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Hobbit was just okay, too much time walking and
[Show spoiler]setting up the movie with the LoTR bits and the dwarf party at Bag End.
The plot is about a group of dwarves traveling to their former homeland with a hobbit, so there's bound to be some, well, traveling.

I loved the dwarf party. It's my favorite part of the book.

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Can someone help me out here? I can't recall the line Galadriel said to Gandalf about "if you need me, call me", or something. Would like to use it as a quote
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The plot is about a group of dwarves traveling to their former homeland with a hobbit, so there's bound to be some, well, traveling.

I loved the dwarf party. It's my favorite part of the book.
Been thinking: Dissliking the LotR movies,but I can't wait to get Hobbit on BD.Think maybe it'll become a (guilty) pleasure.The BD must be reference from what I could see in the cinemas.

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Been thinking: Dissliking the LotR movies,but I can't wait to get Hobbit on BD.Think maybe it'll become a (guilty) pleasure.The BD must be reference from what I could see in the cinemas.
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HOBBIT fell to third place on Christmas, behind LES MIZ and DJANGO. Still made $11 million in a single day, but I think $300 million domestic at this point might be out of reach.
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Hey guys, I have a quick question.

I will be watching The Hobbit tomorrow and I have been going back and forth between watching it in High Frame Rate 3D or just 3D. From those of you who have watched the HFR 3D version, what is it like? I want to know if it would ruin my first experience of the film or not. I love 3D movies if that helps at all, thanks!
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Hey guys, I have a quick question.

I will be watching The Hobbit tomorrow and I have been going back and forth between watching it in High Frame Rate 3D or just 3D. From those of you who have watched the HFR 3D version, what is it like? I want to know if it would ruin my first experience of the film or not. I love 3D movies if that helps at all, thanks!

Well if you LOVE 3D movies then I say go with the HFR. I did and it blew me away.






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Here's my belated review for "An Unexpected Journey". Though you may be surprised to hear it after reading my thoughts, my first viewing actually left me a bit underwhelmed. This review is in light of repeat viewings, which left me with a slightly different impression.

[Show spoiler]The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
Review by John Michael Webster


"All good stories deserve embellishment." - Gandalf the Grey

There is a most interesting element of the opening moments of An Unexpected Journey that may go unnoticed by many a viewer, and some who do notice it may denounce it as a continuity error. But for those whom this film is made for, it is a kind of treasure. In The Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo Baggins (Ian Holm) begins writing his book by opening with a passage called "Concerning Hobbits", which is - of course - the opening of the prologue found in the novel The Lord of the Rings. Yet in this film - the first part of Peter Jackson's Hobbit trilogy - Bilbo opens with a historical account of the history of the dwarves and their kingdom Erebor, and follows most notably with the line "In a hole in the ground, there lived a hobbit." This line, Tolkien lovers will note, opens the enchanting children's book The Hobbit. A mistake by the screenwriters? I think not. It is a way of alerting attentive viewers that while this is indeed also a story set in Middle Earth, it is told from a very different perspective. An Unexpected Journey is a much more innocent tale than it's three cinematic predecessors. Whereas The Lord of the Rings began by showing steaming molten gold being poured to form the great Rings of Power, The Hobbit opens with the simple lighting of a candle. For all Jackson's expanding of the story with material from the appendices, make no mistake - this is still very much a simple hobbit's tale.

The more fantastical quality of this tale is set up amply by the film's opening prologue (flawlessly narrated by Ian Holm appearing as the aging Bilbo Baggins). We see the dwarves' ancient kingdom in all it's shining glory, unlike anything seen in the previous trilogy. Then, after spending a few fleeting moments again with Ian Holm's Bilbo and his nephew Frodo (Elijah Wood), we begin the tale known to so many readers. So well known is the tale, I won't get bogged down in the particulars. Of note, however, in the opening sections of the film is how we come to understand the plight of the dwarves in a much more personal manner than the novel gives us. By becoming acquainted with Thorin Oakenshield (Richard Armitage) in the opening prologue, his arrival at Bilbo's front door is quite momentous, and we feel a sense of awe at his presence. While not all the dwarves get anything remotely close to enough screentime in the first film, Thorin and Balin (Ken Stott) have a conversation prior to the beginning of the quest that allows us to understand not only why the twelve dwarves in Thorin's company would follow him - but also why we would.

As for our title hobbit, I adore how the film leaves the question of why he has come along unanswered for most of the duration. In the book, he is pretty much pushed out the door by Gandalf. Though he certainly proves his mettle, and indeed ends up being a hobbit who very much prefers to seek out adventure and give into his Tookish side - the film plays things a bit differently. I like very much that the screenwriters crafted an arc for him in which he realizes by his love for home that he MUST help the dwarves to reclaim theirs. I wondered how they would make the split into three separate films work for a story that is, in fact, a rather slim one-volume narrative. By basing the arc of the first film around character evolution, instead of merely counting on a big ending battle scene (though the film does have that as well), the filmmakers have crafted a tender story that creates a sense that a vast journey has been undergone, even if that story only accounts for the first several chapters of its source material.

