Mission: Impossible 1-5 4K UHDs (1996-2015)

[imsounoriginal]

Original poster art for each one would be the best option. But if they wanna go creative, I know a lot of people hate these posters but I dig em (except the Rogue Nation one, I dunno what his hands are grabbing onto but it's not the plane...):

[Show spoiler]

[jh901]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Thank you Mr. Nolan

Sure, so, what electronics and speakers are you using?

If we have to do Atmos panic attack in every thread, then we can do this. Every. Time.

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by jh901

Sure, so, what electronics and speakers are you using?

If we have to do Atmos panic attack in every thread, then we can do this. Every. Time.

Seriously, I don't understand why is everyone so hard pressed on ATMOS, even ATMOS that tries to simulate 5.1 in a 5.1 environment sounds...ok at best, but not near as good or clean as 5.1 DTS MA or a variation of. And the fact that they have a 5.1, for example Blade Runner Final Cut and chose not to import it on the 4K is stupid. Paramount forcing us to use Atmos is stupid. People who have ATMOS setups are even more niche than the people who have 4K setups and even that is super niche so who is ATMOS helping? Dolby. Majority of home theater setups are configured for 5.1 not ATMOS.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Seriously, I don't understand why is everyone so hard pressed on ATMOS

Because nothing enhances the moviegoing experience like hearing clouds move in the sky above you.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Already up for pre-order on Amazon.ca. Pre-ordered all 5 because I’m an animal.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Seriously, I don't understand why is everyone so hard pressed on ATMOS, even ATMOS that tries to simulate 5.1 in a 5.1 environment sounds...ok at best, but not near as good or clean as 5.1 DTS MA or a variation of. And the fact that they have a 5.1, for example Blade Runner Final Cut and chose not to import it on the 4K is stupid. Paramount forcing us to use Atmos is stupid. People who have ATMOS setups are even more niche than the people who have 4K setups and even that is super niche so who is ATMOS helping? Dolby. Majority of home theater setups are configured for 5.1 not ATMOS.

Majority of Home Theater setups are Blu-ray and not 4K so lets make sure Paramount cancels these releases.

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Majority of Home Theater setups are Blu-ray and not 4K so lets make sure Paramount cancels these releases.

Or just include the 5.1 track that already exists? Oh gosh NOOOOO I know how that offends you ATMOS shills? How much data does it use on the 4K UHD disc????? Anyone???? Especially when the soundtracks have been MASTERED IN 5.1 how can it be defended?

[xxstrataxx]

I watched MI:1 2 nights ago for the first time in forever, prolly since it hit theaters in what '97? Wow that movie imo has not held up well. Plus, if it does get a remaster, I can't imagine how much worse the dated CGI would look. The whole last act with the train/helicopter action looked terrible.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Or just include the 5.1 track that already exists? Oh gosh NOOOOO I know how that offends you ATMOS shills? How much data does it use on the 4K UHD disc????? Anyone???? Especially when the soundtracks have been MASTERED IN 5.1 how can it be defended?

Because it sounds just fine on your 5.1 system, that's why.


Stop acting so triggered.

[Mr. Cinema]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Atmos whining is still better than 3D whining. Fact.

I'll take both over any sentence that contains the word slipcover.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Seriously, I don't understand why is everyone so hard pressed on ATMOS,

It's the new thing and peeps have gone out and bought the cheapest Atmos enabled AVR and speakers in order to enhance what had been poorly executed 5.1 or 7.1, by any reasonable standard, and they're excited to get that extra bit of "immersion". There aren't any home theater enthusiasts in my area, apparently, so I can't do anything to win over hearts and minds. We can never get back to the basics of hi-fi sound without demo's. Sure, there's no single correct approach, but there sure are many ways to go wrong!

Until then, unless the mods step up, there will be Atmos madness.

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

I'll take both over any sentence that contains the word slipcover.

No slip, no buy.

[charliemaess]

I watched MI:1 2 nights ago for the first time in forever, prolly since it hit theaters in what '97? Wow that movie imo has not held up well. Plus, if it does get a remaster, I can't imagine how much worse the dated CGI would look. The whole last act with the train/helicopter action looked terrible.

Totally disagree. Modern CGI is woeful and cartoon like. ILMs work on M:I is great.

