4K Movies Releases

[Geoff D]

I've seen the new remaster of Die Hard (sans HDR) in the theater and it was lovely, the colour was far removed from the current versions which are much too warm (and I don't mean that as Revisionist Me, I've felt that way ever since the perma-tanned THX transfers appeared in the mid-'90s).

If Fox offered a UHD boxset of the Die Hard flicks first up then I'm not sure I could hold out! Die Hard is my favourite film and it was one of the first titles I bought on many of the respective formats that I've owned over the years (VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, DVHS and Blu-ray).

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've seen the new remaster of Die Hard (sans HDR) in the theater and it was lovely, the colour was far removed from the current versions which are much too warm (and I don't mean that as Revisionist Me, I've felt that way ever since the perma-tanned THX transfers appeared in the mid-'90s).

If Fox offered a UHD boxset of the Die Hard flicks first up then I'm not sure I could hold out! Die Hard is my favourite film and it was one of the first titles I bought on many of the respective formats that I've owned over the years (VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, DVHS and Blu-ray).

Did I show you the version?
The blue look of it, did it match the new master

[Geoff D]

I think you did but I can't find it in my PMs, I couldn't say yay or nay on the basis of a few tiny caps anyway. What I remember was how strong the primaries looked, the reds and blues of the lights on the police cars were vividly saturated.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Fox have been less than honest in the past, but the new die hard master is at least 3 years old.
Could it have had an HDR pass then? Sure.

Perhaps in an alternate universe. In fact, I would be surprised if that project received anything more than the typical 10bit log DPX output from the scanner (which does not capture all the dynamic range of the camera negative).

Discussion from Sept. 2014….

Originally Posted by singhcr

...Thanks for the info and video link....What color space/bit depth is usually used for film scanning and eventual DI creation for restored or new movies?

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Usually? I’d say, with a project in which a facility scans 35mm film at ‘4K’ (which is actually somewhat misleading because the Northlight 2 has an 8K CCD array which produces 4K files), they’ll output at 10bit log DPX.

Now, best practice that some cutting edge facilities (which have the storage capacity) follow? Scan the neg and output at 16bit DPX. From there, uncorrected content intended for theatrical presentation is graded in DCI P3 space and for theatrical deliverables, P3 is converted to XYZ color space (12 bit pixel depth). For home deliverables (like for instance HD Blu-rays), I’ve already posted the color management pipeline explaining about the ODT and trim pass even revealing typical booking times reserved by Producers for the process here...https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...im#post9623181

Regarding best practice for a DI workflow? That be 16 bit OpenEXR....

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think you did but I can't find it in my PMs, I couldn't say yay or nay on the basis of a few tiny caps anyway. What I remember was how strong the primaries looked, the reds and blues of the lights on the police cars were vividly saturated.

Your PM's are full I think, I will send you something later or in the AM that is not a tiny PIC

[Penton-Man]

PeterTHX, I forgot to give you a heads-up. If interested, you may still be able to get in. There’s eats too….. https://www.smpte.org/sections/hollywood

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Your PM's are full I think, I will send you something later or in the AM that is not a tiny PIC

You do send some tiny-ass caps though.

As for Die Hard, the UHD version on MGO isn't with HDR, has it been released elsewhere with HDR which has got you so concerned about it?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So skimming very quickly admittedly without reading all those posts carefully, I take it Roger doesn’t rave about it like David S., the Chair of the ASC Camera Technology Sub Committee…. https://www.arri.com/news/news/alexa...-in-hollywood/

or, as does Chivo…..
http://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com...duction/612126

mike, anything new from Roger Deakins in regards to his thoughts about the Alexa 65 since those comments posted in the link provided by Pieter V on the last page?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You do send some tiny-ass caps though.

As for Die Hard, the UHD version on MGO isn't with HDR, has it been released elsewhere with HDR which has got you so concerned about it?