Of course, An Unexpected Journey is not only based upon its source material. The writers have also pulled from the appendices found in the back of The Return of the King. While I found not all of this added material to be fully satisfying on my initial viewing, I feel they are well crafted introductions for material that will most certainly pay off in the next two films. The White Council sitting around discussing the Necromancer may not amount to much within the narrative scope of this first part of the adventure - but I'd wager it'll be a different story when they're attacking Dol Guldur next December. I also initially found the material surrounding Radagast to be oddly out of place. Aside from it's narrative relevance, talking with birds and riding around on a sled pulled by large, foot-tapping rabbits is not something viewers of The Lord of the Rings will find familiar. But this goes back to what I said earlier about the tone and perspective of this film. This is a children's story at heart - a hobbit's tale. The world found in the forest that Radagast takes up residence in has been one of wonder and innocence - at least until now. Given that we do not see Radagast in the previous trilogy, I do not imagine things will end in anything other than darkness for our loveable wizard.

After a rest in Rivendell, where the material from the appendices gains most of its focus, the dwarves resume their quest and find themselves in a trap by the devious goblins beneath the Misty Mountains. As Bilbo slips away, he finds himself in the centerpiece sequence of the film. If I had my pick of a perfect moment in this adaptation, it would unquestionably be the Riddles in the Dark sequence. You won't find any replayed moments from the prologue in The Fellowship of the Ring (again, this is a wholly different tale), but what has been crafted by the writers, PJ the director, Martin Freeman, and the impressive-as-ever Andy Serkis is something that ranks among my favorite moments from any of these films. I'd wager that Gollum has never been scarier than he is in this scene. That said, we are not denied the more humorous Smeagol moments - though the character does not even remember his name, so he is much more dependent on his Gollum side than in the later Rings films. I loved that Smeagol lit up so much at the prospect of playing a game with someone, while Gollum simultaneously just couldn't wait to tear into "juicy" Bilbo. It plays more as dark comedy than the book's entirely terrifying sequence - but it doesn't diminish Gollum's frightening nature. Also, as much as I have always loved Ian Holm's Bilbo, Martin Freeman captures Bilbo exactly as I imagined. This is true of the his entire performance, but never moreso than in this sequence. Particularly when he later spares Gollum's life - he perfectly establishes the moral compass of Tolkien's entire vast story. In that moment, you can see the reprecussions that his decision will have on the rest of the six films. Both he and Serkis sell that moment in ways that I, personally, could never have imagined when reading The Hobbit for the first time twelve years ago.

The climax of the film centers around the conflict between Thorin and the pale orc Azog, who has been given longer life here than in Tolkien's mythology. He is a beast unlike any orc we've seen before - and though I'm not fond of messing around with Tolkien's vast histories, he does make for a good nemesis for our lead dwarf. I personally would have liked a non-CG villain, but - such as it is - the effects are well done. He is not given much depth, and I hope that will be expanded upon in later films. Is he under the Necromancer's command? Who alerted him and his pack of Thorin's quest? These are elements I would like to see delved into furthur next year, and I look forward to the introduction of his son Bolg, who looks fearsome indeed. The final moments of the climax are exciting, rousing, and emotional as Bilbo rushes to the defense of an injured Thorin. Though this differs from the book, it created for a most emotional moment to end the film on - a previously haughty Thorin embracing the brave Bilbo, while admitting his mistake in understimating him. A curious choice is made in this scene to use Howard Shore's theme from the victory against Sauron and the dawning of the Fourth Age of Middle Earth. Though this may be a case of revisionist scoring, it may also be that Mr. Shore wishes to alter the meaning of this particular piece of music. Rather than noting the defeat of a great enemy - perhaps he means it to signify Tolkien's eucatastrophe. As things seem their darkest, a ray of light shines though victoriously. Or perhaps as a statement of Tolkien's different races joining together in the fight against their evil opponents. Time may tell.

The film ends on much more of a teasing cliffhanger than the previous films. We follow a thrush to the Lonely Mountain and are treated to the waking of Smaug before cutting to the end credits (covered by Neil Finn's excellent "Song of the Lonely Mountain"). This is surely due, in part, to the decision to change the structure of the story from two films to three. However, after a few viewings, I'm convinced that the film still works in this form. Could Bilbo and Thorin's respective arcs have been more satisfying if given more time on the journey before turning the corner? Perhaps. But, as they exist the film we now have, they are incredibly compelling personal journeys. I look forward to seeing how they interact with each other in The Desolation of Smaug, before their relationship sours in There and Back Again. They seem to have developed a closer friendship than I remember in the novel, and that will be a joy to watch develop on screen.

