HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Too much on topic stuff Penton, back to top gun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRv2cVF0CdM#t=40s
50 years later -> https://topgunassociation.org/

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

That’s not me (I don’t want to end up like John Wayne Bobbitt ), my involvement is simply to document the get together onboard.

Yeah, she came back on the surface that apparel's cut sausage emotionally unstable woman.
I don't want to be near her, no way Jose.

I like your documentation, it's a apropos and to the trim point.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Yeah, she came back on the surface that apparel's cut sausage emotionally unstable woman.
I don't want to be near her, no way Jose.

I like your documentation, it's a apropos and to the trim point.

Well I don't know who was right or wrong in that whole situation (I totally empathize with her if indeed she was being raped by her husband as alleged), all I do know is that all this talk reminds me of Chad’s (and man’s) biggest fear as expressed last night on SNL –

Chad Horror Movie - SNL - YouTube

I admit that on occasion I've had similar fun with telemarketeers who've called me at home on my day off.

[LordoftheRings]

Funny those telemarketers, not like ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmSW...ature=youtu.be

You brought it up, now deal with it. You'll find a way, just like you do with Tom.
_____

And ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33BC...ature=youtu.be

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well I don't know who was right or wrong in that whole situation (I totally empathize with her if indeed she was being raped by her husband as alleged), all I do know is that all this talk reminds me of Chad’s (and man’s) biggest fear as expressed last night on SNL –

Chad Horror Movie - SNL - YouTube

I admit that on occasion I've had similar fun with telemarketeers who've called me at home on my day off.

Yup, Chad had one of his best skits. Two word mono-syllable answers as usual.
Chad’s the bro’s bro.

And Mulaney slayed it all night. So clueless in What’s That Name? Even a follow up to Diner Lobster!

[Penton-Man]

totally agree ^ loved Bill Hader playing Jim Jordan at the hearing too

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

You brought it up, now deal with it. You'll find a way, just like you do with Tom.

I did. We just ordered pizza from Pizzana’s - https://pizzana.com/ (Brentwood). And will be sitting down soon to enjoy it while watching yesterday’s (recorded) North London derby….and if that’s lousy, then switch to yesterday’s El Clasico ----haven't seen either, too busy.

[LordoftheRings]

¤ https://www.deccanchronicle.com/amp/...y-kei-jvc.html

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

¤ https://www.deccanchronicle.com/amp/...y-kei-jvc.html

First 8k!!

*eshift

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I did. We just ordered pizza from Pizzana’s - https://pizzana.com/ (Brentwood). And will be sitting down soon to enjoy it while watching yesterday’s (recorded) North London derby….and if that’s lousy, then switch to yesterday’s El Clasico ----haven't seen either, too busy.

We are one game away from a visit to Wembley in the capital Penton Man. It’s only a small cup but that won’t stop 40,000 SAFC fans.

As a little side note, we are in league one (third division) and we had the seventh highest attendance in the U.K. on Saturday! 32,000. The average crowd for league one is 7,000 I think.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I like your documentation, it's a apropos and to the trim point.

with regards to HDR, when not eating pizza and watching soccer with friends (thank God our spouses enjoy the sport too), have been doing it pretty much for years before hobbyists had ever heard of EOTF, extended dynamic range, etc. be it citing SMPTE work unrecognized by AV journalists - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post9754213

or ITU work - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post11215374

and now, recently, to help Agent Kay and others who ‘feel the need’ to be fulfilled with regards to the upcoming action drama directed by Joseph Kosinski starring Tom Cruise et al. – along with all the previous exclusive posts regarding Top Gun: Maverick, since it's 50th Anniversary time, I’ll add the little-known fact that the impetus for the training program known as TOPGUN



was The Ault Report – Appendix IV, page IV4…https://www.history.navy.mil/researc...lt-report.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We are one game away from a visit to Wembley in the capital Penton Man. It’s only a small cup but that won’t stop 40,000 SAFC fans.

As a little side note, we are in league one (third division) and we had the seventh highest attendance in the U.K. on Saturday! 32,000. The average crowd for league one is 7,000 I think.

