4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

That recent Home Theater Geek video with Stacy Spears saying that we will see more BD HDR than we will UHD BR may not be far off the mark.

You mean this one? Yet another, according to Joe - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post11071017

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

One better, drop the whole Ultra HD Blu-ray moniker and just call it Blu-ray HDR.

1. Aren’t there still many ‘videophiles’ on the internet that continue to disparage HDR? I ask because months ago, I know for a fact, many were complaining of “retinas burning”, “fake” appearance, etc. Hell, even here, I was trying to convince dvdmike of the merits of HDR almost on a daily basis.

Has everyone in the consumer AV social media community now come around and publicly embraced HDR? That would be good news.

2. What if some studio decides to produce an Ultra HD Blu-ray SDR movie? Personally, I don’t desire to see film classics like Gone with the Wind in HDR because nobody really knows what the Director’s intent was with each scene. Just give me an improved SDR version and I’d be happy.

[raygendreau]

Remember the auto 2D/3D conversion workstation Fox and JVC developed for the I. Robot, Predator conversions?

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2012/nab/p...o_DSCN0584.jpg

Maybe they could dust that off and adapt it for SDR/HDR conversions. They could turn out a lot of catalog releases cheaply.

Seriously, though, one of the primary risks with catalog and HDR is the potential total lack of, or insufficient director oversight. Without it, the potential for viewer distraction from the director’s intended focus in a scene may be problematic

[raygendreau]

So, for catalog, the concern is pseudo/fake HDR rather than upping the resolution. Is this how Fox HDR'd Kingsman and the rest of the proposed UHD HDR BRs?

"It looked...really good, actually. Much better than the SDR version. Did the real HDR look better? Absolutely. Depending on the shot, at least 20 to 30 percent better. But the upconverted version looked so good, that if that was the only image shown, I doubt anyone would have guessed it was "fake" HDR. Which is, of course, the point."

http://www.cnet.com/news/technicolor...ideo-into-hdr/

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

1. Aren’t there still many ‘videophiles’ on the internet that continue to disparage HDR? I ask because months ago, I know for a fact, many were complaining of “retinas burning”, “fake” appearance, etc. Hell, even here, I was trying to convince dvdmike of the merits of HDR almost on a daily basis.



Has everyone in the consumer AV social media community now come around and publicly embraced HDR? That would be good news.



2. What if some studio decides to produce an Ultra HD Blu-ray SDR movie? Personally, I don’t desire to see film classics like Gone with the Wind in HDR because nobody really knows what the Director’s intent was with each scene. Just give me an improved SDR version and I’d be happy.

This. I fear it will become the new "colour conversion" fab.

Also if HDR keeps being a preminum feature how many discs will be sold?

[kristoffer]

The best thing about this new format is that we might finally get decent version of Back to the future and other Universal catalog titles. At the same time we might see unreleased titles like The Abyss and Panic Room.

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

"It looked...really good, actually. Much better than the SDR version. Did the real HDR look better? Absolutely. Depending on the shot, at least 20 to 30 percent better.

So, please correct me here if I have this wrong :-

SDR to HDR - 20 - 30 % Improvement in perceivable picture quality

Standard Colour to Wide Colour Gamut - Negligible improvement unless side by side scrutiny is applied, fleeting glances can tell no difference

HD to UHD Resolution - Difficult to tell the difference on certain size sets and at certain viewing distances.

Can some please explain the point of UHD BD. Like Geoff, I am becoming more disillusioned and unimpressed the more I hear

[kristoffer]

I wonder how good the "digital bridge" feature will work.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

....Is this how Fox HDR'd Kingsman and the rest of the proposed UHD HDR BRs?
http://www.cnet.com/news/technicolor...ideo-into-hdr/

If you’re asking if all Fox’s launch Ultra HD Blu-ray were produced using Technicolor’s ITM plug-in on truncated down SDR files, the answer is No.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

So, please correct me here if I have this wrong :-

SDR to HDR - 20 - 30 % Improvement in perceivable picture quality

Standard Colour to Wide Colour Gamut - Negligible improvement unless side by side scrutiny is applied, fleeting glances can tell no difference

HD to UHD Resolution - Difficult to tell the difference on certain size sets and at certain viewing distances.

