Back to the Future Trilogy 4K UHD (1985-1990)

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by batman2000

is there even a sliver of hope for Jurassic park and the fast and the furious films?

I doubt Universal will ever re-release Jurassic Park on UHD disc let alone with a proper transfer since it's such a niche format.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I doubt Universal will ever re-release Jurassic Park on UHD disc let alone with a proper transfer since it's such a niche format.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I doubt Universal will ever re-release Jurassic Park on UHD disc let alone with a proper transfer since it's such a niche format.

And of that niche, what percentage even cares? I feel like with UHD BD, you get one shot. Any additional studio spending and resources will go to a different title versus a UHD remaster (or let alone re-encode which we often saw with regular Blus).

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by batman2000

Unfortunately, some titles seem like they are forever doomed to mediocrity, or, in some cases disasters.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by batman2000

I'm hoping beyond hope that it's a true remaster from the original camera negatives with no errors to effects no edge enhancement no major grain reduction. it gives me hope for films like army of darkness and yes mallrats these two titles are only a matter of time. it's too bad Jurassic park the fast and the furious films and I think the mummy trilogy are doomed to have the crappy edge enhanced and grain reduction transfers on uhd blu ray.

I fully agree that they bodged the older Jurassic Parks (except for Lost World, go figure) but the Mummies look fantastic and what's wrong with the Fast and Furious movies, aside from Tokyo Drift? One and two got brand new transfers which look rather good and from four onwards they're all very competent uprezzes from 2K DIs, no better or worse than any other studio upscaling from DIs.

While I'll never fully let my guard down when it comes to Universal - Waterworld being a recent misfire, being a reminder that the risk always lives - I no longer have an ingrained knee-jerk response to them either. The gorgeousness of new transfers like Casino, Hulk, Scorpion King, Lebowski, the first two Mummies etc is enough to give them the benefit of the doubt. Freakosauruses need not apply

[ROSS.T.G.]

Don’t forget Backdraft, American Gangster, and Field of Dreams.

[Geoff D]

And Scarface, but I'm conscious there of only mentioning discs that I've seen with mein own eyes...and even that prior list is enough to give Uni a break from the constant negativity. Famous last words I guess if BTTF ends up being borked, but I'm not fearing their involvement as it stands.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Originally Posted by The Edge

1. Where, where?!

I cant go into too much detail due to this sites rules, but i was told its on some private tracker sites. I dont have a copy and thats all i will say.

[VirtuaBranson]

Originally Posted by batman2000

is there even a sliver of hope for Jurassic park and the fast and the furious films?

Aside from Tokyo Drift what was bad about the FaF films?

[chrislong2]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Agreed on all counts. I mean, I'm someone who's gone on record to say that they don't mind the 'little off the top' attitude towards film grain on 4K, particularly when faced with Sony's ultra-grain on their older 35mm LightCannon™ HDR remasters, so chrislong will be pleased to note that I know where he's coming from.

But there are applications of "grain management" that are done with taste, restraint and respect...and then there's what was done to BTTF. As noted, it's not THE most hideous transfer I've ever seen on Blu but nor is it anywhere near "pretty good", them taking what was already a creaky old HD telecine and hitting it with plenty of extra processing to make it 'pop'.

As HH says, if this is handled right then they won't look anywhere near as jacked-up as what the Blu-rays do, the EE imparting a very false sense of extra sharpness that will no doubt fool the average goober into thinking that the UHD is "softer". (Ditto for the Star Wars OT, again with the proviso of it being handled correctly for 4K in the first place.)

Well, I've actually been re-watching them in the last few days, and I have to say that yes they do "pop" and if this was an old HD master they used, they did a magnificent job in processing it to make it look much newer. It may be a "false sense of extra sharpness", but it's quite good "false sense of extra sharpness".

