Crank 4K UHD (2006)

[Telemachus]

Hope this is a sign Crank 2 is coming to UHD

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by Telemachus

Hope this is a sign Crank 2 is coming to UHD

It's not. Crank 2 isn't even HD quality (it's 1440x1080). UHD wouldn't do anything for it unfortunately.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Cliff

It's not. Crank 2 isn't even HD quality (it's 1440x1080). UHD wouldn't do anything for it unfortunately.

Color space maybe? was it filmed in rec709?

[Telemachus]

Well if Criterion can do Inland Empire...

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Color space maybe? was it filmed in rec709?

It was shot using HDV rec709 8-bit 4:2:0. It was already HEAVILY pushed in the final grading by Siggy Ferstl to get it to look acceptable on a big screen. There’s just not a lot of latitude in that source footage to work with as it is.
And even if it DID get released, most people would just complain about how it looked because they don’t understand how it was filmed.
But I just texted the DP of the film to see if he feels differently (I don’t think he will, though).

[Streetlight]

Originally Posted by Telemachus

Well if Criterion can do Inland Empire...

...Inland Empire is regular BD, not 4K BD

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Cliff

It was shot using HDV rec709 8-bit 4:2:0. It was already HEAVILY pushed in the final grading by Siggy Ferstl to get it to look acceptable on a big screen. There’s just not a lot of latitude in that source footage to work with as it is.
And even if it DID get released, most people would just complain about how it looked because they don’t understand how it was filmed.
But I just texted the DP of the film to see if he feels differently (I don’t think he will, though).

Lionsgate could always do a filmout tho like they did for a lot of their 2K DIs that were unacceptable for 4K (3:10 Yuma, Daybreakers, etc). Results of that might not be the best of course, but if the Blu-ray looked digital-ish that process helps it look more natural.

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Lionsgate could always do a filmout tho like they did for a lot of their 2K DIs that were unacceptable for 4K (3:10 Yuma, Daybreakers, etc). Results of that might not be the best of course, but if the Blu-ray looked digital-ish that process helps it look more natural.

I don’t know… at that point it sounds like you’re creating a 4K just to do it and not because it yields any benefits. You’re just softening the image to then artificially upscale it. At a certain point, there just IS a ceiling.

[Telemachus]

Was Crank 2 shown exclusivly digital in theaters? Doubt it was, so a filmout UHD would look more like it did when it played, just like the first Crank does. I think the Crank UHD looks more pleasing than the Blu ray, but I still do think the Blu ray looks striking, it's just way too sharp when I go back to it, and they did fix the soundtrack up much nicer.

Originally Posted by Streetlight

...Inland Empire is regular BD, not 4K BD

Didn't say it wasn't, but

NEW 4K RESTORATION APPROVED BY DAVID LYNCH

So tell me again why Crank 2 can't be done in 4k, Inland Empire is like 480i

[Streetlight]

Originally Posted by Telemachus

So tell me again why Crank 2 can't be done in 4k, Inland Empire is like 480i

The "4K Restoration" of Inland Empire is just an AI upscale of the 480i source, which alters how the movie originally looked when shot. Technically, Crank 2 could benefit from a 4K BD, even if its just improved compression.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Cliff

I don’t know… at that point it sounds like you’re creating a 4K just to do it and not because it yields any benefits. You’re just softening the image to then artificially upscale it. At a certain point, there just IS a ceiling.

Yes, but the studio you work for has a thing about doing 4K transfers from filmouts, including the first Crank which was shot on DV tape and HD and also yields very little benefit from the 4K HDR space...but they went and did it anyway and it certainly lends a different - and not unpleasant - look to the movie.

[Muyfa666]

Didn’t know this was released on UHD. Nice. :-)

Just ordered the extended german release. Is it the same transfer as the US one?

[Streetlight]

Originally Posted by Muyfa666

Didn’t know this was released on UHD. Nice. :-)

Just ordered the extended german release. Is it the same transfer as the US one?

IDK. If you have it, you can show screencaps to do comparison

[Muyfa666]

Originally Posted by Streetlight

IDK. If you have it, you can show screencaps to do comparison

I am not equipped to take UHD screenshots, sorry to say.

[Muyfa666]

Got my copy but I haven't had the time to watch it yet.

At first I thought it was only the BD that was extended, but both discs say extended, so there's that.

[tyrok]

[unberechenbar]

Loved how over-the-top this movie was. PQ left a lot to be desired. Lovely Atmos track. Hope the sequel gets a UHD someday.

[takeshi2010]

German UHD (director's cut):


US UHD (theatrical cut):


The German edition has a greenish tint but the black level is on par with the old bluray. OTOH, I really like the look the film-out gives to the US edition in most scenes, and the colors on the US UHD are more pleasing, but the black crush in some scenes is bothersome.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Cliff

It was shot using HDV rec709 8-bit 4:2:0.

One interesting thing is it seems that while Attack Of The Clones was also shot the same way, the film prints were well beyond REC709 for some color ranges. I assume they must have pushed certain things in post. They probably did the CGI in wide gamut too. And perhaps the transfer to film pushed certain colors more saturated too. A lot of cyan/teal seems more intense on the 35mm. And one Pantoran is insanely deep rich turquoise blue, just a wild color on the 35mm, but a way more muted tealish blue on all home releases (even the UHD). The intro text at the start that is an intense cyan teal on the 35mm (and on the UHD for the OT) is all muted on the UHD for AOTC (and the other two prequels). It is very odd how even the UHD for the prequels seem like they came out of some work that somehow got REC709 color gamut locked at some point as the starting point for some reason?

That said, I have no clue if any of that sort of stuff would apply to Crank 2. I was quite surprised that it seems to apply to AOTC.

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

One interesting thing is it seems that while Attack Of The Clones was also shot the same way, the film prints were well beyond REC709 for some color ranges. I assume they must have pushed certain things in post. They probably did the CGI in wide gamut too. And perhaps the transfer to film pushed certain colors more saturated too. A lot of cyan/teal seems more intense on the 35mm. And one Pantoran is insanely deep rich turquoise blue, just a wild color on the 35mm, but a way more muted tealish blue on all home releases (even the UHD). The intro text at the start that is an intense cyan teal on the 35mm (and on the UHD for the OT) is all muted on the UHD for AOTC (and the other two prequels). It is very odd how even the UHD for the prequels seem like they came out of some work that somehow got REC709 color gamut locked at some point as the starting point for some reason?

That said, I have no clue if any of that sort of stuff would apply to Crank 2. I was quite surprised that it seems to apply to AOTC.

Well, my guess would be that all that 8-bit digital photography on AOTC was ingested in the computer (given that everything was digital backgrounds and FX) and they were working with a much larger color gamut once it went into post. ILM had a decade+ of doing all these digital FX and digital compositing that was starting with film elements and being output to 35MM, so it would have been standard practice to work at THOSE levels as often as possible. What interests me most is how the green screen was handled since keying green screen in 8-bit is a nightmare.

Crank 2 doesn't have that problem... pretty much everything in that movie was 'baked' into the original photography on the day and I was there every day to witness it.