4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

Great article. Thanks for posting it.

Plus, I would say that with good up-conversion, seeing (well, at least for 72 *unbiased observers viewing 6 different motion sequences) any difference between *UNCOMPRESSED (*meaning raw camera capture) 4K imagery @ 50-60fps and that same exact imagery reformatted to HD (1080) and then up-converted to 4K is extremely marginal at ~ 3 - 4 picture heights from the screen….that’s how good…..good up-conversion can be.

[Penton-Man]

Sap, are you around?

Well? - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ge#post7842476

Plus, if you happen to be a federal gov. employee, here is a small but deservedly applauded consolation offered by the private sector during your time off… http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-...ring-shutdown/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Sap, are you around?

Well? - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ge#post7842476

Or, if that’s too easy, we can do another quiz on motion blur… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...fr#post8203353

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Sap, here’s something for you to look forward to both in terms of aesthetic bliss (film) and a challenge. Captain Phillips was shot mostly on Fuji film and boasts a 4K finish… http://www.captainphillipsmovie.com/site/

D-Cinema deliverable spec -

4K DCP

Image Format: 4076x1716 (Scope)
Run Time: 2:13:53
File Size: 185 GB
Audio Format: 5.1

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

D-Cinema deliverable spec -

4K DCP

Image Format: 4076x1716 (Scope)
Run Time: 2:13:53
File Size: 185 GB
Audio Format: 5.1

Did you meant 4096x1716?

[TDSOTM]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Plus, I would say that with good up-conversion, seeing (well, at least for 72 *unbiased observers viewing 6 different motion sequences) any difference between *UNCOMPRESSED (*meaning raw camera capture) 4K imagery @ 50-60fps and that same exact imagery reformatted to HD (1080) and then up-converted to 4K is extremely marginal at ~ 3 - 4 picture heights from the screen….that’s how good…..good up-conversion can be.

Exactly what are those upconversion methods?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Did you meant 4096x1716?

Good eyes. ‘7’ is a typo. A 4K image with a 2.39:1 (scope) aspect ratio is delivered having 4096 x 1716 pixels.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

Exactly what are those upconversion methods?

I don’t know as I didn’t do the work. I do know that EBU’s team used a state of the art hardware converter on the imagery captured from test shoots with a Sony F65 @ 50p. To get more details on the converter itself, you would have to email someone with detailed knowledge of the project here …. http://tech.ebu.ch/aboutus/team

Though I can tell you that they (EBU) have done some of the most pioneering and respected work in regards to 4K/UHD and, as an organization, speak with action… http://tech.ebu.ch/testsequences

[vargo]

Make sure to use Monster HDMI cables (the right way around!) to get the most from your state of the art upscaler...

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by vargo

Make sure to use Monster HDMI cables (the right way around!) to get the most from your state of the art upscaler...

In this digital age, why do we need to use something like Monster cables?

During the analog days, this is understandable. But digital? No.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by BozQ

In this digital age, why do we need to use something like Monster cables?

During the analog days, this is understandable. But digital? No.

I think the clue was 'use them the right way around'

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I think the clue was 'use them the right way around'

Yeah, that was vargo probably trying to be humorously sarcastic. Plus, I think the converter interface used 4 x 3G-SDI. I don’t even know if ‘Monster’ sells SDI cables as I’ve never used their stuff ($$). On the home/consumer front, I’ve always been more of a blue jeans man (attire and cabling) - http://www.bluejeanscable.com/legal/mcp/

P.S. vargo, since you’re an advocate of 4K streaming/downloading. Get in the game and help out Ray - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...227870&page=12

In a way, I’m feeling sorry for the fellow.

[vargo]

I was just making the point that there is a lot of snake-oil surrounding upscaling. Similar to a lot of other products aimed at video/audio-philes with more money than sense (or technical knowledge).

If upscaled 1080p is close to native 4K, it says more about how much (little?) detail the native 4K had rather than the ability of their voodoo upscaling hardware.

The discussions about what the 'real' resolution of all these cheap digital cinema cameras have already been done to death so I won't repeat the technical arguments. Its going to be some time before people are shooting footage that really maximises the potential of 4K displays.

I wouldn't describe myself as an advocate of streaming/downloading, I just call things like I see them.

[Geoff D]

What helps with HD to UHD upscaling (and industry 2K to 4K) is that the dimensions are exactly proportional by a factor of two, and this mathmatical certainty is partly why the upscaling is so effective. It's logical to then question this situation, saying that if upscaled 1080p is so close to 2160p then it speaks more about the subdued quality of the latter, ergo why bother with all of this in the first place? But it's more about what 2160p will be able to do, rather than what it does right now, e.g. higher bit depth and HFR to name but two.

That said, proper 4K stuff still looks like the dog's bollocks* on my TV.

*translation = really ****ing good

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That said, proper 4K stuff still looks like the dog's bollocks* on my TV.

*translation = really ****ing good

That's good to know, as that's not a common refrain that I hear in the US.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by singhcr

That's good to know, as that's not a common refrain that I hear in the US.

Or 'dog's knackers' if you prefer!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by singhcr

That's good to know, as that's not a common refrain that I hear in the US.

Just a cruder version of "the bees knees".

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vargo

The discussions about what the 'real' resolution of all these cheap digital cinema cameras have already been done to death so I won't repeat the technical arguments. Its going to be some time before people are shooting footage that really maximises the potential of 4K displays.

I wouldn’t exactly describe the F65 (the camera which was used in the aforementioned EBU testing) as cheap…. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1206...nd-after-earth

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That said, proper 4K stuff still looks like the dog's bollocks* on my TV.
*translation = really ****ing good

Dem dogs unabashedly appreciate the value of ‘the family jewels’.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But it's more about what 2160p will be able to do, rather than what it does right now, e.g. higher bit depth and HFR to name but two....

You nailed it , not to mention the future potential for better audio, meaning facilitating the next generation immersive audio system that could accompany 4K….be it channel based – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ow#post8058695

Or other….http://www.prosoundnetwork.com/artic...d-audio-/16769