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Penton-Man · 01-12-2016, 07:26 PM

Richard,
heads-up…new documents (regarding HDR) for the next ITU-T/ISO/IEC Joint Collaborative Team on video coding meeting coming up in S.D. have recently been uploaded, as of now, a couple still are pending approval by the Chair.

Penton-Man · 01-12-2016, 11:15 PM

December SMPTE report from Atlanta (~ 50 members attended in person, additional participation via remote access) soon to be posted on the official site, which at this moment as one sees only includes the meeting from Paris. (https://www.smpte.org/standards/meeting-reports).

December not much really of concern to readers here. Project group 10E Dynamic Metadata for color transforms of HDR and WCG Images is progressing along.

Penton-Man · 01-12-2016, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by saprano

Sony's OLED master monitor always intrigues me too.

Not that Sap does, but to those counting nits….

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For that professional monitor, peak luminance barely achieves right around 1000 nits, as long as you measure a small enough screen patch.

Welcome back, Sap.

Penton-Man · 01-12-2016, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris Deering

No one has that crystal ball specifically, but you're more future proof than the Sony 4K projectors are giving you. HDR isn't the same thing on projection as it is on flat panels. They just don't have the headroom in brightness to reap the true rewards. So while they support HDR playback, it isn't going to be anything like what you'd get from a flat panel. Probably won't be for years to come. Neither is offering Dolby Vision support, but at least with UHD Blu-ray you'll still have the HDR10 base layer if HDR is important. Otherwise you're good to go. I'm sure at some point JVC will update their line with native 4K imaging chips, but it will probably take several generations of those before they reach the performance they are already achieving with their current 1080p chips in terms of contrast and everything else. And again, with their current quasi-4K implementation, it already performs as good or better than what we've seen from native 4K projection.

Good, fair assessment.

paperthin567 · 01-13-2016, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris Deering

No one has that crystal ball specifically, but you're more future proof than the Sony 4K projectors are giving you. HDR isn't the same thing on projection as it is on flat panels. They just don't have the headroom in brightness to reap the true rewards. So while they support HDR playback, it isn't going to be anything like what you'd get from a flat panel. Probably won't be for years to come. Neither is offering Dolby Vision support, but at least with UHD Blu-ray you'll still have the HDR10 base layer if HDR is important. Otherwise you're good to go. I'm sure at some point JVC will update their line with native 4K imaging chips, but it will probably take several generations of those before they reach the performance they are already achieving with their current 1080p chips in terms of contrast and everything else. And again, with their current quasi-4K implementation, it already performs as good or better than what we've seen from native 4K projection.

Thank you so much for answering my questions. I have three more and I feel confident you can answer all 3:

1 - what is HDR?
2 - what is Dolby Vision?
3 - if I bought this projector solely for upcoverting my standard 1080P blurays to 4K, would that alone be worth the investment? In other words, does unconverted 1080P content look different (better) than what I'm used to seeing? Keep in mind, I use the Darbee Darblet and that thing does wonders to the sharpness. Even upconverted, I believe I should still be able to use my Darbee Darblet on it since it's still a 1080P signal.

Many thanks in advance.

Fritz · 01-13-2016, 09:39 AM

I won't litter the thread with fan boy stuff but I'm just flat out stoked. Can you imagine The Godfather in HDR 4k?

The scene where Michael and Kay are walking down the street and Michael sees the headline that his father has been shot! With the Christmas and street lights and everything bathed in sepia.....damn.

saprano · 01-13-2016, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

To ray(gendreau),I’m sensing Sap might just beat you to the punch in purchasing an LG Signature 4K HDR OLED tv to replace his Kuro.

Uh uh. Don't feel comfortable buying new technology made by only one company. Gonna need more to step in and refine it. Namely; motion, uniformity, shadow detail, among other issues (LG claims to have improved these with their new line. We'll see). Things i've gotten use to with plasmas and very sensitive to. Also prefer plasmas analog CRT look.

I feel a Sony OLED would push things forward, seeing how much work they put into their monitors.

I'm fine with my kuro for now. Like....really fine.

Kris Deering · 01-13-2016, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by paperthin567

Thank you so much for answering my questions. I have three more and I feel confident you can answer all 3:

1 - what is HDR?
2 - what is Dolby Vision?
3 - if I bought this projector solely for upcoverting my standard 1080P blurays to 4K, would that alone be worth the investment? In other words, does unconverted 1080P content look different (better) than what I'm used to seeing? Keep in mind, I use the Darbee Darblet and that thing does wonders to the sharpness. Even upconverted, I believe I should still be able to use my Darbee Darblet on it since it's still a 1080P signal.

Many thanks in advance.

I'll be brief. 1. High Dynamic Range, I'm not going to explain it, but you can find a lot about it with google. It is the new thing in video and will be the main selling point of UHD. 2. Dolby Vision is one of the methods of HDR for displays and content, 3. Upconverting 1080p to 4K is a mixed bag. It will all depend on how big your screen is and how close you sit. In my setup, I don't upscale 1080p with the JVC, I just play it back in 1080p. The extra resolution doesn't make much difference in my room (I sit back about 13 feet from a 10 ft diagonal screen). But there are a lot more things that go into an image than strictly resolution. The JVC's are the best out there for contrast (dynamic range) which most would say is the most important part of an image. So it is not as simple as you're asking. Sorry if that is a little vague.

Penton-Man · 01-13-2016, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by paperthin567

1 - what is HDR?
2 - what is Dolby Vision?

You’ll find adequate basic explanations by tech writers and company reps of what ‘HDR’ is all over the internet these days as well as, even many YouTubes with people illustrating it, e.g.…..

