HDR Discussion Thread

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The UHD BD has to support 3D...looking to pick one up in March or April.

I would bite the bullet and get an Oppo. It's the best player around.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

The powers that be are playing chess while we gaze at the checker board

You’re catching on.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Ohhh, let's go shopping ! What's our budget... ?

When the camera itself launches…..rental baby –
https://www.keslowcamera.com/

[philochs]

Interview with Joop Talstra, talking about Technicolor/Philips HDR, and how it is definitely still coming to UHD Blu-ray. I presume it will launch next year, since it's an HDMI 2.1 format. HDR on UHD has really gone off the rails. 4 separate formats, what a pain.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rco9scr7ul..._Edit.mp3?dl=0

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by philochs

Interview with Joop Talstra, talking about Technicolor/Philips HDR, and how it is definitely still coming to UHD Blu-ray. I presume it will launch next year, since it's an HDMI 2.1 format. HDR on UHD has really gone off the rails. 4 separate formats, what a pain.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rco9scr7ul..._Edit.mp3?dl=0

The industry has gone insane.

[LordoftheRings]

...And Baby Driver I bet it'll get an Oscar @ the Academy. ...And Get Out too.
...Ebbing, Missouri.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by philochs

Interview with Joop Talstra, talking about Technicolor/Philips HDR, and how it is definitely still coming to UHD Blu-ray. I presume it will launch next year, since it's an HDMI 2.1 format. HDR on UHD has really gone off the rails. 4 separate formats, what a pain.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rco9scr7ul..._Edit.mp3?dl=0

Guys, don’t ever forget - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post13404981

I can just see some reporters now scrambling as to how they discovered the news.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

The industry has gone insane.

Insaner perhaps, but don't forget that the first iteration of Philips' HDR was actually in the UHD Blu spec as an optional format from the start.

Originally Posted by philochs

Interview with Joop Talstra, talking about Technicolor/Philips HDR, and how it is definitely still coming to UHD Blu-ray. I presume it will launch next year, since it's an HDMI 2.1 format. HDR on UHD has really gone off the rails. 4 separate formats, what a pain.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rco9scr7ul..._Edit.mp3?dl=0

4 separate formats that will all still have a mandatory static HDR10 version at their core on disc.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Insaner perhaps, but don't forget that the first iteration of Philips' HDR was actually in the UHD Blu spec as an optional format from the start.

Correctomundo :
2.2.3.3.5 Supported HDR technologies
This format defines three types of HDR video formats: BDMV HDR, Dolby Vision and Philips HDR. The BDMV HDR is the HDR video format which is mandatory for player in this specification. The Dolby Vision and Philips HDR are the optional HDR video technologies for players and discs. The Dolby Vision and Philips HDR technologies use metadata that has also been submitted to the SMPTE for consideration.

Something not in the publicly available ^ BD-ROM white paper, nevertheless for the deep divers, I think I posted a copy of the SEI payload Syntax around here sometime after the video coding meeting in San Diego, 2 years past.

Anyway, Dan likes document history with math https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Yg4...bf7W/giphy.gif
of different apps for his Universal thread

, ergo –
http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/...02v010101p.pdf

[Shalashaska]

Is the XF90/X900F expected to be at a similar price as the XE90/X900E?

I can get the 55" XE90 for €1,279 right now (and possibly less in a couple months time). Wonder if it's worth waiting for Dolby Vision, and possibly improved brightness/contrast/colour, on the XF90 though?

[zmarty]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Is there any chance you could persuade/beg them to give back to you the final HDR10+ versions please? It is so frustrating that - even now after something like 15 months - there is not one single HDR10+ demo in the entire world that we can download, put on a USB stick, and test on our TVs.

It would address so many questions: does my TV playback HDR10+ or not; are the rumours that firmware X supports HDR10+ true or not; can I actually see a difference or not; does the TV indicate HDR10+ anywhere in its on-screen "Info banner" displays or not; etc.

All we need is just ONE downloadable HDR10+ demo clip! It's so frustrating that there's not even ONE.

Thanks in advance

I have been looking into this myself. It seems there is an encoder available that I can try. But I don't have a HDR10+ TV. If I manage to create an HDR10+ file next week I will ask you to test it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

...I bet it'll get an Oscar @ the Academy. ...

https://www.oddschecker.com/awards/oscars/best-picture
https://shapeofwater.splashthat.com/

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://www.oddschecker.com/awards/oscars/best-picture
https://shapeofwater.splashthat.com/

Yes but missing sound editing, cinematography, music score, sound effects, visual effects, ...all that essential jazz @ the movies.
___

Extra:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6o6...ature=youtu.be

[Penton-Man]

Accounting update:
Even with some of us being gone to CES in Vegas for several days, this outperforming thread continues to thrive. And, to be fair, since we talk so much (deservably, IMO) about Dolby Vision here, this month we included a forum exclusive deep dive into HDR10+ mastering and such:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post14591914

granted, perhaps a little too much into the zooxanthellae for some? - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...20post14593623
Sorry, gkolb, but in order to be comprehensive, I thought it best to walk folks thru the process step by step.