I couldn't possibly draw this review to a close without a bit more discussion on the work done by the massive behind the scenes crew, as well as the actors. Aside from Howard Shore's majestic score (which equals his magnificent previous efforts), the work from all the other incredible artists behind and in front of the camera has also matched (and, in some cases, exceeded) the work on the trilogy. The cinematography, most expecially, is taken to brand new exciting territory. The film was shot in 48fps 3D, which creates a wholly new cinematic experience. Imagine looking at pure reality inside your theater screen. That is all I can say to explain what the experience was like for me. Though the film is also equally impressive in it's traditional 2D format. If the former creates a wholly new experience, the latter draws you back into the cinematic look and feel of the Rings films' photography. Both are thrilling ways to experience this new film. Aside from the performances mentioned earlier in the film, brilliant turns are also lent by Sir Ian McKellen, Cate Blanchett, Hugo Weaving, and many other supporting players - including the very large cast of dwarves, who do so much with even the smallest amount of material. I must give a very special shout out to James Nesbitt's scene with Martin Freeman just before the attack of the goblins. There are other moments like this as well for the other dwarves, where they take just a few short lines and make an incredible impression.

An Unexpected Journey is a wonderful tale of Bilbo Baggins and the Quest of Erebor, told within the larger scope of Tolkien's rich historical landscape. It is neither the slim tale found in Tolkien's original novel, nor a vastly altered epic story made to fit the tone of Peter Jackson's previous films. Instead, it is something of a magical, wonderful compromise. It maintains the innocent spirit of the novel and tells it in the context of Tolkien's larger world. Such a thing is not something I was immediately prepared for when I first viewed it. It caught me by surprise. Indeed, without the next two films, some elements do not reach their full fruition. But the fabric of Tolkien's world is in every single frame. It is a beautiful love letter to all of us who love his stories. In a moment that is not to be found in the book, Gandalf tells Galadriel why he has chosen Bilbo Baggins to be the dwarves' fourteenth companion:

"Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps it is because I am afraid, and he gives me courage.”

This statement encompasses not only the spirit of The Hobbit, but of the entire story stretching to the destruction of the One Ring. It cuts to the heart of why we all love Tolkien's works. Peter Jackson and the legions of artists who have worked on these films throughout the years have given this viewer so many treasures. This latest one was, in many ways, different from what I had expected. Can you imagine that? An Unexpected Journey turned out to be an unexpected film. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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***I'm not good with star ratings - so well just say that I really liked it. Enough to have seen it five time already, in any case. ***

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Here's my belated review for "An Unexpected Journey". Though you may be surprised to hear it after reading my thoughts, my first viewing actually left me a bit underwhelmed. This review is in light of repeat viewings, which left me with a slightly different impression.

[Show spoiler]The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
Review by John Michael Webster


"All good stories deserve embellishment." - Gandalf the Grey

There is a most interesting element of the opening moments of An Unexpected Journey that may go unnoticed by many a viewer, and some who do notice it may denounce it as a continuity error. But for those whom this film is made for, it is a kind of treasure. In The Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo Baggins (Ian Holm) begins writing his book by opening with a passage called "Concerning Hobbits", which is - of course - the opening of the prologue found in the novel The Lord of the Rings. Yet in this film - the first part of Peter Jackson's Hobbit trilogy - Bilbo opens with a historical account of the history of the dwarves and their kingdom Erebor, and follows most notably with the line "In a hole in the ground, there lived a hobbit." This line, Tolkien lovers will note, opens the enchanting children's book The Hobbit. A mistake by the screenwriters? I think not. It is a way of alerting attentive viewers that while this is indeed also a story set in Middle Earth, it is told from a very different perspective. An Unexpected Journey is a much more innocent tale than it's three cinematic predecessors. Whereas The Lord of the Rings began by showing steaming molten gold being poured to form the great Rings of Power, The Hobbit opens with the simple lighting of a candle. For all Jackson's expanding of the story with material from the appendices, make no mistake - this is still very much a simple hobbit's tale.

The more fantastical quality of this tale is set up amply by the film's opening prologue (flawlessly narrated by Ian Holm appearing as the aging Bilbo Baggins). We see the dwarves' ancient kingdom in all it's shining glory, unlike anything seen in the previous trilogy. Then, after spending a few fleeting moments again with Ian Holm's Bilbo and his nephew Frodo (Elijah Wood), we begin the tale known to so many readers. So well known is the tale, I won't get bogged down in the particulars. Of note, however, in the opening sections of the film is how we come to understand the plight of the dwarves in a much more personal manner than the novel gives us. By becoming acquainted with Thorin Oakenshield (Richard Armitage) in the opening prologue, his arrival at Bilbo's front door is quite momentous, and we feel a sense of awe at his presence. While not all the dwarves get anything remotely close to enough screentime in the first film, Thorin and Balin (Ken Stott) have a conversation prior to the beginning of the quest that allows us to understand not only why the twelve dwarves in Thorin's company would follow him - but also why we would.