[kwisatzhaderach]

Originally Posted by xxstrataxx

I watched MI:1 2 nights ago for the first time in forever, prolly since it hit theaters in what '97? Wow that movie imo has not held up well. Plus, if it does get a remaster, I can't imagine how much worse the dated CGI would look. The whole last act with the train/helicopter action looked terrible.

"Let's see if you can follow me around the room."

It’s still the best one. It’s a long fall from DePalma to JJ Abrams and his ilk. Either you understand that or you don’t.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Seriously, I don't understand why is everyone so hard pressed on ATMOS, even ATMOS that tries to simulate 5.1 in a 5.1 environment sounds...ok at best, but not near as good or clean as 5.1 DTS MA or a variation of. And the fact that they have a 5.1, for example Blade Runner Final Cut and chose not to import it on the 4K is stupid. Paramount forcing us to use Atmos is stupid. People who have ATMOS setups are even more niche than the people who have 4K setups and even that is super niche so who is ATMOS helping? Dolby. Majority of home theater setups are configured for 5.1 not ATMOS.

You obviously heard it on a crappy system if it's ok at best. Even an ATMOS mix that's listened on a 5.1 or 7.1 setup sounds better. People seem to think that when they remix in ATMOS they just send extra info to the tops. That's not the case. They remix the whole track and sounds way better.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by jh901

The vast majority of those who've got Atmos enabled AVR's are clueless as to what great 5.1 should sound like. There's your "selling point".

The selling point of UHD blu-rays is to provide an upgrade over the standard blu-ray. So it makes perfect sense to include an immersive upmix of the original sound with it. At the same time, Paramount can easily include the original 5.1 track separately along with the Atmos track, or simply have it be the 5.1 bed of the Atmos track. Your comment of making people appreciate 5.1 tracks is nearly pointless. Atmos for the home theaters has only been around for like 5 years or less, so the great majority of people with Atmos capabilities had 5.1 or 7.1 systems at some point before now. Plus, I don’t think movies getting released on UHD discs should have to pay the price of people not appreciating 5.1 sound. That’s pretty much a matter of personal decisions and taste.

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Seriously, I don't understand why is everyone so hard pressed on ATMOS, even ATMOS that tries to simulate 5.1 in a 5.1 environment sounds...ok at best, but not near as good or clean as 5.1 DTS MA or a variation of. And the fact that they have a 5.1, for example Blade Runner Final Cut and chose not to import it on the 4K is stupid. Paramount forcing us to use Atmos is stupid. People who have ATMOS setups are even more niche than the people who have 4K setups and even that is super niche so who is ATMOS helping? Dolby. Majority of home theater setups are configured for 5.1 not ATMOS.

I’m not sure that there’s any truth to that. From Dolby’s Dolby Atmos white paper (https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...hite-paper.pdf):

“Dolby Atmos therefore supports “beds” in addition to audio objects. Beds are effectively channel-based submixes or stems. These can be retained as separate bed stems through the mixing process; they are combined into a single bed as part of the print-master process. These beds can be created in different channel-based configurations, such as 5.1, 7.1, or even future formats such as 9.1 (including arrays of overhead loudspeakers).”

If the upmix does not introduce or remove any new sounds or effects (everything is kept the same except for where it is located) the 5.1 bed of the Atmos track should be practically the same as the original 5.1 track. If done correctly, all the upmix is doing is expanding the soundstage for systems that can see and read the Atmos metadata. Otherwise it will get ignored and be played in regular 5.1 like the original 5.1 mix. And again, they could easily include the original track along with the Atmos one. These movies run ~2hrs or less each so it’s not like it’d be compromising the video quality by adding one more audio option.

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Or just include the 5.1 track that already exists? Oh gosh NOOOOO I know how that offends you ATMOS shills? How much data does it use on the 4K UHD disc????? Anyone???? Especially when the soundtracks have been MASTERED IN 5.1 how can it be defended?

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Because again, when done correctly, it expands the soundstage and doesn’t introduce, or take away, anything new other than where the sounds are coming from. As for how much data it uses, I’m genuinely not sure why you mention it at all. If you mean because it takes more space on the disc then it doesn’t compromise the picture quality. The difference is almost negligible compared to the overall size of the disc files. Especially if compressed competently, having an Atmos track (and even additional ones for say, the original and other languages), should not affect a ~2hr runtime film’s video quality at all. If it was closer to 2:30min then a 100GB disc would solve the problem but for ~2hrs a 66GB disc should suffice. Discs like the UHD of IT (which runs 2:15min) have Atmos + additional languages and the video compression is completely fine on it (on a 66GB disc).