So anyway, another month, January…… and another 100,000 views accumulated.
Now at 800,000+… https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=206

Onwards to 900,000, although….
I think it might be difficult to maintain this exceptional pace in February due to the Winter Olympics, Super Bowl, and watching plenty of big clashes at the top of the table in the Premier League (having PeterTHX just drooling , I’d imagine)

and of course there’s those of us attending the upcoming HPA who probably will be too preoccupied to read or post regularly, but you never know - Waboman , in the course of future February discussion, we might give a short shout out to Koala bars….
http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/thir...ry?id=52604365

Again, congrats to the viewers and all the contributors (new! and old ) https://forum.blu-ray.com/misc.php?d...osted&t=276605 with their eclectic contributions for making it all such a viewership success in the hundreds of thousands.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

the viewers and all the contributors (new!

Like Ernest R.
On a personal note, I’ve been a longtime fan of what is emblazoned on my T-shirt from back in the day when I raced my very first 100 mile National Enduro (note to Kris D. – on a DT1)




Luckily, to spare me any post event embarrassment from my peers, no photographer was around when later in the race I did one of these - https://www.redbull.tv/video/AP-1RVR...W11/blood-road
with this tune going thru my mind as I was flying thru the air….bike-less, wondering how many toms one really needs -

The Ventures - Wipe Out - YouTube

[LordoftheRings]

_

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Yr...ature=youtu.be

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

those of us attending the upcoming HPA

which will include HDR oriented discussions and presentations such as this -

Black Level Visibility as a Function of Ambient Illumination
One of the key new attributes of HDR imaging and displays is the ability to present many stops of shadow detail, and with the best systems, an absolutely pure black. The display performs at its best in a dark room since no illumination impinges the surface of the display, which would otherwise elevate the black level as a function of the display’s reflectivity. In addition, the viewer perform at their best, in terms of seeing the most shadow detail, when the region surrounding the display is also dark (assuming the field of view occupied by the display is greater than ~35 deg). While there certainly are important applications where a display is viewed in a dark surround, there are also many cases where brighter ambient light levels occur. Knowledgeable viewers know not to have the room illumination aim at the display, but even for those viewers the surround luminance will be increased.

In order to understand the impact of the ambient illumination on contrast, shadow detail visibility, and further to guide ambient compensation algorithms, we performed a psychophysical study to assess the visual system’s ability to see detail as a function of the surround luminance. For the stimuli, we used a Gabor signal (a sinewave modulated by a Gaussian window) in order to probe the visual system’s best capability. For the display, we used a Pulsar display having a black level of 0.005 cd/m^2, but in order to study lower black levels such as occurring in the cinema, we placed a large 1.0 neutral density filter over the display to enable black levels as low 0.0005 cd/m^2. The surround luminances studies ranged from fully dark to 100 cd/m^ 2, and for each of these, thresholds were measured as a function of display mean luminance levels from .001 to 400 cd/m^2. The results are consistent with an existing surround effect visual model, which has basis in the cone photoreceptors. Of course, the results are also useful on their own sans model for pluge design, perceptual display performance assessment and tone-mapping applications.
Scott Daly, Dolby Laboratories

As well as a plethora of Innovation Zone exhibitors, several of which will be showing some aspect(s) of HDR - http://www.hollywoodprofessionalasso...page_id=157130

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

which will include HDR oriented discussions and presentations such as this -

And this –

HDR Flavors
Moderator: Seth Hallen, Pixelogic and HPA
Don Eklund, Sony Pictures Entertainment
Pat Griffis, Dolby Laboratories
Bill Mandel, Samsung
Andy Quested, BBC

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Accounting update:
Even with some of us being gone to CES in Vegas for several days, this outperforming thread continues to thrive. And, to be fair, since we talk so much (deservably, IMO) about Dolby Vision here, this month we included a forum exclusive deep dive into HDR10+ mastering and such:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post14591914

granted, perhaps a little too much into the zooxanthellae for some? - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...20post14593623
Sorry, gkolb, but in order to be comprehensive, I thought it best to walk folks thru the process step by step.

So anyway, another month, January…… and another 100,000 views accumulated.
Now at 800,000+… https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=206

Onwards to 900,000, although….
I think it might be difficult to maintain this exceptional pace in February due to the Winter Olympics, Super Bowl, and watching plenty of big clashes at the top of the table in the Premier League (having PeterTHX just drooling , I’d imagine)

and of course there’s those of us attending the upcoming HPA who probably will be too preoccupied to read or post regularly, but you never know - Waboman , in the course of future February discussion, we might give a short shout out to Koala bars….
http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/thir...ry?id=52604365

Again, congrats to the viewers and all the contributors (new! and old ) https://forum.blu-ray.com/misc.php?d...osted&t=276605 with their eclectic contributions for making it all such a viewership success in the hundreds of thousands.

Lol. Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes the bar eats you. What can I say? The Wabo abides. And imbibes. It's Saturday night and there will be no pit of misery until Sunday morning. Dilly Dilly!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Lol. Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes the bar eats you. What can I say? The Wabo abides. And imbibes. It's Saturday night and there will be no pit of misery until Sunday morning. Dilly Dilly!

Bud Light: Dilly Dilly! - YouTube