Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by Brian81

Zoom doesnt degrade the image. Its no different from moving closer to the screen.

It's a tiny rectangle in the middle of a big screen. Man, at a certain point, you just gotta sit back and watch the movie. Nothing is perfect.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Yep. I dig all the sequels to varying degrees and watch them every year, but the real deal is H78, H18, and the next two. Cutting away all of the bullshit was necessary. Stripping the series back down to Michael randomly killing and Laurie evolving into who she was and what she needs to do to move on is just perfect.

And I mean, it's kind of cool that this franchise provides three separate series of films. Four if you count the Zombie films.

Know what's cool about the Jasons and Freddys? Not having to worry about which continuity to go with... You can just sit and watch em all in linear fashion without alienation.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Know what's cool about the Jasons and Freddys? Not having to worry about which co continuity to go with... You can just sit and watch em all in linear fashion without alienation.

Yeah, Jason X totally ties into JGTH and FvJ.

[HDMan72]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I'm sure it sounds fine enough without comparison, but when compared to the Criterion laserdisc, it's clear something is missing.

Yes. I watched that comparison YouTube video last night on my iPad with headphones and noticed immediately the Criterion mono sounding more full. Almost like comparing MP3 and FLAC. Funny thing is the last time I seen Halloween with correct mono up until last nights viewing of the Scream 4K probably was when I owned the Criterion LD.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Yeah, Jason X totally ties into JGTH and FvJ.

Sure it does. Certainly doesn't make any strides to retcon any of the others. Technically Jason X is the last film in the continuity since its set in the future.

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Yep. I dig all the sequels to varying degrees and watch them every year, but the real deal is H78, H18, and the next two. Cutting away all of the bullshit was necessary. Stripping the series back down to Michael randomly killing and Laurie evolving into who she was and what she needs to do to move on is just perfect.

And I mean, it's kind of cool that this franchise provides three separate series of films. Four if you count the Zombie films.

Totally agree.

Personally, I've always loved the first 4. HII isn't without its issues but I still love it as an early '80s slasher, even if I've never really liked the brother-sister angle with Laurie and Michael. III is great on its own terms and 4 has a really solid vibe that works really well.

That being said, with the later sequels they really tried to take the series in a direction that just didn't work. Too many rewrites, too many conflicting ideas. Then when they got to H20 and tried to revive the series, it turned out to be a total mess of a production and the end result was so far from what they originally wanted to make...and then you have Resurrection and, well, yeah...

But speaking of stripping the series down to its essentials and going back to its roots, that's what I (and I assume a lot of others, as it was very well-received) liked so much about H18. Carpenter came back and did the score too, it just felt right again.

~Matt

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Sure it does. Certainly doesn't make any strides to retcon any of the others. Technically Jason X is the last film in the continuity since its set in the future.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by Matt89

But speaking of stripping the series down to its essentials and going back to its roots, that's what I (and I assume a lot of others, as it was very well-received) liked so much about H18. Carpenter came back and did the score too, it just felt right again.

~Matt

Oh yeah, that score. Howarth's stuff for the sequels is great, but H18 might be my favorite score of the series next to the original. I adore this cue.

That awesome sound effect from Halloween (2018) - YouTube

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Are you seriously using Jason X as your counterpoint to a movie that hit the reset button on EVERY sequel spanning almost 40 years? Lol. Jason X doesn't deny nor confirm any of the events in the past, they also made it clear that he can regenerate lost and damaged tissue and that NOTHING could kill him AND he killed over 200 people. Boom, neat and tidy.

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Oh yeah, that score. Howarth's stuff for the sequels is great, but H18 might be my favorite score of the series next to the original. I adore this cue.

That awesome sound effect from Halloween (2018) - YouTube

LOL. That just so happens to be my fav as well. I think it's called "The Shape Hunts Allyson" on the soundtrack. It's one of my fav things about the new score.

~Matt

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Are you seriously using Jason X as your counterpoint to a movie that hit the reset button on EVERY sequel spanning almost 40 years? Lol. Jason X doesn't deny nor confirm any of the events in the past, they also made it clear that he can regenerate lost and damaged tissue and that NOTHING could kill him. Boom, neat and tidy.

I mean, in many ways you could also say that Friday the 13th Part 2 retconned the events of the original film.

The source of Mrs. Voorhees' rage was the death of her son at the camp years before. The whole plot of the first movie is her avenging his death. Then in part 2 we find out he never actually died but rather he'd been living in the woods the entire time? Like....what? We're supposed to believe that?

Don't get me wrong, I love Jason as a horror villain but that leap in logic from part 1 to part 2 is absolutely ridiculous and makes almost no sense whatsoever.

Part VI also makes zero mention of Tommy Jarvis' time at Pinehurst in Part V. It didn't outwardly retcon the previous entry, but it certainly pretended like it didn't exist.

Poltergeist II does something very similar. It completely changed the narrative we were told in the first film, that it was merely a graveyard their house was built on top of, but then in part II we're told it was actually a cave with a bunch of dead settlers? Nonsense lol.

~Matt

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by Matt89

I mean, in many ways you could also say that Friday the 13th Part 2 retconned the events of the original film.

The source of Mrs. Voorhees' rage was the death of her son at the camp years before. The whole plot of the first movie is her avenging his death. Then in part 2 we find out he never actually died but rather he'd been living in the woods the entire time? Like....what? We're supposed to believe that?

Don't get me wrong, I love Jason as a horror villain but that leap in logic from part 1 to part 2 is absolutely ridiculous and makes almost no sense whatsoever.

Part VI also makes zero mention of Tommy Jarvis' time at Pinehurst in Part V. It didn't outwardly retcon the previous entry, but it certainly pretended like it didn't exist.