I’m happy to learn that despite the relegation from the Prem your mates have remained strong in support of their hometown team. Hope to see you rise like the phoenix from the ashes.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

heads-up as to what was coming next (before the public or social media/bloggers knew about it) - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post16043346
-> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post16055574

and the exclusive departure moving movie set heads-up of 02-20-2019 - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post16105908 ->

follow-up courtesy of the crew onboard - https://www.alamy.com/190221-n-rq987...237653944.html

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

.....You'll find a way, just like you do with Tom.

Postscript -

Tom cruise speech on the set of top gun 2 maverick - YouTube

[DanBa]

HDMI interface of HDR TV




=> HDR10:

. HDR10 Media Profile:
"A TV, monitor or projector may be referred to as a HDR Compatible Display if it meets the following minimum attributes:
. Includes at least one interface that supports HDR signaling as defined in CEA-861-F, as extended by CEA-861.3.
. Receives and processes static HDR metadata compliant with CEA-861.3 for uncompressed video."
https://www.cta.tech/News/Press-Rele...-Displays.aspx

. HDMI:
"April 8, 2015 – HDMI Forum, Inc., a non-profit, mutual benefit corporation, today announced the completion and release of Version 2.0a of the HDMI Specification.
The specification has been updated to enable transmission of HDR formats, which provide enhanced picture quality by simultaneously enabling greater detail for both the dark and bright parts of an image. The HDR-related updates include references to CEA-861.3, CEA’s recently published update of HDR Static Metadata Extensions."
https://hdmiforum.org/hdmi-forum-inc...specification/


=> HEVC HLG:
"The HDMI Forum has confirmed that the extension of the static metadata signaling to include HLG can be utilized under the existing HDMI 2.0b Specification. This means that HLG Video Transport functionality may be implemented on HDMI 2.0b compliant devices."
https://hdmiforum.org/specifications/notices/


=> Dolby Vision:

. HDMI 1.4
"We had anticipated the challenge of getting high dynamic range (HDR) and HDR metadata over HDMI interfaces. So what we did was develop our own technology that tunnels all the way through HDMI interfaces back to version 1.4, including the signaling and the metadata. So for televisions that have HDMI inputs and present Dolby Vision signals, as a requirement from us, the HDMI inputs have to support Dolby Vision in addition to the on-board OTT apps that support Dolby Vision and in order to make that work we developed in-band signaling as well as the ability to send 12-bit video over what is effectively an 8-bit interface." [Roland Vlaicu, Dolby VP]
https://hdguru.com/dolby-vision-trie...t-bar-for-hdr/



. HDMI 2.1:
In the near future, the CTA-861-G / HDMI 2.1 HDR Dynamic Metadata Extended InfoFrames are used for delivering Dolby Vision SMPTE ST 2094-10 dynamic metadata to a Dolby Vision TV.
"CTA-861-G specifies how ETSI TS 103 433 multi-part deliverable metadata [i.e. ST 2094-20/30 metadata and therefore ST 2094-10 metadata] can be carried on CE digital interfaces (e.g. HDMI)."
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts...01v010201p.pdf
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4f/24/5d/4...f1c4a4a0d8.jpg
https://glenwing.github.io/docs/CTA-861-G.pdf

There will probably be a future version of Dolby Vision where dynamic metadata can be carried in a proprietary way as it is now, or in a HDMI 2.1 standard way.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post57527994


=> HDR10+:

. HDMI 2.0
As HDMI 2.1 Dynamic HDR is not quite available for the time being, the HDMI carriage of HDR10+ dynamic metadata have been implemented in a proprietary way in HDMI 2.0 products.
HDR10+ dynamic metadata are transmitted from a UHD Blu-ray player / steaming player to a HDR10+ TV using the HDMI Vendor Specific InfoFrames (VSIF).
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post57290002



. HDMI 2.1:
In the near future, the CTA-861-G / HDMI 2.1 HDR Dynamic Metadata Extended InfoFrames are used for delivering HDR10+ SMPTE ST 2094-40 dynamic metadata to a HDR10+ TV.
"CTA-861-G specifies how ETSI TS 103 433 multi-part deliverable metadata [i.e. ST 2094-20/30 metadata and therefore ST 2094-40 metadata] can be carried on CE digital interfaces (e.g. HDMI)."
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts...01v010201p.pdf
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4f/24/5d/4...f1c4a4a0d8.jpg
https://glenwing.github.io/docs/CTA-861-G.pdf