As for our title hobbit, I adore how the film leaves the question of why he has come along unanswered for most of the duration. In the book, he is pretty much pushed out the door by Gandalf. Though he certainly proves his mettle, and indeed ends up being a hobbit who very much prefers to seek out adventure and give into his Tookish side - the film plays things a bit differently. I like very much that the screenwriters crafted an arc for him in which he realizes by his love for home that he MUST help the dwarves to reclaim theirs. I wondered how they would make the split into three separate films work for a story that is, in fact, a rather slim one-volume narrative. By basing the arc of the first film around character evolution, instead of merely counting on a big ending battle scene (though the film does have that as well), the filmmakers have crafted a tender story that creates a sense that a vast journey has been undergone, even if that story only accounts for the first several chapters of its source material.

Of course, An Unexpected Journey is not only based upon its source material. The writers have also pulled from the appendices found in the back of The Return of the King. While I found not all of this added material to be fully satisfying on my initial viewing, I feel they are well crafted introductions for material that will most certainly pay off in the next two films. The White Council sitting around discussing the Necromancer may not amount to much within the narrative scope of this first part of the adventure - but I'd wager it'll be a different story when they're attacking Dol Guldur next December. I also initially found the material surrounding Radagast to be oddly out of place. Aside from it's narrative relevance, talking with birds and riding around on a sled pulled by large, foot-tapping rabbits is not something viewers of The Lord of the Rings will find familiar. But this goes back to what I said earlier about the tone and perspective of this film. This is a children's story at heart - a hobbit's tale. The world found in the forest that Radagast takes up residence in has been one of wonder and innocence - at least until now. Given that we do not see Radagast in the previous trilogy, I do not imagine things will end in anything other than darkness for our loveable wizard.

After a rest in Rivendell, where the material from the appendices gains most of its focus, the dwarves resume their quest and find themselves in a trap by the devious goblins beneath the Misty Mountains. As Bilbo slips away, he finds himself in the centerpiece sequence of the film. If I had my pick of a perfect moment in this adaptation, it would unquestionably be the Riddles in the Dark sequence. You won't find any replayed moments from the prologue in The Fellowship of the Ring (again, this is a wholly different tale), but what has been crafted by the writers, PJ the director, Martin Freeman, and the impressive-as-ever Andy Serkis is something that ranks among my favorite moments from any of these films. I'd wager that Gollum has never been scarier than he is in this scene. That said, we are not denied the more humorous Smeagol moments - though the character does not even remember his name, so he is much more dependent on his Gollum side than in the later Rings films. I loved that Smeagol lit up so much at the prospect of playing a game with someone, while Gollum simultaneously just couldn't wait to tear into "juicy" Bilbo. It plays more as dark comedy than the book's entirely terrifying sequence - but it doesn't diminish Gollum's frightening nature. Also, as much as I have always loved Ian Holm's Bilbo, Martin Freeman captures Bilbo exactly as I imagined. This is true of the his entire performance, but never moreso than in this sequence. Particularly when he later spares Gollum's life - he perfectly establishes the moral compass of Tolkien's entire vast story. In that moment, you can see the reprecussions that his decision will have on the rest of the six films. Both he and Serkis sell that moment in ways that I, personally, could never have imagined when reading The Hobbit for the first time twelve years ago.

The climax of the film centers around the conflict between Thorin and the pale orc Azog, who has been given longer life here than in Tolkien's mythology. He is a beast unlike any orc we've seen before - and though I'm not fond of messing around with Tolkien's vast histories, he does make for a good nemesis for our lead dwarf. I personally would have liked a non-CG villain, but - such as it is - the effects are well done. He is not given much depth, and I hope that will be expanded upon in later films. Is he under the Necromancer's command? Who alerted him and his pack of Thorin's quest? These are elements I would like to see delved into furthur next year, and I look forward to the introduction of his son Bolg, who looks fearsome indeed. The final moments of the climax are exciting, rousing, and emotional as Bilbo rushes to the defense of an injured Thorin. Though this differs from the book, it created for a most emotional moment to end the film on - a previously haughty Thorin embracing the brave Bilbo, while admitting his mistake in understimating him. A curious choice is made in this scene to use Howard Shore's theme from the victory against Sauron and the dawning of the Fourth Age of Middle Earth. Though this may be a case of revisionist scoring, it may also be that Mr. Shore wishes to alter the meaning of this particular piece of music. Rather than noting the defeat of a great enemy - perhaps he means it to signify Tolkien's eucatastrophe. As things seem their darkest, a ray of light shines though victoriously. Or perhaps as a statement of Tolkien's different races joining together in the fight against their evil opponents. Time may tell.

