Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

But Green Lantern was an essential member of the League. It's like taking out the Thing from the Fantastic Four.
JL at the core is seven team members, not six

Justice League rocked!

Justice League was originally planned as a two part film. Green Lantern was planned to join the team in Part Two. Justice League 2 was then delayed indefinitely and WB demanded the first Justice League tell a complete story. It was too late to add Green Lantern to the first film. A planned lead in to Green Lantern joining the team in Justice League Part 2 was filmed but cut and never finished. It was a post credits scene of two Green Lanterns (Tamar-Re and Kilowog) arriving at Bruce’s Home, presumably to warn him that Darkseid was coming.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Justice League was the most expensive film in the DCEU and lost WB quite a bit of money (estimated to be around $50-70 million). Films that lose money rarely get sequels. Pair that with the disastrous reception from critics and audiences and a Justice League 2 won’t happen for a while. Justice League 2 is not a wise move financially at the current time. The name “Justice League” has way too much negative baggage now.

In these cinematic universes, each new film is expected to perform en par with if not better than previous entries. Justice League is the lowest grossing film in the entire DCEU which is cause for huge concern for WB. Charging ahead with a sequel is not a smart move. WB won’t risk a Justice League 2 that performs even worse. It might not even matter how good it would be. Audiences completely jumping ship away from any non-Wonder Woman sequel DCEU film is a possibility. For WB, the film’s critical and financial performance was disappointing at best and downright embarrassing at worst.

Imagine if The Avengers got slated by critics and did worse at the box office than Iron Man, while Iron Man 2 and Thor got bad reviews and performed vastly under expectations and Captain America was the only MCU film to get good reviews and perform above expectations. That’s the position the DCEU is in now.

Is it any surprise that the only films beyond Aquaman (which was already in the can before Justice League was released) that are getting significant movement are Wonder Woman 2, the sequel to the DCEU’s only undeniable success financially, critically and with audiences and Shazam, a film that’s largely unrelated to the DCEU as a whole?

I’d even argue the DCEU is still not out of the danger zone of being scrapped and rebooted. A reboot being the only way to bring back the audience who checked out of the DCEU is a very real possibility.

WB have made the right decision is not moving ahead with Justice League 2 at the current time. They need to figure out what they want from the franchise and now they plan to achieve it. Then make Justice League 2 something to build towards.

Why would Wonder Woman be a success but not Justice League? After all, Wonder Woman is a crucial character in Justice League, so wouldn't her fans embrace Justice league as much as they embraced her solo movie?

[morphinapg]

There absolutely will be a sequel, but I agree it could be a ways off. WB will want to improve audience attachment to the series with more solo films, and then when they feel they're in a decent position, then make another Justice League, probably with a smaller budget.

If they stop interfering with the creative process, and stop trying to cater to focus groups, maybe they might succeed at that.

Don't get me wrong, I like many of the things that were changed about Suicide Squad and JL, but it's clear a lot was lost about the original creative direction in both cases, and the movies that were left to stick to the Director's vision (Man of Steel, BvS, Wonder Woman) are the better movies in the series.

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[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why would Wonder Woman be a success but not Justice League? After all, Wonder Woman is a crucial character in Justice League, so wouldn't her fans embrace Justice league as much as they embraced her solo movie?

Wonder Woman was cheaper and made a lot more money than Justice League. Over $150 million more.

You’re making the mistake of assuming everyone who has interest in a Wonder Woman film automatically has interest in Justice League. A lot of people were excited for Wonder Woman because it was the first solo Superhero film with a female lead in over 10 years. It also attracted a lot of people who were fans of the Wonder Woman TV series. Also consider that we’re currently seeing a trend of audiences paying more attention to a film’s quality. Wonder Woman got critical acclaim and great WOM. Justice League did not.

It’s also very possible that a lot of people who had interest in Wonder Woman don’t have interest in seeing a film where she plays second fiddle to Batman.

It’s why Civil War and Spider-Man: Homecoming made less than Iron Man 3. Just because people like Iron Man, it doesn’t mean they want to see every film with Iron Man in especially if he plays second fiddle to another hero.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

. Also consider that we’re currently seeing a trend of audiences paying more attention to a film’s quality.

What do you mean by that? Quality-wise Justice League is in the same league as Wonder Woman. I mean, you can even compare the amazons' scenes and you can clearly see that WW and JL shared the same 'vision'.
If I was a fan of WW I could not see one single reason not to watch JL...They are almost like part of the same film divided into two chapters.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Quality-wise Justice League is in the same league as Wonder Woman.

lol

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

lol

Please explain why you don't think so? The two movies are very similar: the bad guy, the Amazons, Wonder Woman herself

Justice League rocked!

[levcore]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why would Wonder Woman be a success but not Justice League? After all, Wonder Woman is a crucial character in Justice League, so wouldn't her fans embrace Justice league as much as they embraced her solo movie?

Wonder Woman got good reviews, Justice League did not.