There will probably be a future version of HDR10+ where dynamic metadata can be carried in a proprietary way as it is now, or in a HDMI 2.1 standard way.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post57527994


=> Technicolor HDR (SL-HDRx):
The CTA-861-G / HDMI 2.1 HDR Dynamic Metadata Extended InfoFrames are used for delivering SL-HDRx SMPTE ST 2094-20/30 dynamic metadata to a SL-HDRx TV.
"CTA-861-G specifies how ETSI TS 103 433 multi-part deliverable metadata [i.e. ST 2094-20/30 metadata] can be carried on CE digital interfaces (e.g. HDMI)."
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts...01v010201p.pdf
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts...02v010101p.pdf
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4f/24/5d/4...f1c4a4a0d8.jpg
https://glenwing.github.io/docs/CTA-861-G.pdf


=> VP9-PQ YouTube HDR: same interface than HDR10
=> VP9-HLG YouTube HDR: same interface than HEVC HLG


=> HDMI interface of Audio/Video Receiver (AVR) to HDR TV:

*: AVR compatible with proprietary Dolby Vision metadata
The Dolby Vision compatibility allows an AVR to pass the Dolby Vision video signal and the proprietary Dolby Vision metadata through to a Dolby Vision TV.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post57290002

**: HDMI 2.1 Dynamic HDR-compliant AVR
A HDMI 2.1 Dynamic HDR-compliant AVR can transmit the Dolby Vision ST 2094-10 metadata of a future version of Dolby Vision over the HDMI interface in a standardized way.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post57527994

°: AVR compatible with proprietary HDR10+ metadata
The HDR10+ compatibility allows an AVR to pass the HDR10+ video signal and the proprietary HDR10+ metadata through to a HDR10+ TV.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post57290002

°°: HDMI 2.1 Dynamic HDR-compliant AVR
A HDMI 2.1 Dynamic HDR-compliant AVR can transmit the HDR10+ ST 2094-40 metadata of a future version of HDR10+ over the HDMI interface in a standardized way.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post57527994

[Agent Kay]

HDMI was a mistake, MHL was the way forward

[Robert Zohn]

@DanBa, thanks for posting these latest charts on the advancements in our beloved new 4K HDR TV System!

I believe we'll see some traction on the implementation of Technicolor's new HDR, SL-HDR1 at NAB in April 2019. The application will be used with some of the latest Low, mid and high power UHF TV Broadcast transmitters equipped with ATSC extremal encoding devices.

Not sure, but I'm hopeful this new HDR standard will also be delivered with ATSC 3.0 over IP.

[Penton-Man]

https://www.sgvtribune.com/2019/03/0...-marvel-movie/

USAF Thunderbirds Fly Over 'Captain Marvel' Premiere - YouTube

hmm, the Navy has Blue Angels – https://www.blueangels.navy.mil/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

@DanBa, thanks for posting these latest charts on the advancements in our beloved new 4K HDR TV System!

I believe we'll see some traction on the implementation of Technicolor's new HDR, SL-HDR1 at NAB in April 2019. The application will be used with some of the latest Low, mid and high power UHF TV Broadcast transmitters equipped with ATSC extremal encoding devices.

Not sure, but I'm hopeful this new HDR standard will also be delivered with ATSC 3.0 over IP.

^
https://www.thebroadcastbridge.com/c...tur?cat_id=100

https://www.nabshow.com/education/co...ogy-conference

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

Nice categorizing ^, much easier to read than those nauseating Venn diagrams. What’s also significant to the final outcome is that it seems content creators are now - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post16119076
more inclined to follow ITU-R BT.2408, page 3 Table 1 of the pdf file.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://www.sgvtribune.com/2019/03/0...-marvel-movie/

USAF Thunderbirds Fly Over 'Captain Marvel' Premiere - YouTube

hmm, the Navy has Blue Angels – https://www.blueangels.navy.mil/

From a different perspective, i.e. looking up -

Captain Marvel World Premiere - Thunderbirds Flying Over Hollywood - YouTube

(https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664...ef_=tt_dt_spec)