HDR Discussion Thread - Page 648 - Blu-ray Forum

JohnAV · 04-11-2020, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Coming to Netflix in 2 weeks –

This link would be better.

Penton-Man · 04-11-2020, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAV

This link would be better.

Yeah, guilty as charged, as I’m often more distracted by what happened further on up the pipeline with regards to any motion picture, e.g. - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...o#post11653357

Lucky, you guys are around here

to better facilitate viewing the end product as expeditiously as possible with dem more focused consumer-like hyperlinks.

mrtickleuk · 04-12-2020, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Coming to Netflix in 2 weeks –
Extraction | Official Trailer | Netflix - YouTube

I like your link too! But neither give me any clue as to whether it'll be in HDR (any flavour) on Netflix - am I to infer that it will be?

Geoff D · 04-12-2020, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

I like your link too! But neither give me any clue as to whether it'll be in HDR (any flavour) on Netflix - am I to infer that it will be?

I should think that Dobly is a given if this is a Netflix original, nowadays they actually mandate that it must be in HDR and they won't accept anything other than Dobly.

Penton-Man · 04-12-2020, 05:34 PM

Some cinematographer musings by Sam on Lost in Space and other BSCs as to their work –

(note the dog chiming into their discussion shows good sense and timing in objecting to the host’s assessment of HDR at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YvfDbvuXtM#t=1h4m18s )

Penton-Man · 04-12-2020, 07:20 PM

https://www.iol.co.za/entertainment/...equel-46499288
^ Staying Salty, get in the game and start one of those internet fan petition things

Penton-Man · 04-12-2020, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Some cinematographer musings

More, recorded live from another site on April 2 -

^ note to Peter THX, guess who’s the gearhead of the team - husband? or wife?,
answer is at ~ 10:23 timestamp. The interview has some nice behind the scenes tidbits regarding 1917 (https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/1917-4K-Blu-ray/259242/ ) after about the 1 hr. mark.

Penton-Man · 04-13-2020, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

I like your link too! But neither give me any clue as to whether it'll be in HDR (any flavour) on Netflix - am I to infer that it will be?

mrtickleuk · 04-13-2020, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

I should think that Dobly is a given if this is a Netflix original, nowadays they actually mandate that it must be in HDR and they won't accept anything other than Dobly.

Of course! Thanks, yes I forgot about that. A Netflix production gives me the confidence it will be Dolby Vision.

Penton-Man · 04-13-2020, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Netflix

Members of the Netflix Creative Technologies and Infrastructure team (Carol P.) are involved in many things, e.g. https://github.com/AcademySoftwareFo...on/OpenColorIO

Penton-Man · 04-13-2020, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Like spending WAY more than $100,000 to close down an airstrip at a naval air station for a reshoot (meaning had to come back and do it all over again months later) for this at a clear sunset - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...+#post16925412

In order to – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItNsvINsm-4#t=1s

this is also unique, in its own way, TOGO -
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dbloom/.../#3bda62a82b38

more, with regards to the bolded in last paragraph above ^
19:30 timestamp here -
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000463694240

Penton-Man · 04-14-2020, 06:40 PM

Heads-up,
Regarding HDR and Dolby Vision from the vfx folks,

don’t dilly dally to join - https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_...1WJaV6g2MsX9hk

Bluyoda · 04-14-2020, 08:44 PM

I think HDR/Dolby Vision are great when the product was either designed for it, or the makers carefully re-graded every single shot.
This is revisionist film-making at its best. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/DTS-X.
I hardly hear anyone complain about the original look/sound of the film in question anymore.
No way, did those classic movies ever have that kind of dynamic range in the cinemas. Projectors could never manage to pull that off. Am I wrong?

After experiencing it for about 2 months and 20+ movies, I personally would be perfectly happy with Blu-ray, or 4k without HDR/DV, as it just looks unnatural to me. Nothing in real life is this bright, or has this kind of contrast, at least not the way it's depicted on the screen, and my OLED only has about 700nits. Who the hell would want it any brighter?
Tell me if I am wrong, and most importantly, why?