The film ends on much more of a teasing cliffhanger than the previous films. We follow a thrush to the Lonely Mountain and are treated to the waking of Smaug before cutting to the end credits (covered by Neil Finn's excellent "Song of the Lonely Mountain"). This is surely due, in part, to the decision to change the structure of the story from two films to three. However, after a few viewings, I'm convinced that the film still works in this form. Could Bilbo and Thorin's respective arcs have been more satisfying if given more time on the journey before turning the corner? Perhaps. But, as they exist the film we now have, they are incredibly compelling personal journeys. I look forward to seeing how they interact with each other in The Desolation of Smaug, before their relationship sours in There and Back Again. They seem to have developed a closer friendship than I remember in the novel, and that will be a joy to watch develop on screen.

I couldn't possibly draw this review to a close without a bit more discussion on the work done by the massive behind the scenes crew, as well as the actors. Aside from Howard Shore's majestic score (which equals his magnificent previous efforts), the work from all the other incredible artists behind and in front of the camera has also matched (and, in some cases, exceeded) the work on the trilogy. The cinematography, most expecially, is taken to brand new exciting territory. The film was shot in 48fps 3D, which creates a wholly new cinematic experience. Imagine looking at pure reality inside your theater screen. That is all I can say to explain what the experience was like for me. Though the film is also equally impressive in it's traditional 2D format. If the former creates a wholly new experience, the latter draws you back into the cinematic look and feel of the Rings films' photography. Both are thrilling ways to experience this new film. Aside from the performances mentioned earlier in the film, brilliant turns are also lent by Sir Ian McKellen, Cate Blanchett, Hugo Weaving, and many other supporting players - including the very large cast of dwarves, who do so much with even the smallest amount of material. I must give a very special shout out to James Nesbitt's scene with Martin Freeman just before the attack of the goblins. There are other moments like this as well for the other dwarves, where they take just a few short lines and make an incredible impression.

An Unexpected Journey is a wonderful tale of Bilbo Baggins and the Quest of Erebor, told within the larger scope of Tolkien's rich historical landscape. It is neither the slim tale found in Tolkien's original novel, nor a vastly altered epic story made to fit the tone of Peter Jackson's previous films. Instead, it is something of a magical, wonderful compromise. It maintains the innocent spirit of the novel and tells it in the context of Tolkien's larger world. Such a thing is not something I was immediately prepared for when I first viewed it. I caught me by surprise. Indeed, without the next two films, some elements do not reach their full fruition. But the fabric of Tolkien's world is in every single frame. It is a beautiful love letter to all of us who love his stories. In a moment that is not to be found in the book, Gandalf tells Galadriel why he has chosen Bilbo Baggins to be the dwarves' fourteenth companion:

"Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps it is because I am afraid, and he gives me courage.”

This statement encompasses not only the spirit of The Hobbit, but of the entire story stretching to the destruction of the One Ring. It cuts to the heart of why we all love Tolkien's works. Peter Jackson and the legions of artists who have worked on these films throughout the years have given this viewer so many treasures. This latest one was, in many ways, different from what I had expected. Can you imagine that? An Unexpected Journey turned out to be an unexpected film. I wouldn't have it any other way.

--------------------------------------------

***I'm not good with star ratings - so well just say that I really liked it. Enough to have seen it five time already, in any case. ***
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:16 AM   #672
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You should have seen my first two paragraphs on my initial draft before I realized I needed to pare things down.

...which is, of course, why I don't write that many reviews.

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Old 12-27-2012, 09:20 AM   #673
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You dislike the LotR movies? I should've known, they are some of my favorites.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:29 AM   #674
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Well if you LOVE 3D movies then I say go with the HFR. I did and it blew me away.






Some people do hate it though.

But there is only one way to find out.

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I agree. I saw it in IMAX 3D (no HFR) and thought the image was dark and there was any 3D that I could tell.

I went back and saw it in 3D HFR and was blown away- crisp images and more immersive 3D. As far as I could see, the complaints about the effects of HFR were only present in a few shots with old bilbo in his hobbit hole, then I never noticed it again.
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:42 PM   #675
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Here's my belated review for "An Unexpected Journey". Though you may be surprised to hear it after reading my thoughts, my first viewing actually left me a bit underwhelmed. This review is in light of repeat viewings, which left me with a slightly different impression.

