Sony UBP-X800 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[rroeder]

Has it been determined if this will or will not get the DV update when Sony finally releases it?

Would like to replace my Samsuck but not ready to spend what $500-600? for Oppo

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by Snikt

I change it to bitstream (unprocessed). It supports all the HD sound except Dolby atmos. Should I do that instead?

Absolutely. I wasn't sure if your receiver had Bitstream, but that's the one you want.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by Snikt

So I would hook up the player to hdmi 1 on my tv (video) then connect the player to my receiver using hdmi 2 from the player (audio).

Right.

Originally Posted by Snikt

My a/v receiver is hooked to hdmi 4 (it has the ARC function) on my tv. So would I switch the tv to hdmi 1 or 4 to view movies from the blu-ray player? I’m afraid my receiver would automatically switch it to digital in, and i won’t get the correct audio

ARC will interfere with Bitstream, and it will not decode the lossless audio from the blu-ray disc, so switch the connection to HDMI 1, then you will be good to go.

[mar3o]

When I asked a couple weeks ago if this player tends to have freezing issues because I've read a bunch of comments over on AVS about this issue, several people were quick to respond that there are no freezing issues with this player, Yet just in the past 24 hours there are several comments about their player locking up on some triple layer discs, or some other discs. Which is why I asked about this in here. I get that many in here love their player, and are excited about the new tech, but this is a 1st generation player, and I'm not sure I feel comfortable buying a 1st gen player of any format, unless everyone unanimously agrees that it's a solid player. I have read lots of posts now about the player freezing or randomly locking up and needing to pull the power to reset. I find this unacceptable on any player. My Panasonic blu-ray player never so much as hiccups, and I have never had a freeze once on a single disc in 2 years. My old Panasonic (which died after only 2 short years sadly) also never froze even once.

I think none of the current batch of UHD players are ready for prime time. It's a new technology and should be approached with caution by the early adopters. It's a shame because I have several discs building up now and I'd like to get into the format, but I'm not made of money, and this will be the one and only UHD player I will be buying for the next couple/few years, so I want it to be the right one. I think for those that are considering this player, they might be wise to keep in mind that Sony's 2nd gen player is right around the corner in a few months, and that may hopefully introduce things like DV, HDR10+, and hopefully iron out some playback bugs. I'm not saying it's a bad player - it's probably the best UHD player out there aside of the Oppo, but like I said, a buggy player is a buggy player. I don't want to stress every time I pop a disc in if it's going to freeze up, especially when I have friends over. Nothing ruins a movie like your player freezing up. My old crappy Samsung DVD and blu-ray players used to stutter regularly and I swore I'd never buy another Samsung player.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by rroeder

Has it been determined if this will or will not get the DV update when Sony finally releases it?

Would like to replace my Samsuck but not ready to spend what $500-600? for Oppo

Sony told one of our insider members at CEDIA in Sept the X-800 will not get Dolby Vision. Either wait for CES about next gen 2018 players, or go for the Oppo 203. I wish we had a FAQ Where we could put this, I seem to post it every week.

The Oppo website has refurbished players from time to time. Members have reported they're about $110 less than full retail, and have full factory warranty.

I got mine through Magnolia (BBY).

[Sky_Captain]

Someone needs to edit the thread title and put 'NOT GETTING DV UPDATE', as it's being asked too damn often.

[Tony208]

DV debate will go on forever, but I bought another one of these players instead of the oppo. Spending $400 more just for the five or so DV titles that I have wasn't worth it for me. Gonna see what next year's players bring.

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

CE3K is indeed a triple layer disc, which I watched without incident on my X800. I did however get some freezing on another triple layer disc, King Kong.

Thanks for your reply. Looking at the CE3K UHD BD disc under a halogen light it looked to me like a three layer disc (three inner rings on reading side) but I wasn't 100% sure.
Problem sorted out with 3 layer discs, I went this morning to Mediamarkt and got a Hama (a German brand, some of their stuff is Chinese made, some is German made, the cleaner I got is made in Germany) wet cleaning CD, cleaned the pick up lens of the X-800, I played the whole UHD BD 1 again while I was doing other things at home and no freezing. This evening I watched two episodes on disc 2 and no freezing either. I guess either the player, reading 100 Gig discs or both are a hard task.

[cochon]

Originally Posted by Tony208

DV debate will go on forever, but I bought another one of these players instead of the oppo. Spending $400 more just for the five or so DV titles that I have wasn't worth it for me. Gonna see what next year's players bring.

Completely agree with that, I ordered my second one few days ago when it was 149, I can't justify the difference in price and I don't have even one DV movie.