Poltergeist II does something very similar. It completely changed the narrative we were told in the first film, that it was merely a graveyard their house was built on top of, but then in part II we're told it was actually a cave with a bunch of dead settlers? Nonsense lol.

~Matt

This is why I dig what the Halloween series does. It gives you four (largely) coherent timelines that each accentuate various aspects of a potential mythology and story. It's the "Choose Your Own Adventure" franchise.

[Matt89]

I think I enjoy Friday the 13th overall as a series more than I do the Halloween films but in terms of continuity...I wouldn't use that word to describe the F13 franchise. Lol.

~Matt

[Conan The Barbarian]

Still no change in order from Amazon. Now H2 says sold out on Best Buy and the other sequels are shipping only. I’m hoping this changes to pick up when stores open. It’s not a huge deal when it comes to getting 3,4,and 5 today, but I was really looking forward to part 2. Maybe I’ll pick up universal monsters and make myself happy.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by Matt89

I mean, in many ways you could also say that Friday the 13th Part 2 retconned the events of the original film.

The source of Mrs. Voorhees' rage was the death of her son at the camp years before. The whole plot of the first movie is her avenging his death. Then in part 2 we find out he never actually died but rather he'd been living in the woods the entire time? Like....what? We're supposed to believe that?

Don't get me wrong, I love Jason as a horror villain but that leap in logic from part 1 to part 2 is absolutely ridiculous and makes almost no sense whatsoever.

Part VI also makes zero mention of Tommy Jarvis' time at Pinehurst in Part V. It didn't outwardly retcon the previous entry, but it certainly pretended like it didn't exist.

Poltergeist II does something very similar. It completely changed the narrative we were told in the first film, that it was merely a graveyard their house was built on top of, but then in part II we're told it was actually a cave with a bunch of dead settlers? Nonsense lol.

~Matt

Ok, you wrote alot lol so gonna try to break it down. With Friday the 13th, you're talking about plot points that were added or altered within the continuity yet not excluding the story of that film altogether part 2's predecessor still happened. You're expressing plot elements that were far fetched which is another discussion altogether, I'm talking a franchise where each entry exists in canon. Every Jason film is accounted for regardless of story goofs. Btw, part 6 doesn't pretend part 5 didn't happen. I mean, is knowing something, but not telling anyone considered a lie?

Poltergeist part 2 wasn't a retcon, it was an expansion of the story. "The beast" was never verified as anyone until part 2, so it works. The houses were still built over a cemetery, but in part 2 there was a deeper seed of evil going on.

[Brian81]

H2 feels like a Carpenter film of that period because he wrote it, good or bad. H18 feels like a generic modern slasher using the characters and they act like they are in that slasher parody Geico commercial. I usually find more to like in a self admitted misfire from an artist in their prime vs what is considered better critically by a totally different and lesser artist. Just my opinion.

[Conan The Barbarian]

Originally Posted by Matt89

LOL. That just so happens to be my fav as well. I think it's called "The Shape Hunts Allyson" on the soundtrack. It's one of my fav things about the new score.

~Matt

Lol it should have been called” Allyson saw her dead friend and Michael popped and then she ran screaming.”

But I agree. H18 is the best score since 78.

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Ok, you wrote alot lol so gonna try to break it down. With Friday the 13th, you're talking about plot points that were added or altered within the continuity yet not excluding the story of that film altogether part 2's predecessor still happened. You're expressing plot elements that were far fetched which is another discussion altogether, I'm talking a franchise where each entry exists in canon. Every Jason film is accounted for regardless of story goofs.

Poltergeist part 2 wasn't a retcon, it was an expansion of the story. "The beast" was never verified as anyone until part 2, so it works. The houses were still built over a cemetery, but in part 2 there was a deeper seed of evil going on.

The previous entry can still have happened even though aspects were retconned. What you described as alterations within the larger continuity of the Friday the 13th series is exactly the definition of what retconning is. To retcon something doesn't necessarily mean you need to ignore an entire entry or series of entries, it involves imposing a different interpretation to previous events. In these cases, it's done to facilitate a plot shift but can also be done to account for inconsistencies in the storytelling.

I also gotta respectfully disagree with Poltergeist II. I think you're giving it a bit too much credit lol. It absolutely was a retcon, they clearly attempted to change the story in order to make the sequel work. You're correct that "the beast" was never actually identified in the first film, and tbh I have no real problem with Kane in the sequels. He's a good villain. However, in PII they try to make you believe that the Freeling's house was built over an underground cavern, yet coffins popped up from the ground in the first film. How did they not find that massive cavern when digging the swimming pool? Lots of it just doesn't totally make sense, and it's sort of insulting to the viewer.

~Matt

[Agent Kay]

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[jess1581]

Originally Posted by Matt89

The previous entry can still have happened even though aspects were retconned. What you described as alterations within the larger continuity of the Friday the 13th series is exactly the definition of what retconning is. To retcon something doesn't necessarily mean you need to ignore an entire entry or series of entries, it involves imposing a different interpretation to previous events. In these cases, it's done to facilitate a plot shift but can also be done to account for inconsistencies in the storytelling.

I also gotta respectfully disagree with Poltergeist II. I think you're giving it a bit too much credit lol. It absolutely was a retcon, they clearly attempted to change the story in order to make the sequel work. You're correct that "the beast" was never actually identified in the first film, and tbh I have no real problem with Kane in the sequels. He's a good villain. However, in PII they try to make you believe that the Freeling's house was built over an underground cavern, yet coffins popped up from the ground in the first film. How did they not find that massive cavern when digging the swimming pool? Lots of it just doesn't totally make sense, and it's sort of insulting to the viewer.

~Matt

well see, here is the thing. Nobody calls Vader being Luke's dad and Leia being his sister retcond even though they were indeed alterations. When does one consider something a retcon or an expansion??