[Show spoiler]The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
Review by John Michael Webster


"All good stories deserve embellishment." - Gandalf the Grey

There is a most interesting element of the opening moments of An Unexpected Journey that may go unnoticed by many a viewer, and some who do notice it may denounce it as a continuity error. But for those whom this film is made for, it is a kind of treasure. In The Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo Baggins (Ian Holm) begins writing his book by opening with a passage called "Concerning Hobbits", which is - of course - the opening of the prologue found in the novel The Lord of the Rings. Yet in this film - the first part of Peter Jackson's Hobbit trilogy - Bilbo opens with a historical account of the history of the dwarves and their kingdom Erebor, and follows most notably with the line "In a hole in the ground, there lived a hobbit." This line, Tolkien lovers will note, opens the enchanting children's book The Hobbit. A mistake by the screenwriters? I think not. It is a way of alerting attentive viewers that while this is indeed also a story set in Middle Earth, it is told from a very different perspective. An Unexpected Journey is a much more innocent tale than it's three cinematic predecessors. Whereas The Lord of the Rings began by showing steaming molten gold being poured to form the great Rings of Power, The Hobbit opens with the simple lighting of a candle. For all Jackson's expanding of the story with material from the appendices, make no mistake - this is still very much a simple hobbit's tale.

The more fantastical quality of this tale is set up amply by the film's opening prologue (flawlessly narrated by Ian Holm appearing as the aging Bilbo Baggins). We see the dwarves' ancient kingdom in all it's shining glory, unlike anything seen in the previous trilogy. Then, after spending a few fleeting moments again with Ian Holm's Bilbo and his nephew Frodo (Elijah Wood), we begin the tale known to so many readers. So well known is the tale, I won't get bogged down in the particulars. Of note, however, in the opening sections of the film is how we come to understand the plight of the dwarves in a much more personal manner than the novel gives us. By becoming acquainted with Thorin Oakenshield (Richard Armitage) in the opening prologue, his arrival at Bilbo's front door is quite momentous, and we feel a sense of awe at his presence. While not all the dwarves get anything remotely close to enough screentime in the first film, Thorin and Balin (Ken Stott) have a conversation prior to the beginning of the quest that allows us to understand not only why the twelve dwarves in Thorin's company would follow him - but also why we would.

As for our title hobbit, I adore how the film leaves the question of why he has come along unanswered for most of the duration. In the book, he is pretty much pushed out the door by Gandalf. Though he certainly proves his mettle, and indeed ends up being a hobbit who very much prefers to seek out adventure and give into his Tookish side - the film plays things a bit differently. I like very much that the screenwriters crafted an arc for him in which he realizes by his love for home that he MUST help the dwarves to reclaim theirs. I wondered how they would make the split into three separate films work for a story that is, in fact, a rather slim one-volume narrative. By basing the arc of the first film around character evolution, instead of merely counting on a big ending battle scene (though the film does have that as well), the filmmakers have crafted a tender story that creates a sense that a vast journey has been undergone, even if that story only accounts for the first several chapters of its source material.

Of course, An Unexpected Journey is not only based upon its source material. The writers have also pulled from the appendices found in the back of The Return of the King. While I found not all of this added material to be fully satisfying on my initial viewing, I feel they are well crafted introductions for material that will most certainly pay off in the next two films. The White Council sitting around discussing the Necromancer may not amount to much within the narrative scope of this first part of the adventure - but I'd wager it'll be a different story when they're attacking Dol Guldur next December. I also initially found the material surrounding Radagast to be oddly out of place. Aside from it's narrative relevance, talking with birds and riding around on a sled pulled by large, foot-tapping rabbits is not something viewers of The Lord of the Rings will find familiar. But this goes back to what I said earlier about the tone and perspective of this film. This is a children's story at heart - a hobbit's tale. The world found in the forest that Radagast takes up residence in has been one of wonder and innocence - at least until now. Given that we do not see Radagast in the previous trilogy, I do not imagine things will end in anything other than darkness for our loveable wizard.

After a rest in Rivendell, where the material from the appendices gains most of its focus, the dwarves resume their quest and find themselves in a trap by the devious goblins beneath the Misty Mountains. As Bilbo slips away, he finds himself in the centerpiece sequence of the film. If I had my pick of a perfect moment in this adaptation, it would unquestionably be the Riddles in the Dark sequence. You won't find any replayed moments from the prologue in The Fellowship of the Ring (again, this is a wholly different tale), but what has been crafted by the writers, PJ the director, Martin Freeman, and the impressive-as-ever Andy Serkis is something that ranks among my favorite moments from any of these films. I'd wager that Gollum has never been scarier than he is in this scene. That said, we are not denied the more humorous Smeagol moments - though the character does not even remember his name, so he is much more dependent on his Gollum side than in the later Rings films. I loved that Smeagol lit up so much at the prospect of playing a game with someone, while Gollum simultaneously just couldn't wait to tear into "juicy" Bilbo. It plays more as dark comedy than the book's entirely terrifying sequence - but it doesn't diminish Gollum's frightening nature. Also, as much as I have always loved Ian Holm's Bilbo, Martin Freeman captures Bilbo exactly as I imagined. This is true of the his entire performance, but never moreso than in this sequence. Particularly when he later spares Gollum's life - he perfectly establishes the moral compass of Tolkien's entire vast story. In that moment, you can see the reprecussions that his decision will have on the rest of the six films. Both he and Serkis sell that moment in ways that I, personally, could never have imagined when reading The Hobbit for the first time twelve years ago.