But whether they look pretty good or not I guess depends on what standard one is using (I guess this is always the case though LOL). The blu's (I'm talking the original VC1 ones) definitely don't look very filmic and they definitely have a more "modern" digitally-shot look to them, which I think clear is what they were purposely trying to do for the blu's. Honestly, I don't particularly mind that a whole lot in this case. I do with some films, but I guess with this franchise given the subject matter and type of movies they are, it just doesn't really bother me a whole lot. I'm actually not even sure I WANT to see a bunch more grain on these - I actually kind of like the more modern, digitally-shot look they have on the blu's - it fits the mood of the films for me (particularly part 2). I feel the same way about Home Alone - when they did a new 4k scan of Home Alone and put out a new blu, it was noticeably grainier than the previous blu, but given the type of movie it is, I didn't actually care for that - the grain actually took me out of the story. But I get that that's not a popular thing to say around these parts - nobody's going to applaud me for saying that. (they didn't on the Home Alone thread either LOL). And speaking of Home Alone, it's overdue for a UHD release... For most discs though I do usually like them to retain grain, just not overpowering amounts of it as some do (we agree on this). Most of those "goobers" you mention aren't watching movies to see grain, they are watching movies to see stories. And to me, if I'm constantly thinking "wow, look at all that grain" when watching a movie instead of just being engrossed in the story I'm watching on-screen, then there's too much grain IMHO...

Anyway, I have no idea what Uni will do with the 4k's. Despite my being reasonably ok with the blu's, I am definitely ok with the UHD having a more filmic look as long as it's done in a balanced way. Hopefully they'll hit that sweet spot where they look awesome and you can still definitely tell they are film.

[Geoff D]

I thought Home Alone looked gorgeous on the new BD aside from the compression, in any case it dumps over all the BTTFs for looking more like film and less like processed video shite. If someone doesn't like how film looks then there's not much we can do about that. But given how hilariously dated the "future" now looks in BTTF 2 (love those bundles of trashed laserdiscs, lol) I should think that a transfer which makes it look like it was shot in the late '80s would be absolutely perfect for it.

The heck of it is, given the subject matter at hand, that Universal have straddled that line better than most when it comes to "grain management" on UHD. Warners tend to filter off a bit too much while Sony DGAF and put that untouched grain right out there with loads of brightness which boosts it even more, but Uni regularly seem to hit that sweet spot of having just enough to convince yet it doesn't overwhelm. So I think you'll be alright with BTTF, not having to be distracted too much by that grain stuff.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I thought Home Alone looked gorgeous on the new BD aside from the compression, in any case it dumps over all the BTTFs for looking more like film and less like processed video shite. If someone doesn't like how film looks then there's not much we can do about that. But given how hilariously dated the "future" now looks in BTTF 2 (love those bundles of trashed laserdiscs, lol) I should think that a transfer which makes it look like it was shot in the late '80s would be absolutely perfect for it.

The heck of it is, given the subject matter at hand, that Universal have straddled that line better than most when it comes to "grain management" on UHD. Warners tend to filter off a bit too much while Sony DGAF and put that untouched grain right out there with loads of brightness which boosts it even more, but Uni regularly seem to hit that sweet spot of having just enough to convince yet it doesn't overwhelm. So I think you'll be alright with BTTF, not having to be distracted too much by that grain stuff.

now the Disney owns home alone it sounds like they won't release it on uhd blu ray which is too bad for it home alone 2 and the tons of other fox films

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by batman2000

now the Disney owns home alone it sounds like they won't release it on uhd blu ray which is too bad for it home alone 2 and the tons of other fox films

There wasn't a massive chance of Fox releasing it themselves, never mind what's happening under Disnee's watch.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There wasn't a massive chance of Fox releasing it themselves, never mind what's happening under Disnee's watch.

it's worse because if it was any other company that owned fox they might have had a uhd blu ray release but Disney. Disney cares only about their bottom line more than any other company out there so this is the worse thing that could happen to media.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There wasn't a massive chance of Fox releasing it themselves, never mind what's happening under Disnee's watch.

Stop ruining my hopes of a Disney Xenomorph Princess edition UHD for the Alien Quadtrilogy

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I have never even tried to make a backup copy of a store purchased Blu-ray movie since it is to much work and time involved with the renewable security system. 99% of consumers when they connect a 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray computer drive up to their computer cannot even play 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray’s legally since the SGX security is so tight. Purchase a high-end AMD motherboard, high-end Apple computer, or high-end X299 Intel motherboard and 100% of the time one is not allowed to play legal store purchased 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray movies because of the mandated SGX security. Then if one can find a rare Intel based motherboard and CPU that supports SGX they are not allowed to use a PCI-E slot based external graphics card and have to use the graphics card built on the motherboard.

