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Old 09-23-2018, 03:09 PM   #21
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Played fine on my x700.
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Played fine on my x700.
You dont half buy some tripe!
Good price?

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Old 09-23-2018, 07:16 PM   #23
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For whatever it's worth, I gave my German 4K disc a spin and I only have positive things to say about it. I managed to catch this one at the cinema during its exceptionally brief cinema run, and told myself to remember just how textured it looked on the big screen - down to a layer of source noise that accentuates the fine detail of the image. Happy to report that the 4K disc capably recreates what I recall witnessing at the cinema. The textures are tight and refined, it's always sharp as a tack, fine detail is excellent, and highlights are perhaps too good, as the result isn't exactly flattering to the likes of Willis or Dean Norris. And just to top it all off, the source noise is there. It's not in-your-face apparent like Sony grain (or even noise in other digital productions like Rampage or It), but it's there for those of you who have an eye for noticing details like that. It's also so fine that "grain haters" can probably turn on the TV's noise reduction and the disc'll still look good. I'm just thankful that the image wasn't filtered unnecessarily (a la 12 Strong), nor is there any edge enhancement. The image is untouched and natural for purists, while those who prefer digital tools can fiddle with their TV settings as much as they want.

The Dolby Vision HDR remains the biggest selling point of the disc. I'm DV-compatible so it was a nice bonus to get it on the disc. This does not represent a radical application of HDR, but it ensures that shadow detail and highlights are superior, while the palette itself is truer and more vibrant. Black levels are also deeper and contrast is spot-on. A fair chunk of the movie takes place at night, and the 4K is up to the task of ensuring textures remain strong in such sequences. Of course, too, the HDR works to bring out more nuances when harsh light sources are involved - just see the background buildings when Paul assassinates the ice cream man; you can better make out every individual brick. I only did some cursory comparisons with the included Blu-ray disc, and the 4K trumps it at every turn. I wouldn't exactly say that this is a Top 5 presentation due to the nature of the production (dingy locations, no major SFX sequences), but it's tighter and more consistent than any number of other 4K titles.

As for the movie itself, I can't say it's especially good from a critical perspective - the thematic detail is pared down to a bare minimum to ensure a mainstream product, credulity is certainly strained for a "gritty" modern take, and D'Onofrio's character still seems cartoonishly, OTT shady which suggests he's part of what happened but that leads nowhere - but I found enough to enjoy. It's slick, Willis appears to be awake, the shootouts are fine, the gore is satisfying. I'd just like to see what Joe Carnahan had in mind before his script was subjected to a Page 1 rewrite. Carnahan has even gone as far as saying that he could produce a movie from his script and it would be different enough compared to what we ultimately got.

For those interested, the disc itself is English-friendly. They didn't grab a German master with German-language titles, nor are there any forced subs. It's easy enough to navigate the main menu - before starting the movie, I just selected the English track and I was as good as gold.

This remake isn't getting much love and I can understand why a 4K release didn't materalize in the States given the harsh reception and poor box office. But for those who want to own the movie in the best possible quality, this is a good option.
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My German copy of this turned up a couple of days ago, and I watched it last night. It's an excellent-looking 4k disc, pinpoint sharp to my tired old eyes, with deep blacks, bright HDR lighting and just a really nice, filmic look. Definitely one of the better 4k discs I've watched recently.

The sound is 'only' DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1, but sounds crystal clear.

My only question to the guy above me, is are you sure it has Dolby Vision? I'm pretty sure my copy doesn't. Or perhaps they released two versions on disc?
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My only question to the guy above me, is are you sure it has Dolby Vision? I'm pretty sure my copy doesn't. Or perhaps they released two versions on disc?
110% positive.
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Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Label:     UHD_DEATHWISH
Disc Size:      64,890,538,073 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD
BDInfo:         0.7.5.5

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00002.MPLS
Length:                 1:48:18.325 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   63,841,326,912 bytes
Total Bitrate:          78.59 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-H HEVC Video       53725 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR10 / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: Display P3 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0000 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2 / Maximum Content Light Level: 1098 cd / m2 / Maximum Frame-Average Light Level: 979 cd/m2
* MPEG-H HEVC Video     13472 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / Limited Range / BT.2020 / PQ / BT.2020 non-constant / Mastering display color primaries: Display P3 / Mastering display luminance: min: 0.0000 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             German          3528 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  3528 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -3dB)
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3562 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  3562 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB)
DTS Audio                       English         320 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz /   320 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           German          27.899 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         32.813 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          0.586 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00002.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:47:43.290     63,800,163,072  78,968          
00003.M2TS      1:47:43.290     0:00:35.034     41,163,840      9,377           