Can some please explain the point of UHD BD. Like Geoff, I am becoming more disillusioned and unimpressed the more I hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSt...youtu.be&t=16s

[Penton-Man]

Introduction

Tuned to Perfection - Mike Sowa, on finessing the new Panasonic OLED TV #PanasonicIFA - YouTube

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Introduction

Tuned to Perfection - Mike Sowa, on finessing the new Panasonic OLED TV #PanasonicIFA - YouTube

If you had gone back a page in the thread, you would have found a better scripted introduction:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...48&postcount=6

[raygendreau]

So, what’s next, the colorist wars? LG answers with my colorist is better than your colorist?

What really matters is that the monitor in the workflow produces, and the downstream consumer display reproduces the same images that the content creator wants you, the viewer to see, or as close to it as the consumer display can get. So, ideally, the pro monitor produces and the consumer display reproduces the full range of contrast and color likely to be used in the industry within the boundaries dictated by the standards (SMPTE 2086/2084) We will see if the UHD Alliance agrees/disagrees sometime in the indeterminate future.

What the colorist does depends on the content creator’s intent and obviously is project specific.

https://www.smpte.org/sites/default/..._v5_Final2.pdf

https://kws.smpte.org/kws/public/pro...project_id=294

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

1. Aren’t there still many ‘videophiles’ on the internet that continue to disparage HDR? I ask because months ago, I know for a fact, many were complaining of “retinas burning”, “fake” appearance, etc. Hell, even here, I was trying to convince dvdmike of the merits of HDR almost on a daily basis.

Has everyone in the consumer AV social media community now come around and publicly embraced HDR? That would be good news.

2. What if some studio decides to produce an Ultra HD Blu-ray SDR movie? Personally, I don’t desire to see film classics like Gone with the Wind in HDR because nobody really knows what the Director’s intent was with each scene. Just give me an improved SDR version and I’d be happy.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

If you had gone back a page in the thread, you would have found a better scripted introduction:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...48&postcount=6

Ray, I did go back and actually quoted you…..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11236092

but had thought that people would want to hear about him from someone other than himself.

As an aside, and on a somewhat advanced level, beyond the job description of a digital intermediate colorist….with more and more OLEDs coming into consumer homes, an otherwise historic color grading process…..https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ut#post9103476
will eventually have to be amended.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Mike's back on the Blu-ray.com Tech road with a Fury!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

So, what’s next, the colorist wars? LG answers with my colorist is better than your colorist?

Well there are some colorists which other colorists look up to (e.g. S.S. at CO3) but, no, for LG to stay OLED quality competitive, I’d say beyond the panel, work on better signal processor technology, i.e. guts , rather than recruiting digital colorist endorsements.

[Penton-Man]

In regards to the freebie HDR clip from Fox….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11167019

I’ve received several PMs over the last several days from encoder junkies asking about how/with what was it HEVC encoded. So, as to prevent further inquiries necessitating me answer on an individual basis which is rather time consuming redundant -

Answer: the ‘Pro’ version of this - http://ateme.com/en/products/transcoders/

When I get more time, so as not to appear brand bias, I won’t name the monitor on which the clip was mastered but perhaps I’ll post the chromaticity coordinates and let the bright calibrators figure it out and reveal that to you….if they can and have had hands-on experience with this particular display.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

One better, drop the whole Ultra HD Blu-ray moniker and just call it Blu-ray HDR. If the spatial resolution is not as effective, just market the whole thing based around WCG, HFR and, more importantly, HDR.

This will not happen though as I suspect there are more 4K capable TV sets WITHOUT HDR than with at this moment in time and that is one audience the studios maybe scared of alienating. The whole thing is a mess tbh and does not need the influence of a competing format like HD DVD this time to make this launch a disaster. Between the Consumer Electronics Companies, the BDA, the UHD Alliance and the Studios the whole thing is rapidly becoming a shambles all of their own doing.

It is easier to promote 4K than it is to promote any other features in Ultra HD Blu-ray so I can understand why the studios are upscaling everything to 4K but things are kind of warped when tricking customers is done in order to sell a product that has real improvements.

[Geoff D]

That's the irony, isn't it? The one thing on the cover that will catch the attention of the average joe vs regular Blu-ray isn't what the upscales will actually have, but they WILL have some other tangible benefits regardless (providing the customer's 4K TV can handle them, natch).