Back to the Future Trilogy 4K UHD (1985-1990)

[zw94]

Originally Posted by slimdude

Uncertain of your age, you may not know anything about the laserdisc format what HDTV1080P is referring to.

I'm trying to figure out what the in the everloving heck that his spiel about laser disc has to do with the other user asking for the "To Be Continued..." to be reinstated on the 4K.

Age has nothing to do with it.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by zw94

I'm trying to figure out what the in the everloving heck that his spiel about laser disc has to do with the other user asking for the "To Be Continued..." to be reinstated on the 4K.

Age has nothing to do with it.

I have no idea.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by r9800pro

This is what annoyed me indeed. Time travel was a mere Deus ex machina for Endgame. They could've done anything they like without touching BttF.



Lol damn! You brought so many memories to me.
I used to bypass Macrovision (didn't even know its name back in the day!) by recording the VHS tapes with an ancient National Panasonic NV-7500 VCR. That sucker was huge and noisy and it was made in 1980 or 1981 iirc and it is still working till today.
Back in the early DVD days, I used to remove all copy protection including Macrovision on PC.

These days were so much fun lol

Finished watching Stranger Things Season 3 yesterday and I LOVED the references to BttF. One of them was... HILARIOUS

Just remembered watching a documentary about BttF and that Disney rejected it... saying it was an incest movie

Someone mentioned Back to the Future on VHS and it brought back some memories (I am against piracy but this movie triggered a detailed memory of an 80’s event). A high school I went to there was this one high school student that worked in a video rental store back in the 1980’s. Anyways this young employee of this video store would make illegal copies of movies onto blank VHS videotapes and sell them at the high school he attended. However, when Back to the Future came out on VHS in 1986 he tried to make a illegal bootlegged copy and sell the movie, however to his surprise he started getting returns from students because Back To the Future was one of the new movies that was encoded with the Macrovision copy protection system that made the picture quality very dark when one tried to copy the movie. That same high school student tried making a VHS copy from the original Laserdisc version of Back to the Future to obtain the best possible picture and sound onto a blank VHS tape. However, for some reason he never checked the copy, since even the original Laserdisc version of Back to the Future was encoded with Macrovision copy protection. Back in the 1985 to 1986 time frame Macrovision copy protection was new and people did not know how to defeat it, so that high school student ended up giving other high school students refunds since all the copies he made of Back To The Future were unwatchable since the picture would fade to black every few seconds or so. Years later third party companies started releasing external Macrovision copy protection removal boxes with composite video jacks and later on S-Video jacks (I never purchased one but they were popular in the late 80’s and 90’s). Macrovision ended up suing some of the third party companies to get most of the boxes removed from the market. By the way 99% of all Laserdisc movies are not encoded with Macrovision since videophiles complained to the studios that Macrovision sometimes lowered the picture quality when watching the movie on certain consumer video displays. Since most Laserdiscs were not encoded with Macrovision this is one of the reasons why some very popular box office movies had a 2 month delay before they were released on the Laserdisc format.

[r9800pro]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Someone mentioned Back to the Future on VHS and it brought back some memories (I am against piracy but this movie triggered a detailed memory of an 80’s event). A high school I went to there was this one high school student that worked in a video rental store back in the 1980’s. Anyways this young employee of this video store would make illegal copies of movies onto blank VHS videotapes and sell them at the high school he attended. However, when Back to the Future came out on VHS in 1986 he tried to make a illegal bootlegged copy and sell the movie, however to his surprise he started getting returns from students because Back To the Future was one of the new movies that was encoded with the Macrovision copy protection system that made the picture quality very dark when one tried to copy the movie. That same high school student tried making a VHS copy from the original Laserdisc version of Back to the Future to obtain the best possible picture and sound onto a blank VHS tape. However, for some reason he never checked the copy, since even the original Laserdisc version of Back to the Future was encoded with Macrovision copy protection. Back in the 1985 to 1986 time frame Macrovision copy protection was new and people did not know how to defeat it, so that high school student ended up giving other high school students refunds since all the copies he made of Back To The Future were unwatchable since the picture would fade to black every few seconds or so. Years later third party companies started releasing external Macrovision copy protection removal boxes with composite video jacks and later on S-Video jacks (I never purchased one but they were popular in the late 80’s and 90’s). Macrovision ended up suing some of the third party companies to get most of the boxes removed from the market. By the way 99% of all Laserdisc movies are not encoded with Macrovision since videophiles complained to the studios that Macrovision sometimes lowered the picture quality when watching the movie on certain consumer video displays. Since most Laserdiscs were not encoded with Macrovision this is one of the reasons why some very popular box office movies had a 2 month delay before they were released on the Laserdisc format.