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:10:31.631     48,521 kbps     87,253 kbps     00:06:37.855    77,567 kbps     00:04:11.334    74,477 kbps     00:08:33.679    0 bytes         1,118,537 bytes 00:04:19.175    
2               0:10:31.631     0:10:06.230     62,523 kbps     83,519 kbps     00:16:01.418    76,595 kbps     00:13:08.037    74,938 kbps     00:19:02.141    0 bytes         963,102 bytes   00:12:03.639    
3               0:20:37.861     0:08:20.249     42,468 kbps     78,552 kbps     00:26:03.770    74,663 kbps     00:24:03.316    73,087 kbps     00:24:03.316    0 bytes         1,537,141 bytes 00:24:19.374    
4               0:28:58.111     0:09:43.583     60,923 kbps     88,624 kbps     00:35:47.562    77,119 kbps     00:32:52.095    74,869 kbps     00:32:51.344    0 bytes         1,285,862 bytes 00:36:11.085    
5               0:38:41.694     0:10:24.999     60,837 kbps     89,518 kbps     00:43:02.288    77,148 kbps     00:45:53.292    74,692 kbps     00:48:56.183    0 bytes         1,014,994 bytes 00:48:07.175    
6               0:49:06.693     0:12:17.236     51,417 kbps     92,180 kbps     00:55:21.735    78,601 kbps     00:54:37.524    74,548 kbps     00:56:22.504    0 bytes         962,939 bytes   00:55:21.818    
7               1:01:23.930     0:08:56.619     62,017 kbps     92,675 kbps     01:05:47.777    77,689 kbps     01:08:09.585    75,337 kbps     01:05:53.074    0 bytes         975,294 bytes   01:06:02.458    
8               1:10:20.549     0:10:00.224     63,245 kbps     101,398 kbps    01:16:22.452    77,881 kbps     01:15:05.667    75,131 kbps     01:14:39.391    0 bytes         953,164 bytes   01:15:39.284    
9               1:20:20.774     0:09:56.804     57,967 kbps     93,811 kbps     01:22:31.196    77,569 kbps     01:23:29.629    74,508 kbps     01:25:20.031    0 bytes         941,160 bytes   01:28:11.661    
10              1:30:17.578     0:10:54.820     60,386 kbps     84,713 kbps     01:37:18.290    77,148 kbps     01:33:10.376    74,621 kbps     01:36:42.379    0 bytes         1,035,778 bytes 01:32:39.303    
11              1:41:12.399     0:07:05.925     5,810 kbps      24,075 kbps     01:47:41.329    11,149 kbps     01:47:25.689    9,930 kbps      01:47:21.977    0 bytes         524,349 bytes   01:47:41.580    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00002.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x24            HEVC                                    6463.207                53,999                  43,625,761,046  237,189,217     
00002.M2TS      4117 (0x1015)   0x24            HEVC                                    6463.207                13,538                  10,937,471,798  59,535,252      
00002.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       deu (German)            6463.207                3,539                   2,859,080,464   16,548,042      
00002.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           6463.207                3,573                   2,886,556,536   16,696,097      
00002.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             eng (English)           6463.207                318                     256,915,592     1,817,799       
00002.M2TS      4768 (0x12A0)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            6463.207                28                      22,655,106      132,322         
00002.M2TS      4769 (0x12A1)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6463.207                33                      26,646,314      154,790         
00002.M2TS      4770 (0x12A2)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            6463.207                1                       468,027         2,731           
00003.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x24            HEVC                                    34.952                  3,558                   15,544,708      85,091          
00003.M2TS      4117 (0x1015)   0x24            HEVC                                    34.952                  1,360                   5,941,284       32,825          
00003.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       deu (German)            34.952                  1,579                   6,898,500       42,705          
00003.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           34.952                  1,579                   6,898,500       42,705          
00003.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             eng (English)           34.952                  319                     1,392,840       9,855           
00003.M2TS      4768 (0x12A0)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            34.952                  2                       7,842           50              
00003.M2TS      4769 (0x12A1)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           34.952                  2                       7,842           50              
00003.M2TS      4770 (0x12A2)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            34.952                  2                       7,842           50
Code:
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Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Commercial name                          : HDR10
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 1 h 47 min
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 1098 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 979 cd/m2
format_identifier                        : HDMV
Source                                   : 00002.m2ts

Video #2
ID                                       : 4117 (0x1015)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Commercial name                          : HDR10
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 1 h 47 min
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
format_identifier                        : HDMV
Source                                   : 00002.m2ts

Video #3
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Commercial name                          : HDR10
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 35 s 35 ms
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 1098 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 979 cd/m2
format_identifier                        : HDMV
Source                                   : 00003.m2ts

Video #4
ID                                       : 4117 (0x1015)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Commercial name                          : HDR10
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 35 s 35 ms
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
format_identifier                        : HDMV
Source                                   : 00003.m2ts

Audio #1
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : DTS XLL
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Commercial name                          : DTS-HD Master Audio
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
Codec ID                                 : 134
Duration                                 : 1 h 47 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : C L R Ls Rs LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 93.750 FPS (512 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossless
Language                                 : German
Source                                   : 00002.m2ts

Audio #2
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Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Commercial name                          : DTS-HD Master Audio
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
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Duration                                 : 1 h 47 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : C L R Ls Rs LFE
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Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossless
Language                                 : English
Source                                   : 00002.m2ts

Audio #3
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Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
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Language                                 : English
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Language                                 : English
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I have the Italian version and that definitely does not have DV, I can't say for the German version as I only have the Italian version.

I play my UHD on a Panasonic 820 into a LG OLED G6, neither the TV nor the player indicate DV during playback as they normally do for DV titles.

As stated in one of the earlier posts there are a number of hard coded "subtitles" in the picture when translating key English text from things like posters and signs, not very intrusive and only maybe 3 or 4 times, very brief.

Overall I quite like the presentation, not like reference wow but decent enough.
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Anybody with the German 4K disc can confirm this plays in all regions?

Someone from a Facebook group says his disc is locked to B.
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All 4k is region free. If it is bundled with a normal bluray that will be region locked. 4k is not locked.
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All 4k is region free. If it is bundled with a normal bluray that will be region locked. 4k is not locked.
As it turns out. The Scandanavian release is indeed region locked. Including the 4K disc.
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Old 07-21-2020, 07:01 PM   #34
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As it turns out. The Scandanavian release is indeed region locked. Including the 4K disc.
4K UHDs don't have region locking...at all.

Someone's spreading bad information.
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