Sony UBP-X800 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

The same happens with my combination of X-800 and Samsung 49" 4K HDR set. If I let the Sony UBP X-800 do the upscalling and with the player's picture settings set to Direct and not Auto, picture looks soft and lacking detail, like if some kind of Digital Noise Reduction was applied. With the X-800 resolution output set to Original Resolution picture looks very very nice and detailed. I don't know if this is an issue with the combination Sony player-Samsung T.V. set or if people using the X-800 with other brands T.V. sets have also noticed this. I guess that many people have not even tried setting the player's output to Auto or 4K.

I actually have the video resolution set to Auto. Didn't want it set to original resolution. This way it at least the player upscales the DVDs to 1080p.

I love the player, but there's a lot of trial and error getting the picture just right.

Also have it set to 4:2:2

[Geoff D]

Yes, SBMV is much the same principle for video as it is for audio: oversampling the bit depth at source so that you get finer gradations of colour which carry on down even into the final 8-bit (and now 10-bit with 4K) consumer version.

As for the OPPO,the 203 does not feature those options seen on the previous models, it's either Auto, 8, 10, or 12-bit. No dithering.

Re: in-play video settings it's got nothing to do with a Sony TV at all, that's only for the Auto 1 and Auto 2 4K upscaling settings back in the main system settings. Try playing a very grainy BD (not UHD) that you know well and switch between Auto and Direct (or any other picture mode for that matter), you should notice that the grain literally stops fizzing and become very static and frozen. It won't work on a paused image because it's entirely a temporal effect so you have to look at something in motion.

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Snikt

I actually have the video resolution set to Auto. Didn't want it set to original resolution. This way it at least the player upscales the DVDs to 1080p.

I love the player, but there's a lot of trial and error getting the picture just right.

Also have it set to 4:2:2

You have a Samsung 4K HDR set, right? If you set video resolution to Auto, don't you get all video sources upscaled to 4K?

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yes, SBMV is much the same principle for video as it is for audio: oversampling the bit depth at source so that you get finer gradations of colour which carry on down even into the final 8-bit (and now 10-bit with 4K) consumer version.

As for the OPPO,the 203 does not feature those options seen on the previous models, it's either Auto, 8, 10, or 12-bit. No dithering.

Re: in-play video settings it's got nothing to do with a Sony TV at all, that's only for the Auto 1 and Auto 2 4K upscaling settings back in the main system settings. Try playing a very grainy BD (not UHD) that you know well and switch between Auto and Direct (or any other picture mode for that matter), you should notice that the grain literally stops fizzing and become very static and frozen. It won't work on a paused image because it's entirely a temporal effect so you have to look at something in motion.

I haven't tested the Auto video setting with a grainy movie on BD or UHD BD, only clean looking movies, I didn't think about that. I have tried all the noise/grain and artifacts reduction on a Custom setting and I must say that the Sony X-800 does a great job at reducing film grain without scrubbing too much detail, I've seen professionally de-grained/de-noised BDs that look far worse than this setting on this player. I don't use it 'though as I don't like tampering with video or audio. As I said before, I want what's on the disc, as it's on the disc.

[Geoff D]

Agreed, the NR itself is pretty damned effective without making everything look like a smeary mess, if people require such a thing.

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

You have a Samsung 4K HDR set, right? If you set video resolution to Auto, don't you get all video sources upscaled to 4K?

You're correct. I do. I've just seen some people here say they set the video output resolution on the player to "original resolution." I leave it on "auto." And yes, the TV does upscale to 4K. I just meant when I leave it at auto, the player will displays the resolution at 1080; if you hit "display" for the sony player.

But don't all 4K tvs upscale? I thought they did. Even though if you hit "info" it'll show the resolution as 1080p; but that's the original source right? Like the playing a Blu-ray.

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Snikt

You're correct. I do. I've just seen some people here say they set the video output resolution on the player to "original resolution." I leave it on "auto." And yes, the TV does upscale to 4K. I just meant when I leave it at auto, the player will displays the resolution at 1080; if you hit "display" for the sony player.

But don't all 4K tvs upscale? I thought they did. Even though if you hit "info" it'll show the resolution as 1080p; but that's the original source right? Like the playing a Blu-ray.

With my combination of Sony UBP X-800 and Samsung UE49KU6400 if I set the X-800 output resolution to "Auto" I get 4K video output from BDs, last time I checked it was like this but as I may be wrong I'm checking it out in a moment.

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

With my combination of Sony UBP X-800 and Samsung UE49KU6400 if I set the X-800 output resolution to "Auto" I get 4K video output from BDs, last time I checked it was like this but as I may be wrong I'm checking it out in a moment.

For myself, I have the x800 set to "direct," the 4K upscaling set to "off" and the video output resolution set to "auto."

With this combo of my Samsung UN55JU7100 and Sony X800; and when I play a regular Blu-ray, I get these screen details:

From the Blu-ray player when I hit "display:"

1080/60p
SDR

The display from my TV when I press "INFO:"

1080/60p
UHD Color on.

Both the player and TV only display 2160 when I have the player video output resolution set to 4K or have it set on auto with the 4K upscaling setting set to "auto2."

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Snikt

For myself, I have the x800 set to "direct," the 4K upscaling set to "off" and the video output resolution set to "auto."