The climax of the film centers around the conflict between Thorin and the pale orc Azog, who has been given longer life here than in Tolkien's mythology. He is a beast unlike any orc we've seen before - and though I'm not fond of messing around with Tolkien's vast histories, he does make for a good nemesis for our lead dwarf. I personally would have liked a non-CG villain, but - such as it is - the effects are well done. He is not given much depth, and I hope that will be expanded upon in later films. Is he under the Necromancer's command? Who alerted him and his pack of Thorin's quest? These are elements I would like to see delved into furthur next year, and I look forward to the introduction of his son Bolg, who looks fearsome indeed. The final moments of the climax are exciting, rousing, and emotional as Bilbo rushes to the defense of an injured Thorin. Though this differs from the book, it created for a most emotional moment to end the film on - a previously haughty Thorin embracing the brave Bilbo, while admitting his mistake in understimating him. A curious choice is made in this scene to use Howard Shore's theme from the victory against Sauron and the dawning of the Fourth Age of Middle Earth. Though this may be a case of revisionist scoring, it may also be that Mr. Shore wishes to alter the meaning of this particular piece of music. Rather than noting the defeat of a great enemy - perhaps he means it to signify Tolkien's eucatastrophe. As things seem their darkest, a ray of light shines though victoriously. Or perhaps as a statement of Tolkien's different races joining together in the fight against their evil opponents. Time may tell.

The film ends on much more of a teasing cliffhanger than the previous films. We follow a thrush to the Lonely Mountain and are treated to the waking of Smaug before cutting to the end credits (covered by Neil Finn's excellent "Song of the Lonely Mountain"). This is surely due, in part, to the decision to change the structure of the story from two films to three. However, after a few viewings, I'm convinced that the film still works in this form. Could Bilbo and Thorin's respective arcs have been more satisfying if given more time on the journey before turning the corner? Perhaps. But, as they exist the film we now have, they are incredibly compelling personal journeys. I look forward to seeing how they interact with each other in The Desolation of Smaug, before their relationship sours in There and Back Again. They seem to have developed a closer friendship than I remember in the novel, and that will be a joy to watch develop on screen.

I couldn't possibly draw this review to a close without a bit more discussion on the work done by the massive behind the scenes crew, as well as the actors. Aside from Howard Shore's majestic score (which equals his magnificent previous efforts), the work from all the other incredible artists behind and in front of the camera has also matched (and, in some cases, exceeded) the work on the trilogy. The cinematography, most expecially, is taken to brand new exciting territory. The film was shot in 48fps 3D, which creates a wholly new cinematic experience. Imagine looking at pure reality inside your theater screen. That is all I can say to explain what the experience was like for me. Though the film is also equally impressive in it's traditional 2D format. If the former creates a wholly new experience, the latter draws you back into the cinematic look and feel of the Rings films' photography. Both are thrilling ways to experience this new film. Aside from the performances mentioned earlier in the film, brilliant turns are also lent by Sir Ian McKellen, Cate Blanchett, Hugo Weaving, and many other supporting players - including the very large cast of dwarves, who do so much with even the smallest amount of material. I must give a very special shout out to James Nesbitt's scene with Martin Freeman just before the attack of the goblins. There are other moments like this as well for the other dwarves, where they take just a few short lines and make an incredible impression.

An Unexpected Journey is a wonderful tale of Bilbo Baggins and the Quest of Erebor, told within the larger scope of Tolkien's rich historical landscape. It is neither the slim tale found in Tolkien's original novel, nor a vastly altered epic story made to fit the tone of Peter Jackson's previous films. Instead, it is something of a magical, wonderful compromise. It maintains the innocent spirit of the novel and tells it in the context of Tolkien's larger world. Such a thing is not something I was immediately prepared for when I first viewed it. It caught me by surprise. Indeed, without the next two films, some elements do not reach their full fruition. But the fabric of Tolkien's world is in every single frame. It is a beautiful love letter to all of us who love his stories. In a moment that is not to be found in the book, Gandalf tells Galadriel why he has chosen Bilbo Baggins to be the dwarves' fourteenth companion:

"Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps it is because I am afraid, and he gives me courage.”

This statement encompasses not only the spirit of The Hobbit, but of the entire story stretching to the destruction of the One Ring. It cuts to the heart of why we all love Tolkien's works. Peter Jackson and the legions of artists who have worked on these films throughout the years have given this viewer so many treasures. This latest one was, in many ways, different from what I had expected. Can you imagine that? An Unexpected Journey turned out to be an unexpected film. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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***I'm not good with star ratings - so well just say that I really liked it. Enough to have seen it five time already, in any case. ***
Even though you came out of the theater with more appreciation for the film than I did, this review is extremely well-written. Reading others opinions stated in this manner is my favorite aspect of this forum.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:04 PM   #676
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I agree. I saw it in IMAX 3D (no HFR) and thought the image was dark and there was any 3D that I could tell.