I thought it was, the 4k version at least my mistake, but the disc will be obviously, unless Fox make me happy and ditch it with catalogue titles

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I thought it was, the 4k version at least my mistake, but the disc will be obviously, unless Fox make me happy and ditch it with catalogue titles

I can see where you're coming from with the disc-based version, as the two versions of X-Men DOFP on MGO are not both in HDR (only the Rogue Cut is, the theatrical is SDR) and yet it appears as if the UHD Blu version mit neue HDR will be the theatrical cut, so...

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I can see where you're coming from with the disc-based version, as the two versions of X-Men DOFP on MGO are not in HDR (only the Rogue Cut is, the theatrical is SDR) and yet it appears as if the UHD Blu version mit neue HDR will be the theatrical cut, so...

Yeah I just had the exact same thought looking at their line up.

[Penton-Man]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...a#post11731292

Update to ^ post.
Complete report for the SMPTE Dec. meeting from Atlanta finished and now (today) officially posted online….https://www.smpte.org/standards/meeting-reports

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So skimming very quickly admittedly without reading all those posts carefully, I take it Roger doesn’t rave about it like David S., the Chair of the ASC Camera Technology Sub Committee…. https://www.arri.com/news/news/alexa...-in-hollywood/

or, as does Chivo…..
http://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com...duction/612126

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

mike, anything new from Roger Deakins in regards to his thoughts about the Alexa 65 since those comments posted in the link provided by Pieter V on the last page?

from fellow cinematographers and Steven S....

'The Revenant' Cinematographer Emmanuel "Chivoâ€� Lubezki -Â* Variety Artisans - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's odd, the spec for Force Awakens has been changed back to 4K at IMDB. Wishful thinking by an editor, or do they know something we don't?

Wishful thinking, they were correct the first time around (4K scan, 2K finish).

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I can see where you're coming from with the disc-based version, as the two versions of X-Men DOFP on MGO are not both in HDR (only the Rogue Cut is, the theatrical is SDR) and yet it appears as if the UHD Blu version mit neue HDR will be the theatrical cut, so...

Your pms are still full

[Daz_85]

Wait.... there's a UHD version of Die Hard now available?! Would love to see some screenshots or a comparison to the Blu if possible

[BarneyBronson]

Originally Posted by Daz_85

Wait.... there's a UHD version of Die Hard now available?! Would love to see some screenshots or a comparison to the Blu if possible

i believe they were saying they wished it was on UHD but it was remastered and shown at the cinema

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Wishful thinking, they were correct the first time around (4K scan, 2K finish).

Indeed, the ASC article (now I've read the whole thing) confirms that it was delivered at 2K. [edit: I'm thinking that whoever's edited the IMDB info has mistaken the info in the article for a 4K finish]

But as Spike said, at least they've got the raw materials to work from should Disney realise that there's this newfangled 4K thingy doing the rounds. It's strange that a studio which always seemed to be at the cutting edge of tech is now lagging so badly behind with 4K. Still, Tomorrowland was hopefully the start.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Daz_85

Wait.... there's a UHD version of Die Hard now available?! Would love to see some screenshots or a comparison to the Blu if possible

You'll need a recent Samsung 4K TV with MGO to be able to download & view it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Indeed, the ASC article (now I've read the whole thing) confirms that it was delivered at 2K. [edit: I'm thinking that whoever's edited the IMDB info has mistaken the info in the article for a 4K finish]

but....but....isn't IMDB the 'gold standard'?

Haven’t gotten around to reading the AC article on Force Awakens yet, but so as not to miss a good opportunity, I can remind locals, as I’ve spoken about the venue and assembled experts before with regards to HDR

that thee annual ASC Open House is coming up in little over two weeks….http://www.theasc.com/site/news/asc-open-house-feb-13/ , just prior to HPA (the desert retreat also posted about for years on Blu-ray.com). If one can't afford the time for the later, the former is something to consider.