Actually, my experience with the first VHS tapes with Macrovision was very similar.

Here in Egypt, movies on VHS were never sold to normal people but to video rental stores and I had a friend who owned one of these stores.

I used to make copies for myself for movies I really loved because there was no other way and tbh, the term "piracy" was not very popular here back in the days for personal use.
That friend was hit with Macrovision too as he had 2 VCRs and used to copy some highly popular movies for rent (and he faced a Copyright felony back then and paid a hefty fine) but when Macrovision started, he couldn't understand the issue and he was shocked to see I had some normal quality copies of the movies he failed to copy.
He asked me to copy some for him but I refused since I knew it is illegal for him to use such copies. He then bought a used old VCR like the model I had to bypass Macrovision.

One other hard solution in the late 90s was to have a PC with Video In/Out and that also bypassed Macrovision.

I also remember it only affected certain studios like Universal, Paramount, Touchstone and Dreamworks for example but didn't see it with Fox, MGM and WB.

[goodnitesteve]

Originally Posted by r9800pro

Actually, my experience with the first VHS tapes with Macrovision was very similar.

Here in Egypt, movies on VHS were never sold to normal people but to video rental stores and I had a friend who owned one of these stores.

I used to make copies for myself for movies I really loved because there was no other way and tbh, the term "piracy" was not very popular here back in the days for personal use.
That friend was hit with Macrovision too as he had 2 VCRs and used to copy some highly popular movies for rent (and he faced a Copyright felony back then and paid a hefty fine) but when Macrovision started, he couldn't understand the issue and he was shocked to see I had some normal quality copies of the movies he failed to copy.
He asked me to copy some for him but I refused since I knew it is illegal for him to use such copies. He then bought a used old VCR like the model I had to bypass Macrovision.

One other hard solution in the late 90s was to have a PC with Video In/Out and that also bypassed Macrovision.

I also remember it only affected certain studios like Universal, Paramount, Touchstone and Dreamworks for example but didn't see it with Fox, MGM and WB.

When I was a kid around 1997, Back to the Future (the original) was really hard to find on VHS. There was a moratorium on it apparently, no one could order it for me, Blockbuster etc. So I was six and I really wanted to have a copy for myself. I rented the tape from my local library. I taped the movie off TBS (Dinner and a movie, I think), made a fake label, and returned the movie to the library with my fake copy. Granted, I was six and only had access to glue, paper, and pencil, so it did not come out looking good at all. It's actually pretty embarrassing to admit. My parents were furious, I returned the tape, and I thought I was banned from the library forever. My dad eventually tracked down the box set with the fourth tape which was hosted by Kirk Cameron. I think it cost $75 back in the day.

I never really think of the film without thinking of the criminal in me at six years old, even after I bought the films on dvd and bluray.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by goodnitesteve

When I was a kid around 1997, Back to the Future (the original) was really hard to find on VHS. There was a moratorium on it apparently, no one could order it for me, Blockbuster etc. So I was six and I really wanted to have a copy for myself. I rented the tape from my local library. I taped the movie off TBS (Dinner and a movie, I think), made a fake label, and returned the movie to the library with my fake copy. Granted, I was six and only had access to glue, paper, and pencil, so it did not come out looking good at all. It's actually pretty embarrassing to admit. My parents were furious, I returned the tape, and I thought I was banned from the library forever. My dad eventually tracked down the box set with the fourth tape which was hosted by Kirk Cameron. I think it cost $75 back in the day.