With this combo of my Samsung UN55JU7100 and Sony X800; and when I play a regular Blu-ray, I get these screen details:

From the Blu-ray player when I hit "display:"

1080/60p
SDR

The display from my TV when I press "INFO:"

1080/60p
UHD Color on.

Both the player and TV only display 2160 when I have the player video output resolution set to 4K or have it set on auto with the 4K upscaling setting set to "auto2."

I got the same result as you, you're right but I discovered something else: if you set Cinema Conversion Mode to "Auto" with your combination you get 24p, that is 24 frames per second, out of an NTSC DVD, instead of 60p if you set Cinema Conversion Mode to "Video". I think this gives better motion quality, less judder, as it does 3:2 pulldown, it discards repeated frames from a 24 fps film shot movie converted to 30 fps (actually 29.97) and 60 Hz. I haven't tried with any PAL DVD as with these there is no 3:2 pulldown, there's no way to recover the original film shot 24 fps as for PAL, the film reels are sped up to 25 fps when they are being scanned. Try with an NTSC movie DVD and see if you like 24 p/24 fps better than 30 fps/60 Hz.

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

I got the same result as you, you're right but I discovered something else: if you set Cinema Conversion Mode to "Auto" with your combination you get 24p, that is 24 frames per second, out of an NTSC DVD, instead of 60p if you set Cinema Conversion Mode to "Video". I think this gives better motion quality, less judder, as it does 3:2 pulldown, it discards repeated frames from a 24 fps film shot movie converted to 30 fps (actually 29.97) and 60 Hz. I haven't tried with any PAL DVD as with these there is no 3:2 pulldown, there's no way to recover the original film shot 24 fps as for PAL, the film reels are sped up to 25 fps when they are being scanned. Try with an NTSC movie DVD and see if you like 24 p/24 fps better than 30 fps/60 Hz.

I'm one of those people who actually hate the 24f/s lol . I hate the auto motion turned on in the TV settings and I hate having the 24 frames per second turned on.

Just not a fan of the films look with those settings. Auto motion plus gives the soap opera effect and the 24p (to me) looks almost as bad.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Snikt

I'm one of those people who actually hate the 24f/s lol . I hate the auto motion turned on in the TV settings and I hate having the 24 frames per second turned on.

Just not a fan of the films look with those settings. Auto motion plus gives the soap opera effect and the 24p (to me) looks almost as bad.

See, I don't get that. Most films are shot in 24fps so that's how I want to see them.

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

See, I don't get that. Most films are shot in 24fps in that's how I want to see them.

Me too, as I said before, I want what's on disc,as it is on disc.

[RustinCohle]

I now have two 4k discs that keep having the same audio drop at the same time with this player. Brawl in Cell Block 99 around 1:12 and Get Out around 0:50. The audio drop only happens with this player and can’t be replicated on my Xbox One S, they play fine on there. The audio drop happens with the soundbar or TV speakers, doesn’t matter which, and changing HDMI cables and inputs doesn’t work either.

[formula_nebula]

Originally Posted by RustinCohle

I now have two 4k discs that keep having the same audio drop at the same time with this player. Brawl in Cell Block 99 around 1:12 and Get Out around 0:50. The audio drop only happens with this player and can’t be replicated on my Xbox One S, they play fine on there. The audio drop happens with the soundbar or TV speakers, doesn’t matter which, and changing HDMI cables and inputs doesn’t work either.

Have you tried messing with any of the audio options on the player?

[aaronwt2065]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

@ eddie

When looking at the Spears & Munsil chroma patterns the 4:4:4 introduces a slight chroma alignment error in BD to 4K upscaling, 4:2:2 is cleaner.

If you set deep color to off then you'll get the proper 8-bit output from DVD and BD but UHD is still oversampled to 12-bit AFAIK.

I only get 8 bit with deep color off. No matter what I'm playing. I need deep color on auto to proper!y play UHD BDs above 8 bit. And then my 800 only outputs 12bit. Fortunately my Sony TV has no problem with a 12 bit input.

And having it at 12 bit out is the only way my x800 will pass the Spears and Munsil 10 bit quantization test. Since the x800 doesn't have a 10 bit output option.

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[RustinCohle]

Originally Posted by formula_nebula

Have you tried messing with any of the audio options on the player?

I have not. Everything is set to what it was from the factory.

[Geoff D]

Turn off BD AUDIO MIX. Not saying it'll help any in your specific case but it's as much use as a chocolate teapot so it can't hurt to turn it off.

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

See, I don't get that. Most films are shot in 24fps so that's how I want to see them.

Ok guys, I turned on the 24p setting. Seeing if I can get used to it. My TV has a 240 refresh rate too, so it's on the high end.

I'm watching The Wolverine on Blu-ray right now and it looks great. I really only notice it a little during slower moments. Can't tell during action scenes.

[Snikt]

Ok guys, I tried the 24p setting on for two movies. I honestly couldn't take it. It gave me a massive headache. I know that's how it's presented in movie theaters, but I read somewhere it's not as noticeable due to the dark setting and the massive screen.

But yeah, sorry. I'll stick with 1080/60p :-/

[LordoftheRings]

In all my players the 24p output is selected or it's on Auto. But I also live on the American continent.
It works with 4K, it works with 2K, it works with 480p, it works with 4K UHD Blu, it works with 1080p Blu, it works with DVD (they still make those), it works with 2D, it works with 3D.