to set it up that way so that people don't have problems and complain.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Funny thing is though Mr P I can see the wider public wondering what all the fuss was about re: Filmmaker Mode. It'll make their pictures darker, dimmer with less saturation and warmer colour temp than they're used to, as well as making it look all blurry now that the interpolation has been turned off and grainier now that the noise reduction has been turned off.....

Well, all we can hope for is the best. It likely took years for some folks to learn and abide by the benefit(s) of healthy eating. Meanwhile, for the sake of the development teams behind filmmaker mode and for that matter the color scientist guys and gals of the development teams behind Dolby Vision IQ (ambient light compensation functions and more, without boring you with the precise mathematical equations)

as Rene best said it here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkY3k3HfiIw#t=1m

[MerrickG]

MicroLED is the dream tech for TVs, in that it should have all of the advantages of OLED and none of the concerns. A lot of people have misconceptions that MicroLED is right around the corner and you can buy it "soon." Sorry to tell you this, but that is false and it will be several years before it reaches what OLEDs are now going for. Most of that is pure ignorance and some of it is confusing the tech with MiniLED, which IMO should have been out years ago. Despite having a similar name, many people simply do not understand how very different and more complicated MicroLED is vs. regular LED. This article should give you some good education. This biggest issue, as I have stated many times, is getting the size down to a consumer level having to cram 3 RGB LEDs into 1 pixel is a pretty challenging task. While a MiniLED has between 500 - 1500 LEDs, a 4K MicroLED would have around 25 million. That's currently doable if you want a 100+ multi-$1000 box display.



Samsung did demo, a 75 inch 4K model and has the huge wall panel. That is a big deal, but offered no details beyond that.





Cnet is not always the most accurate when it comes to explaining tech, but they did a pretty good job on this article. Please read it.

https://www.cnet.com/news/microled-c...irst-line-try/

Robert? Penton? I'd love your (and anyone else) thoughts!

[Scottishguy]

I still think the industry should have started innovating LED tec a long time ago. Instead of hyper focusing on things like 3D, and more resolution.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

I still think the industry should have started innovating LED tec a long time ago. Instead of hyper focusing on things like 3D, and more resolution.

The invention of MicroLED dates back to 2000 and was a very crude version of what we see today. It was a promising tech that was very hard to produce.

Today's form of MicroLED dates to 2011.