Am I understanding this correctly... At 6 years old, you wanted a better copy than you could get by recording a broadcast, so you recorded a broadcast and then swapped that recording for a commercial copy from your local library... ?

You, sir, are a king among men.

[Colson]

Originally Posted by goodnitesteve

When I was a kid around 1997, Back to the Future (the original) was really hard to find on VHS. There was a moratorium on it apparently, no one could order it for me, Blockbuster etc. So I was six and I really wanted to have a copy for myself. I rented the tape from my local library. I taped the movie off TBS (Dinner and a movie, I think), made a fake label, and returned the movie to the library with my fake copy. Granted, I was six and only had access to glue, paper, and pencil, so it did not come out looking good at all. It's actually pretty embarrassing to admit. My parents were furious, I returned the tape, and I thought I was banned from the library forever. My dad eventually tracked down the box set with the fourth tape which was hosted by Kirk Cameron. I think it cost $75 back in the day.

I never really think of the film without thinking of the criminal in me at six years old, even after I bought the films on dvd and bluray.

This is such an amazing story, thanks for sharing.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by goodnitesteve

When I was a kid around 1997, Back to the Future (the original) was really hard to find on VHS. There was a moratorium on it apparently, no one could order it for me, Blockbuster etc. So I was six and I really wanted to have a copy for myself. I rented the tape from my local library. I taped the movie off TBS (Dinner and a movie, I think), made a fake label, and returned the movie to the library with my fake copy. Granted, I was six and only had access to glue, paper, and pencil, so it did not come out looking good at all. It's actually pretty embarrassing to admit. My parents were furious, I returned the tape, and I thought I was banned from the library forever. My dad eventually tracked down the box set with the fourth tape which was hosted by Kirk Cameron. I think it cost $75 back in the day.

I never really think of the film without thinking of the criminal in me at six years old, even after I bought the films on dvd and bluray.

Be careful. If Slimdude sees this she’ll report you to Dateline.

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by goodnitesteve

When I was a kid around 1997, Back to the Future (the original) was really hard to find on VHS. There was a moratorium on it apparently, no one could order it for me, Blockbuster etc. So I was six and I really wanted to have a copy for myself. I rented the tape from my local library. I taped the movie off TBS (Dinner and a movie, I think), made a fake label, and returned the movie to the library with my fake copy. Granted, I was six and only had access to glue, paper, and pencil, so it did not come out looking good at all. It's actually pretty embarrassing to admit. My parents were furious, I returned the tape, and I thought I was banned from the library forever. My dad eventually tracked down the box set with the fourth tape which was hosted by Kirk Cameron. I think it cost $75 back in the day.

I never really think of the film without thinking of the criminal in me at six years old, even after I bought the films on dvd and bluray.

That's hilarious! Nice try though.

Too bad 6-year-old you didn't figure out that you could simply unscrew the cassettes, open them up and swap the videotape spools.

I remember that I recorded the first BTTF off of a cable broadcast (so unedited, uninterrupted) and was proud as shit that I now "owned" BTTF on video.

[sharky1999]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

I have to watch it again (just saw it once), but

[Show spoiler] why couldn't they have done the same and gone and brought Black Widow from the past back the same way too.

[Show spoiler]I guess cause it's not a good guy thing to do. As in, they feel it's wrong to mess with another reality. They got away with stealing the infinity stones only because the put them back later. In theory you are correct.
They could have just gone and got another Black Widow from some other reality/time

[welcometothepartypal]

Originally Posted by RCRochester

That's hilarious! Nice try though.

Too bad 6-year-old you didn't figure out that you could simply unscrew the cassettes, open them up and swap the videotape spools.

I remember that I recorded the first BTTF off of a cable broadcast (so unedited, uninterrupted) and was proud as shit that I now "owned" BTTF on video.