For example I have a 4 year old X99 motherboard with 128GB of memory and my LG computer monitor supports HDCP 2.2 with HDMI 2.0. I can stream 4K movies online from online streaming companies, but I am not allowed to play native store purchased 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs unless I downgrade my CPU and motherboard to a select model on the market that has SGX security technology.

Perhaps maybe I need to rip my store purchased 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs to a 16TB hard drive using special software so that I can legally play the 4K Blu-ray’s back on the computer that I purchased. I wish some company would release a authorized software solution to SGX security technology so that one can play store purchased 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs back on any high-end computer released in the last 4 years.

Yeah, i can't believe how ridiculous it is on the computer side with 4k. i wouldn't even know where to start, but for a laptop I'd expect I'd have to buy it all preconfigured and certified for it. A desktop I guess I'd have to figure all the compatible cards and monitors. Just not worth it.

Even 1080p iTunes only laptop is an issue. I have this idiotic situation with iTunes in that every time it updates it disabled the default settings to download in 1080p as it says my computer may not be able to play it. I only download it so I can stream via homeshare to my Apple TV so I'm not subject to internet when watching.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

Yeah, i can't believe how ridiculous it is on the computer side with 4k. i wouldn't even know where to start, but for a laptop I'd expect I'd have to buy it all preconfigured and certified for it. A desktop I guess I'd have to figure all the compatible cards and monitors. Just not worth it.

Even 1080p iTunes only laptop is an issue. I have this idiotic situation with iTunes in that every time it updates it disabled the default settings to download in 1080p as it says my computer may not be able to play it. I only download it so I can stream via homeshare to my Apple TV so I'm not subject to internet when watching.

yeah, it's ridiclous, they went way overboard with DRM this time and all it does is backfire, hasn't stopped anything, but has driven some customers away or had them spend so much on new equipment they now spend less on discs

(that said there is a rather cheap software bit, from a company with amazing customer service and honor in the way they treat their customers, that does let you play your discs on PC and you don't have to get a new CPU/motherboard/this and that and hope it somehow works and redo that everytime they add some new dumb extra DRM level, just use whatever you have (well you may need a nice video card with HEVC and proper outputs but nothing beyond that) and, better, using far more advanced (and free) software than the typical stuff, you might have to, at times, wait a few days to a few months for some titles to work with the lowest priced, nicest special software, but whatever, worht it and lots of stuff works day 1 or within a week, if you are lucky to own an old copy of another bit of software you can even swap a file over and avoid the stupid, ridiculous PAP audio downsampling nonsense too, although no Atmos)

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Stop ruining my hopes of a Disney Xenomorph Princess edition UHD for the Alien Quadtrilogy

We are damn lucky to have Alien, Die Hard, and the Predators.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Unfortunately, some titles seem like they are forever doomed to mediocrity, or, in some cases disasters.

Studio releases, yes, but anytime a boutique label comes in and licenses a studio film, like Arrow does, it's a cause for celebration. Arrow has a healthy relationship with Universal but some properties just aren't attainable. Still, it seems odd that the studio is willing to license certain films and not others. For instance, Arrow has already licensed Waterworld, 12 Monkeys, The 'Burbs, American Werewolf In London and other big guns but others, like BTTF, are off-limits. Hopefully the studio is planning to properly remaster the trilogy for UHD. I think they've had a pretty solid record on UHD so far.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

Studio releases, yes, but anytime a boutique label comes in and licenses a studio film, like Arrow does, it's a cause for celebration. Arrow has a healthy relationship with Universal but some properties just aren't attainable. Still, it seems odd that the studio is willing to license certain films and not others. For instance, Arrow has already licensed Waterworld, 12 Monkeys, The 'Burbs, American Werewolf In London and other big guns but others, like BTTF, are off-limits. Hopefully the studio is planning to properly remaster the trilogy for UHD. I think they've had a pretty solid record on UHD so far.

They have with the exception of The Bourne Identity and maybe a few others. My biggest beef is that Universal continues to recycle the old BDs instead of putting the new transfer on the accompanying BD. After Casino and American Gangster it's becoming old. However, it was nice to see a new BD with Scarface.