Justice League was from the same director as BvS, which was poorly received.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Please explain why you don't think so? The two movies are very similar: the bad guy, the Amazons, Wonder Woman herself

Justice League rocked!

They're not very similar though, they're pretty different. yes they're both comic book movies but they play out very differently.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What do you mean by that? Quality-wise Justice League is in the same league as Wonder Woman. I mean, you can even compare the amazons' scenes and you can clearly see that WW and JL shared the same 'vision'.
If I was a fan of WW I could not see one single reason not to watch JL...They are almost like part of the same film divided into two chapters.

Audiences are paying attention to quality. It's not a coincidence that most of the major box office failures/underperformers are films that god bad reviews/WOM and most of the successes are films that got great reviews/WOM. It's not a coincidence that after Batman v Superman had massive drops at the box office due to the poor reviews and WOM that films started proudly displaying their "certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes" in their marketing.

As for the rest of what you said: What?

Wonder Woman is on a whole different level to Justice League. It is in no way the same vision or the same film divided into two. Justice League was a completely different depiction of Wonder Woman and the Amazons. Notice how the Amazon costumes are a little more sexualised in Justice League? Yeah.
Wonder Woman is a much better film than Justice League, being stronger in terms of narrative, character work, visual effects and directing.

As someone who loved Wonder Woman, I can think of several reasons not to see Justice League;

Diana plays second fiddle to another hero (Batman), very little focus on Diana, Amazons only appear in one scene and have taken a massive decrease in terms of skill just to make the new villain seem powerful, Patty Jenkins is not involved, Amazon costumes are more sexualised, the writing is much worse etc.

There's no way Justice League is on the same level as Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman was one of the best reviewed and well received blockbusters of 2017. Justice League was the complete opposite.

[WorkShed]

Absolutely. It's all about execution.

[Talal86]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Also consider that we’re currently seeing a trend of audiences paying more attention to a film’s quality.

audiences are paying more attention to RT scores, not quality

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What do you mean by that? Quality-wise Justice League is in the same league as Wonder Woman.

I agree, they're both bad

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1 View Post

Also consider that we’re currently seeing a trend of audiences paying more attention to a film’s quality.

Is that why a masterpiece like Blade Runner 2049 flops so badly? Because all of a sudden the vast majority of people have become movie experts?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Talal86

audiences are paying more attention to RT scores, not quality



I agree, they're both bad

They are both equally good or equally bad, but they still go hand in hand.
It's like The Hobbit 1,2,3 or LOTR 1,2,3...They all go together and they are all part of the same storyline and the same universe

[Vangeli]

Justice League feels very much like BvS with little in the name of consequential tweaks, like brighter color and a handful of jokes.

Wonder Woman and Man of Steel are the top-tier DCEU films at this point, at least when it comes to consistency of tone and editing and the emotional journey taken. The others are messy. I did enjoy BvS and JL but they're not good films. Good entertainment? Sure.

Also the Justice League UHD disc looks pretty fantastic on my (paltry 500-nit) display.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

They are both equally good or equally bad, but they still go hand in hand.
It's like The Hobbit 1,2,3 or LOTR 1,2,3...They all go together and they are all part of the same storyline and the same universe

But Wonder Woman works very well as a standalone story whereas Justice League doesn't work that well if you haven't seen BvS.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by levcore

But Wonder Woman works very well as a standalone story whereas Justice League doesn't work that well if you haven't seen BvS.

Justice League is Wonder Woman, meaning, what happens to WW after the events in her standalone movie is what we see in JL. I don't see how one can be kept separate from the other. It's like LOTR and the Hobbit. You can watch them as stand-alone trilogies,sure, but they are both part of the same universe and same general theme. One is no better than the other.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Justice League is Wonder Woman, meaning, what happens to WW after the events in her standalone movie is what we see in JL. I don't see how one can be kept separate from the other. It's like LOTR and the Hobbit. You can watch them as stand-alone trilogies,sure, but they are both part of the same universe and same general theme. One is no better than the other.

As much as I like The Hobbit movies, between that and LOTR one trilogy is DEFINITELY better than the other...

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1 View Post

Also consider that we’re currently seeing a trend of audiences paying more attention to a film’s quality.

Is that why a masterpiece like Blade Runner 2049 flops so badly? Because all of a sudden the vast majority of people have become movie experts?

No. Blade Runner 2049 flopped because it was a sequel to a film very few had seen and had a marketing scheme that played things too mysterious, giving audiences very little to work with. Ridley Scott was also correct in assuming that the 2 hours 43 minute runtime also managed to turn off a lot of movie goers. The film also came out in a very quiet period for the box office. The box office had just died down after IT and wouldn't really pick up again until Thor: Ragnarok.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Justice League is Wonder Woman, meaning, what happens to WW after the events in her standalone movie is what we see in JL. I don't see how one can be kept separate from the other. It's like LOTR and the Hobbit. You can watch them as stand-alone trilogies,sure, but they are both part of the same universe and same general theme. One is no better than the other.

They're very separate since, apart from a few references, the events of Wonder Woman have very little impact on Justice League.