One of the two main differences is the extent of brightness which if I remember right the specs says that it can go as high as 10000 nits but in reality you'll be lucky to find a consumer tv that reaches 1200-1300 nits peak brightness. Also do we really want to wear sunglasses when watching?

The other difference is that the signal is adjusted frame by frame, right? perhaps seems better on paper but I wonder how it will translate to real life, so far I have no way to compare but I doubt I'll need it that badly or the difference will justify going out of my way to have it, I did with the TV but I not rushing at Oppo's price versus the x800.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by cochon

Completely agree with that, I ordered my second one few days ago when it was 149, I can't justify the difference in price and I don't have even one DV movie.

One of the two main differences is the extent of brightness which if I remember right the specs says that it can go as high as 10000 nits but in reality you'll be lucky to find a consumer tv that reaches 1200-1300 nits peak brightness. Also do we really want to wear sunglasses when watching?

The other difference is that the signal is adjusted frame by frame, right? perhaps seems better on paper but I wonder how it will translate to real life, so far I have no way to compare but I doubt I'll need it that badly or the difference will justify going out of my way to have it, I did with the TV but I not rushing at Oppo's price versus the x800.

✨ Sunglasses are for the 3D BR versions; 4K is for not wearing sunglasses.
4K is for maximum light...brightness, contrast, dynamic pictures with maximum highlights in the whites and blacks, and all the colors between...wide range. ....4 times the 2K resolution (twice horizontally and twice vertically).

[Realist01]

When playing DVDs to i need to put dvd-rom 24p output to auto? Also do i keep the 4k upscale setting on auto 2 when playing a, dvd? What about a 4k movie, do i need to turn the upscale to off, auto1 or auto2?

Next do you leave hdmi deep color output to auto or off?

Lastly I see some turn on output video resolution to auto or original. Is there a difference between the two?

Thanks for all of you helping me with this.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Tony208

DV debate will go on forever, but I bought another one of these players instead of the oppo. Spending $400 more just for the five or so DV titles that I have wasn't worth it for me. Gonna see what next year's players bring.

I have a strong suspicion that Dolby Vision is going disappear from home video. If anything, it might be used for streaming, which could certainly help streaming shows look better, especially on weaker HDR sets. I just can't see an expensive HDR format that needs to be licensed will become the standard when another format already exists ready to go that offers the same benefits while not needing licensing.

Right now Dolby Vision is almost non-existent on UHD. As long as that continues, I don't care if the x800 supports it or not. But if HDR10+ takes off, I do care if the x800 doesn't offer support for that format. Right now I'm more concerned about the talk about freezing and locking up on discs more than lack of Dolby Vision. If this x800 was a solid player that doesn't freeze, I would feel a lot better about it. But I have read enough comments to make me question if buying a 1st gen player is a wise decision for somebody who can only afford one UHD player over the span of a few years. I think between the discs and the players, UHD still has growing pains and right now it's a bit spotty getting players and discs to play nice together.

[cochon]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

✨ Sunglasses are for the 3D BR versions; 4K is for not wearing sunglasses.
4K is for maximum light...brightness, contrast, dynamic pictures with maximum highlights in the whites and blacks, and all the colors between...wide range. ....4 times the 2K resolution (twice horizontally and twice vertically).

Thanks but I was referring to sunglasses because of the extreme amount of brightness DV's 10000 (or 4000 I don't remember which one) nit specs could potentially produce, that is if there was a consumer tv capable of reproducing them which at this time doesn't exist.

I like it to a point but I find regular HDR a bit too bright already on some scenes.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by cochon

Thanks but I was referring to sunglasses because of the extreme amount of brightness DV's 10000 (or 4000 I don't remember which one) nit specs could potentially produce, that is if there was a consumer tv capable of reproducing them which at this time doesn't exist.

I like it to a point but I find regular HDR a bit too bright already on some scenes.

I knew what you meant; I was just adding up in that line of thought.
TV manufacturers let go of the 3D feature, one of the reasons, to stay competitive in that brightness game of 4K. By adding 3D they were losing some of that brightness, even when watching 4K content. ...From my readings, if it isn't fake news...that and/or to save money.

And, it was perfectly in line with the new 4k Blu-ray standards, without including 3D...for many reasons...complex, more storage needed, the technology not up to it yet, ... and all the rest, from 3D sales shrinking and collapsing, plus Hollywood movie studios encouraging 4K HDR, Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos...Dolby Cinema, and for reinvigorating a new format cash flow that would work easier with the majority; the demise of sunglasses when watching movies...@ home, and now @ the cinema theaters.

We are still relatively new in the 4K phase; the 4K transfers are not all equally high quality taking full advantages, it will take few years, more jobs created, more cash flow, more money from the ticket sales, more emphasis on UHD 4K by making sure it will generare profits for years to come...growing in that direction of resolution...8K, 16K, with the highest dynamic range allowed from OLED, and the best front projectors.