That's exactly what I did when HBO offered a free weekend to entice people subscribe. I would choose the slow speed option on my VCR so I could put three movies on one cassette. I think the BTTF cassette also had Return of the Jedi and Fletch.

[Fat Phil]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Be careful. If Slimdude sees this she’ll report you to Dateline.

[Show spoiler]

[goodnitesteve]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Am I understanding this correctly... At 6 years old, you wanted a better copy than you could get by recording a broadcast, so you recorded a broadcast and then swapped that recording for a commercial copy from your local library... ?

You, sir, are a king among men.

Yes sir, and it was a dinner and a movie segment. Not sure what food they made to go with Back to the Future, but it's in this book.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/07...6YW3HWK55XCGG2

[HDTV1080P]

In the 20th Century all backup copies of analog Laserdisc, BETA, and VHS tapes were always lossy copies and each generation of the copy 100% of the time had a lower analog video and audio quality when compared to the original. That was true for both homemade movies and copywrited Hollywood movies. This is one of the reasons why I refused to watch illegal copies since they were always lower quality when compared to the original Laserdisc or videotape (counterfeit Laserdiscs never existed since it required a million dollar optical disc factory to stamp a Laserdisc). I always rented or purchased the Laserdisc movie and watched it at home in the late 80’s and 90’s (Laserdiscs also had lossless 2.0 PCM digital stereo, and lossy digital 5.1 Dolby Digital and lossy 5.1 DTS surround sound).

In 1997 the digital DVD format was released in the United States and for the very first-time consumer had digital video, plus similar digital sound quality that the Laserdisc format offered. For 2 years the DVD format was secure until someone compromised the DVD CSS encryption system in 1999. In the 21st Century for the very first time consumers started making bit for bit perfect copies of DVD movies on their personal computers with DVD-ROM style computer drives. In the early 21st Century the DVD backup software that removed the CSS encryption system became so popular that even retail stores like Best Buy by accident had the software on their store shelfs for around a month (However Best Buy removed the software from their retail stores after they realized the backup software they were selling removed the CSS encryption from the DVD format and allowed consumer to make a perfect DVD copy). I think this might have been around the year 2004 but I would need to verify that date.

The 2006 Blu-ray format and 2016 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray format uses renewable AACS security keys to keep people from making unauthorized copies (BD+ and other security methods). Therefore anyone thinking about making a backup copy of the new coming soon 4K Ultra HD trilogy of Back to The Future are not going to be able to since those movies will use secure unbroken encryption when they are released. In addition blank BD-66 and BD-100 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs do not exist on the market only blank BDXL Blu-ray discs 100GB and 128GB exist which are not compatible with standalone 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray players.

[Geoff D]

Um...you know UHD was cracked like several years ago?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Um...you know UHD was cracked like several years ago?

It ues renewable security and there is no blank discs. So one would have to copy the image to a hard drive server if they are able to make a copy.

https://www.avforums.com/news/has-4k...-cracked.14001

http://www.digital-digest.com/news-6...n-Cracked.html

[nick4Knight]

Lol @ above...

Anyway. I never had to bother about any bootleg VHS in my childhood as my father purchased BTTF in 1990. Think it was a 1988 australian (village roadshow) VHS -- Now, when it came to VHS I only had like 15 actual copies I owned by 1996 -- Most my collection was recorded off rentals at blockbuster, but I also rented lots of them still for the better PQ during school holidays for my favourites.

I still have the boxes of VHS rips though. Some were in LP doubled up onto 5 hour tapes.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Um...you know UHD was cracked like several years ago?

Man what I wouldn't give to see your reactions to these threads in person.

[Hardback247]

Can any of you name any 4K Blu-Rays that are vastly inferior to the original regular Blu-Rays?

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Can any of you name any 4K Blu-Rays that are vastly inferior to the original regular Blu-Rays?

Blade Runner 82 4K, for me, was a vast improvement over the Blu-ray.