Not saying, I hate it, but I don't think it makes movies look the way the were intended to, at least not older ones.
New productions with that in mind? Sure, go right ahead.

Agent Kay · 04-14-2020, 09:45 PM

No one complains? Um...

Geoff D · 04-14-2020, 11:51 PM

Eh, can't be bothered any more

Penton-Man · 04-15-2020, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh, can't be bothered any more

lol, I take it you’ve already answered that question many times in the dedicated-to-debate threads.

Penton-Man · 04-15-2020, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluyoda

No way, did those classic movies ever have that kind of dynamic range in the cinemas. Projectors could never manage to pull that off. Am I wrong?

I appreciate nostalgia because sometimes, with certain films, they bring back fond memories of what I was doing (personal, professional) at that exact time in my life. And the closer one reproduces that image and sound, I think the more vivid the recall….at least for me.

That said, who knows? (other than perhaps some egotistical archivist or asset manager who thinks he can channel dead Directors), who knows for sure what a Director would have intended if he/she had had access to modern technological tools (from camera to screen) to provide an iteration which most closely emulated his/her eyesight and creative thoughts at the time.

I think studios are content in offering UHD Blu-rays with HDR so long as SDR iterations (DVD, Blu-ray, non-home deliverables) remain available to consumers intent on seeing something more akin to the original presentation in terms of dynamic range.

LordoftheRings · 04-15-2020, 02:20 AM

● https://www.dune-hd.com/

Geoff D · 04-15-2020, 02:21 AM

That kind of thinking takes us awfully close to "let's just colourise everything that was made in black and white" though Mr P.

mrtickleuk · 04-15-2020, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Heads-up,
Regarding HDR and Dolby Vision from the vfx folks,

don’t dilly dally to join - https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_...1WJaV6g2MsX9hk

Erm, that's in the past

. I'm guessing you posted before it happened, but not enough notice unfortunately! Ho hum.

04-15-2020, 02:20 AM	#12958
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	DUNE (2020) HD ..... R (reprise) ● https://www.dune-hd.com/

04-12-2020, 07:20 PM	#12946
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	https://www.iol.co.za/entertainment/...equel-46499288 ^ Staying Salty, get in the game and start one of those internet fan petition things

04-14-2020, 06:40 PM	#12952
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	Heads-up, Regarding HDR and Dolby Vision from the vfx folks, don’t dilly dally to join - https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_...1WJaV6g2MsX9hk

04-14-2020, 08:44 PM	#12953
Bluyoda Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Dagobah Home Theater Gallery:103 4K collection:160 Blu-ray collection:1383 Blu-ray reviews: 263 Trading Score:4	I think HDR/Dolby Vision are great when the product was either designed for it, or the makers carefully re-graded every single shot. This is revisionist film-making at its best. Same goes for Dolby Atmos/DTS-X. I hardly hear anyone complain about the original look/sound of the film in question anymore. No way, did those classic movies ever have that kind of dynamic range in the cinemas. Projectors could never manage to pull that off. Am I wrong? After experiencing it for about 2 months and 20+ movies, I personally would be perfectly happy with Blu-ray, or 4k without HDR/DV, as it just looks unnatural to me. Nothing in real life is this bright, or has this kind of contrast, at least not the way it's depicted on the screen, and my OLED only has about 700nits. Who the hell would want it any brighter? Tell me if I am wrong, and most importantly, why? Not saying, I hate it, but I don't think it makes movies look the way the were intended to, at least not older ones. New productions with that in mind? Sure, go right ahead.

04-14-2020, 09:45 PM	#12954
Agent Kay Banned Member since:May 2018 4K collection:57 Blu-ray collection:57	No one complains? Um...

04-14-2020, 11:51 PM	#12955
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Eh, can't be bothered any more

04-15-2020, 02:21 AM	#12959
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	That kind of thinking takes us awfully close to "let's just colourise everything that was made in black and white" though Mr P.

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