IMAX 3D is shrinking, Dolby Cinema is expanding, the future of light and sound is in 2D super high definition. OLED is the best, even for watching 3D, for the lucky ones to have older sets from 2016, and before too.

2017 and 2018 are the revolution years; 4K full steam...screw the sunglasses. Screw 3D and screw putting Dolby Atmos with 3D Blu-ray...only with 4K Blu-ray discs.
I am not saying that, the industry is. How ever we decide to join or not we have no choice, no say from low minorities, this is the age of Aquarius; 4K, UHD, HDR, OLED, Dolby Atmos, Dolby Vision, Dolby Cinema, Hollywood, and the decline of the abusive world empire. It's a way of speech, to say that true progress can only be realized with dignity, respect, truth, equality, brightness (Nits).

⭐ ....Like a star in the midnight satin sky. ;-) ...Shining bright like a diamond.

[LordoftheRings]

We are lucky they are still making 4K Blu-ray players offering the 3D feature compatibility. ...And same for the 4K/3D front projectors.
And that makes the irony of not putting Dolby Atmos on 3D Blu-ray discs even more flabbergasting.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I knew what you meant; I was just adding up in that line of thought.
TV manufacturers let go of the 3D feature, one of the reasons, to stay competitive in that brightness game of 4K. By adding 3D they were losing some of that brightness, even when watching 4K content. ...From my readings, if it isn't fake news...that and/or to save money.

This is not correct according to LG. LG stated last year that dropping 3D had nothing to do with UHD/brightness. They said they just felt it wasn't something that was performing well enough to support and there was a lack of interest (which I disagree with). That's a poor reason to drop support of a current format that people still purchase and support.

The rest of your post explains why they really dropped 3D. They just want us to focus all our attention on 3D. Some people still have an interest 3D but the manufacturers don't want us to. As you said, extreme brightness and HDR are the new toys and that's what they want us to buy. Any other features are considered a distraction, so they removed it. It's an awful way to run things, because 3D should be considered a legacy feature by now since it's 7 years old and many people have a large collection built up. Instead, they've left us with no way to watch our collection, for no reason other than pushing us in the direction they want us to go next, since 3D wasn't the sell-through format they thought it would be (it was never going to be).

I find it interesting that so many UHD fans are glad to see 3D get the axe, when they're supporting a format that is also very new and could very well get the axe just as quickly just as soon as the first company decides it isn't the revenue-builder they wanted it to be. How would the UHD supporters in here feel if after buying all this equipment and building up a collection of UHD discs, they drop support? Well, that's how the 3D crowd feels. Especially frustrating when they overlap. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Not every film has to be 3D and neither is every movie/TV show in UHD/HDR. I will forever be watching my re-runs of Three's Company and Doctor Who classic in 480p, and that's not going to change. Different viewing choices for different content. The industry is obsessed with the new toy (HDR) and they want us to be too, just like they wanted us to be excited about 3D. And they have another surprise coming, because less people care about HDR than 3D. At least the majority of the public knows what 3D is and still pay extra for the tickets to see it in 3D at the theatre.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

We are lucky they are still making 4K Blu-ray players offering the 3D feature compatibility. ...And same for the 4K/3D front projectors.
And that makes the irony of not putting Dolby Atmos on 3D Blu-ray discs even more flabbergasting.

Samsung is "correcting" that next year by dropping 3D support from their UHD players. Of course this doesn't affect me because I will never buy another piece of Samsung electronics anyways, but it's just another push toward killing 3D when it isn't necessary to. Samsung delivered the first real blow to 3D when they dropped 3D from their TVs. Vizio had already dropped 3D too which hurt, but at least they had a reason I can sort of understand - they stopped using LG panels so they lost 3D support.

The reason I'm still keeping the x800 (or next year's model maybe) in mind is because it seems to be a player with outstanding media support, including 3D. If Sony drops 3D before they drop SACD support, it will prove that the industry truly has a grudge for 3D (I know that anyways)

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by mar3o

The reason I'm still keeping the x800 (or next year's model maybe) in mind is because it seems to be a player with outstanding media support, including 3D. If Sony drops 3D before they drop SACD support, it will prove that the industry truly has a grudge for 3D (I know that anyways)

3D is no more than a gimmick, very fake looking picture, SACD is sonic bliss. The fact that the X-800 plays SACDs was what convinced me about buying it.

[rroeder]

I don't care about DV now either, no content yet, but if I'm buying another player I want it to have support at least. I'll wait and just keep my Samsung for now, it works fine but just a few issues like audio sync and no info screen that bugs me.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

3D is no more than a gimmick, very fake looking picture.