I went back and saw it in 3D HFR and was blown away- crisp images and more immersive 3D. As far as I could see, the complaints about the effects of HFR were only present in a few shots with old bilbo in his hobbit hole, then I never noticed it again.
I saw it in both Imax 3D and HFR 3D as well, but had a completely different experience. I much prefer Imax 3D to the other theatrical formats(I seem to suffer less eye strain at Imax and the image suffers much less crosstalk for me). HFR 3D seems to be even more susceptible to issues in regards to fast pans and quick edits. It is brighter than other 3D formats that I've seen, but for this film that seemed to be another detriment as it highlighted the less than flawless cgi.

I found that the HFR resembled motion interpolation in terms of it's appearance, so that may give you an idea as to whether or not it was something that you might like or not.

I think HFR adoption might be similar to 3D adoption, in that it takes time for filmmakers to see what works well and what doesn't. As the first example of the technology, The Hobbit is more of a curiosity in that respect.

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Old 12-27-2012, 03:09 PM   #677
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My review:

Saw it in HFR 3D. (Wanted to see it in IMAX first, but couldn't make it - so I don't have any comparison to base what I saw).

The Film:
Intro
[Show spoiler]- First, although I'm sure fans of the movie were happy to see old Bilbo and young Frodo - there really was no reason for it. These movies should be their own. Don't need to be directly tied to the LOTR - we get it. Could have cut 10 minutes right there.


Singing-
[Show spoiler] Although I can appreciate that they added such an endearing part of the book - it just doesn't fit that the Dwarves spontaneously break into a made up song that they all know the words to. Just doesn't fit in the Middle Earth universe that Jackson created.


The Story-
[Show spoiler]Overall I enjoyed - the problem with the first part is that is feels like all I saw was "the beginning". Like, now - the movie can start. In Fellowship of the Ring I felt like the journey had been much more epic. Like they had fought through so much more and experienced a truly epic journey. In The Hobbit, they encountered a few bad groups - but so much of felt much more like a kid friendly version of Middle Earth. And a lot of it felt very video gamey/cartoony. In the end, I just didn't walk away with that sense of exhaustion that I experienced with FOTR. At then end of the Hobbit, it simply felt that the journey could now begin, and left me feeling a bit unfullfilled.


HFR 3D-
[Show spoiler]I was anxious to see this. It certainly was clear and vibrant - with a clarity you simply can't find in other formats. I didn't have any big issues with some of common complaints I've seen (sped up movements, etc). The 3D was extremely clear and really added to the effect. The biggest isssue for me was that many scenes felt "fake". This was mainly due to the clarity which made scenes feel more "staged" and "lit up" rather than giving a sense of natural lighting. I think there is definitely a future for this new technology - whether in 2 or 3D. However, the biggest hurdle they need to clear is how to properly light HFR when on a staged set. I will be seeing the IMAX version next week probably - and I'll be able to compare then, wish I could have seen it first to truly compare. Anyway, if I had to guess - I will bet that HFR is here to stay and will gain momentum as more film makers adopt it. I think this is more likely to gain main stream acceptance and get adopted into TV sets, etc., than 3D has. I think it is here to stay - and once they get more experience with it - will really enhance our movie going experience.
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Been thinking: Dissliking the LotR movies,but I can't wait to get Hobbit on BD.Think maybe it'll become a (guilty) pleasure.The BD must be reference from what I could see in the cinemas.

Yea, Mahatma, I am feeling pretty much the same way too.

I like FotR quite a bit, however I almost never watch TTT or RoTK because I do not like what Jackson did to them story wise, and they are quite ugly looking at times also. I know that it would NEVER happen, but I wish that Jackson would redue those two films as I believe that now 10 years later he would do a much much better job of it.


I do have a strong feeling that when all is done here that the Hobbit movies will be the ones that I watch the most from Jackson's Tolkien universe by a long shot.

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Old 12-28-2012, 03:12 AM   #679
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I just finished watching this movie In HFR 3D and I loved it! While not as good as Lord of the Rings, this film went above and beyond my expectations! The HFR 3D was really neat and I'm very glad I picked that format to watch it in. 5/5!
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:16 AM   #680
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[Show spoiler] Although I can appreciate that they added such an endearing part of the book - it just doesn't fit that the Dwarves spontaneously break into a made up song that they all know the words to. Just doesn't fit in the Middle Earth universe that Jackson created.
Both Gandalf and Bilbo sang the "Road goes ever on" song in FOTR. Singing is common, although more songs should have been featured in the trilogy that were in the books...
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