Gemini Man 4K UHD 60fps (2019)

[Rickydenim]

I've not seen a disc at 60 fps yet, what will happen for those who's screen (eg Projector) can't handle 4K @ 60fps?

[jerrytsao]

DISC INFO:

Disc Title: Gemini.Man.2019.UHD.BluRay.2160p.HEVC.Atmos.TrueHD 7.1
Disc Size: 90,095,341,075 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Extras: Ultra HD, BD-Java
BDInfo: 0.7.5.6 (compatible layout created by DVDFab 11.0.5.9)

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00222.MPLS
Length: 1:57:03.049 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 87,088,515,072 bytes
Total Bitrate: 99.20 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 80973 kbps 2160p / 59.940 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 2683 kbps (3.21%) 1080p / 59.940 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 1000nits / Dolby Vision FEL / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio English 4844 kbps 7.1-Atmos / 48 kHz / 4844 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1-EX / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Italian 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Thai 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 31.192 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 36.12 kbps
Presentation Graphics Malay 34.667 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 25.457 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 30.253 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 26.657 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 32.691 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 30.536 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 20.422 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 22.954 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 26.949 kbps
Presentation Graphics Thai 24.559 kbps
Presentation Graphics Japanese 0.258 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 28.138 kbps


Feature file 00003.m2ts is a gigantic 81.11GiB (out of 83.91GiB), basically zero extra contents

[XavierTheaterPotato]

Is the Framerate also on the regular blu ray? I might rent this from redbox and in my area they don't offer UHDs.

Not willing to Blind Buy this.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by jerrytsao

2160p / 59.940 fps

[birdztudio]

lol

[kishiro]

Originally Posted by XavierTheaterPotato

Is the Framerate also on the regular blu ray?

No, it is not supported by the format. You might be confused by the following line in JerryTsao's post;
"* MPEG-H HEVC Video 2683 kbps (3.21%) 1080p / 59.940 fps"

That is *not* information about the Blu-Ray, but the Dolby Vision layer of the UHD. The Dolby vision layer is a difference-matrix/metadata-layer which sandwichs on top of the HDR10 when played back on equipment that supports it. This layer is in 1080p as per DV specs. To quote Geoff D from an old avsforum-thread ;

"(...) This "difference data" is then compressed using Dolby's special sauce into a 1920x1080 DV enhancement stream (don't think of it as carrying a readable video signal, the resolution isn't important as it's just carrying data packets), which is encoded onto disc alongside the 3840x2160 HDR10 base layer.(...)"

[XavierTheaterPotato]

Originally Posted by kishiro

No, it is not supported by the format. You might be confused by the following line in JerryTsao's post;
"* MPEG-H HEVC Video 2683 kbps (3.21%) 1080p / 59.940 fps"

That is *not* information about the Blu-Ray, but the Dolby Vision layer of the UHD. The Dolby vision layer is a difference-matrix/metadata-layer which sandwichs on top of the HDR10 when played back on equipment that supports it. This layer is in 1080p as per DV specs. To quote Geoff D from an old avsforum-thread ;

"(...) This "difference data" is then compressed using Dolby's special sauce into a 1920x1080 DV enhancement stream (don't think of it as carrying a readable video signal, the resolution isn't important as it's just carrying data packets), which is encoded onto disc alongside the 3840x2160 HDR10 base layer.(...)"

Kinda figured the Information was about the UHD in the UHD thread. Thanks for the Clear up. Just wanted to know if the Regular Blu ray had it. Guess it doesn't.

[jrcorwin3]

I’d say this 60fps gimmick for films needs to die, but it’s already barely breathing. It’s always been a bad experience and will continue to be.

[Geoff D]

Interesting that the enhancement layer is FEL despite Dobly advising otherwise for high frame rate content, but it's so small it might as well be MEL.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by jrcorwin3

I’d say this 60fps gimmick for films needs to die, but it’s already barely breathing. It’s always been a bad experience and will continue to be.

I think it could work in animated movies, but not live action, especially with awful cinematography like in Gemini Man. If you want to know how random, cheap sopa opera would look like in HDR, watch this movie.

[xfileed916]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's because they created 24 and 60 versions from the 120 original by frame blending and adding the requisite motion blur for that frame rate.

They've gotten better at it since Billy Lynn. I checked out the 4k stream of it to see how the 24fps conversion was and it still looked video-y. Too much motion blur. Gemini Man is a flawless conversion to 24 from 120.

[simon333]

[Megalith]

Is there a 4K 24 FPS version? The HFR makes it unwatchable.

[RodChester]

Originally Posted by Megalith

Is there a 4K 24 FPS version? The HFR makes it unwatchable.

Just through streaming.

[birdztudio]

Originally Posted by XavierTheaterPotato

Is the Framerate also on the regular blu ray? I might rent this from redbox and in my area they don't offer UHDs.

Not willing to Blind Buy this.

regular blu-ray is 23.976 fps

[Geoff D]

For added shits and giggles, when I get this UHD (in a sale) I'm gonna watch it with the motion interpolation maxed out on the TV too

[jrcorwin3]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

For added shits and giggles, when I get this UHD (in a sale) I'm gonna watch it with the motion interpolation maxed out on the TV too

Keep a bucket handy for the vomit 🤮

[Geoff D]

I didn't know you could puke that far?

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Interesting that the enhancement layer is FEL despite Dobly advising otherwise for high frame rate content, but it's so small it might as well be MEL.

What's the difference between Dolby Vision MEL and FEL?
Do you know of some examples of movies released in both flavours of Dolby Vision?

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

For added shits and giggles, when I get this UHD (in a sale) I'm gonna watch it with the motion interpolation maxed out on the TV too

Will Motion Interpolation work with 60 fps video? On my Samsung TV and wiyh the Billy Lynn movie I tried Motion Interpolation and made no effect.