At this time, what you won’t find too much about is HDR12 (p.148 – https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/05/d...at-1.0.doc.pdf ,but don’t worry about that for now.

Dolby Vision vs. the open standard (HDR10) ? see…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post11710128

Something else to keep in mind is that for typical narrative motion pictures you won’t get (contrary to marketing people pushing it) that great of a visual bang just out of WCG alone…..unless it is complemented with HDR, see 2nd paragraph, last July….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post11011071 before discussing color volume became en vogue.

Penton-Man · 01-13-2016, 05:53 PM

Eh, I see I was typing that ^ up while Kris was explaining....didn't mean to butt in but I saw no answer posted to your first 2 queries.

paperthin567 · 01-13-2016, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Eh, I see I was typing that ^ up while Kris was explaining....didn't mean to butt in but I saw no answer posted to your first 2 queries.

I appreciate the help, Penton and Kris. Many thanks.

Penton-Man · 01-13-2016, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fritz

I won't litter the thread with fan boy stuff but I'm just flat out stoked. Can you imagine The Godfather in HDR 4k?

The scene where Michael and Kay are walking down the street and Michael sees the headline that his father has been shot! With the Christmas and street lights and everything bathed in sepia.....damn.

Doesn’t seem too fanboy-ish to me.

Penton-Man · 01-13-2016, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by saprano

....I feel a Sony OLED would push things forward, seeing how much work they put into their monitors.

I'm fine with my kuro for now. Like....really fine.

Geez Sap, how many hours you got on that plasma now? Seems that Kuro is like the Energizer bunny rabbit. Anyway, good to see old members still participating in the hobby.

Penton-Man · 01-13-2016, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by paperthin567

i appreciate the help, penton and kris. Many thanks.

JJ · 01-13-2016, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by saprano

I'm fine with my kuro for now. Like....really fine.

Mine's been retired to practical non-use by now. It's a gaming TV, which isn't even something the Kuro is great at.

It's got the red bleed still, and at 50", it's just not a "primary display" to me anymore.

I suppose I'm glad my 65ZT60 died on me. While I did get a chance to experiment with projectors for a few months, I ended up with a 65JS8500, and can't wait to see HDR/4K on it.

Fritz · 01-13-2016, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Doesn’t seem too fanboy-ish to me.

I just want to be careful to not derail the more technical side of the thread.

But darn it, it's going to be sweet....

saprano · 01-13-2016, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geez Sap, how many hours you got on that plasma now? Seems that Kuro is like the Energizer bunny rabbit. Anyway, good to see old members still participating in the hobby.

A few thousand. Nowhere near double digits. Doesn't matter, these were made to last. Picture is still ripe.

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Originally Posted by JJ

Mine's been retired to practical non-use by now. It's a gaming TV, which isn't even something the Kuro is great at.

It's got the red bleed still, and at 50", it's just not a "primary display" to me anymore.

I suppose I'm glad my 65ZT60 died on me. While I did get a chance to experiment with projectors for a few months, I ended up with a 65JS8500, and can't wait to see HDR/4K on it.

Gaming is fine to me from the few times i played it on the kuro. What's the issue? Lag?

I remember you had the red tint. I don't have any on mine. If i do get it i know how to fix it and lower blacks. Not really expecting to. It would of happened by now.

4K is nice, but it's not something big enough where i feel i have to run out and buy all new stuff for it. I'm more than satisfied watching blurays on the kuro.

I'll get there eventually. For now the only 4K i'm buying are the bluray combo packs to future proof. Even then, it's going to be highly selective titles.

partridge · 01-14-2016, 09:11 AM

Looks like you'll be paying for the extra resolution; over $40 for a new title but less for a catalogue title

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1364...cost-hint-ouch

saprano · 01-14-2016, 01:49 PM

$42 is the MSRP. It won't cost that much.

spectre08 · 01-14-2016, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by partridge

Looks like you'll be paying for the extra resolution; over $40 for a new title but less for a catalogue title

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1364...cost-hint-ouch

who pays MSRP for movies?

MSRP on the 2D blu-ray of The Martian is $39.99, the 3D is $49.99

01-12-2016, 07:26 PM	#6621
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	Richard, heads-up…new documents (regarding HDR) for the next ITU-T/ISO/IEC Joint Collaborative Team on video coding meeting coming up in S.D. have recently been uploaded, as of now, a couple still are pending approval by the Chair.

01-12-2016, 11:15 PM	#6622
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	December SMPTE report from Atlanta (~ 50 members attended in person, additional participation via remote access) soon to be posted on the official site, which at this moment as one sees only includes the meeting from Paris. (https://www.smpte.org/standards/meeting-reports). December not much really of concern to readers here. Project group 10E Dynamic Metadata for color transforms of HDR and WCG Images is progressing along.

01-13-2016, 09:39 AM	#6626
Fritz Active Member Member since:Dec 2010 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:2	I won't litter the thread with fan boy stuff but I'm just flat out stoked. Can you imagine The Godfather in HDR 4k? The scene where Michael and Kay are walking down the street and Michael sees the headline that his father has been shot! With the Christmas and street lights and everything bathed in sepia.....damn.

01-13-2016, 05:53 PM	#6630
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	Eh, I see I was typing that ^ up while Kris was explaining....didn't mean to butt in but I saw no answer posted to your first 2 queries.

01-14-2016, 09:11 AM	#6638
partridge Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2005 Location:England	Looks like you'll be paying for the extra resolution; over $40 for a new title but less for a catalogue title http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1364...cost-hint-ouch

01-14-2016, 01:49 PM	#6639
saprano Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Bronx, New York Blu-ray collection:495 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:9	$42 is the MSRP. It won't cost that much.

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