From a purist’s standpoint, I can see wanting to have the original 5.1 track on the UHD, but once more, if done correctly, the 5.1 bed of the Atmos track should sound exactly the same. So really, there’s no good reason why Paramount should not include an Atmos upmix. For people that are well informed about it, it will make them happy or neutral regardless of whether they’re purists or not because they know it shouldn’t compromise the original sound if done with care. Plus, they can easily include the original alongside the immersive track.

[bbeck]

Given that the first three movies never received lossless audio for their BD releases in the States, an Atmos remix would be nice icing on the cake (assuming the remixes are based on the original audio stems). I'd be fine with TrueHD 5.1, but if they want to sweeten them up for UHD, I won't complain.

I'd be surprised if Brad Bird authorized an Atmos remix for MI:GP given his position on IMAX AR (or do directors care less about audio fidelity than camera framing?).

[jh901]

Originally Posted by samlop10

From a purist’s standpoint, I can see wanting to have the original 5.1 track on the UHD, but once more, if done correctly, the 5.1 bed of the Atmos track should sound exactly the same.

Not my angle.

Sound quality is what I'm getting. So few have any relevant experience. Curiosity is dying. It feels better to have it all figured out than to discover something new. Apparently.

There is no substitute for sound quality. The basics. I will demo. There won't be any takers. No curiosity.

[brian9229]

People can piss on Atmos all they want. That doesn't stop it from sounding f#&$ing insane on my system, and I'm quite sure on others as well. I don't mind a lot of modern catalog films getting the Atmos treatment. In most cases, they sound quite good. I would draw the line on classics, that originally only had stereo, or mono. I don't even really like those same classics in 5.1. Imo, It's like Bilbo said, "Butter, scraped over too much bread".

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by samlop10

The selling point of UHD blu-rays is to provide an upgrade over the standard blu-ray. So it makes perfect sense to include an immersive upmix of the original sound with it. At the same time, Paramount can easily include the original 5.1 track separately along with the Atmos track, or simply have it be the 5.1 bed of the Atmos track. Your comment of making people appreciate 5.1 tracks is nearly pointless. Atmos for the home theaters has only been around for like 5 years or less, so the great majority of people with Atmos capabilities had 5.1 or 7.1 systems at some point before now. Plus, I don’t think movies getting released on UHD discs should have to pay the price of people not appreciating 5.1 sound. That’s pretty much a matter of personal decisions and taste.



I’m not sure that there’s any truth to that. From Dolby’s Dolby Atmos white paper (https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...hite-paper.pdf):

“Dolby Atmos therefore supports “beds” in addition to audio objects. Beds are effectively channel-based submixes or stems. These can be retained as separate bed stems through the mixing process; they are combined into a single bed as part of the print-master process. These beds can be created in different channel-based configurations, such as 5.1, 7.1, or even future formats such as 9.1 (including arrays of overhead loudspeakers).”

If the upmix does not introduce or remove any new sounds or effects (everything is kept the same except for where it is located) the 5.1 bed of the Atmos track should be practically the same as the original 5.1 track. If done correctly, all the upmix is doing is expanding the soundstage for systems that can see and read the Atmos metadata. Otherwise it will get ignored and be played in regular 5.1 like the original 5.1 mix. And again, they could easily include the original track along with the Atmos one. These movies run ~2hrs or less each so it’s not like it’d be compromising the video quality by adding one more audio option.

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Because again, when done correctly, it expands the soundstage and doesn’t introduce, or take away, anything new other than where the sounds are coming from. As for how much data it uses, I’m genuinely not sure why you mention it at all. If you mean because it takes more space on the disc then it doesn’t compromise the picture quality. The difference is almost negligible compared to the overall size of the disc files. Especially if compressed competently, having an Atmos track (and even additional ones for say, the original and other languages), should not affect a ~2hr runtime film’s video quality at all. If it was closer to 2:30min then a 100GB disc would solve the problem but for ~2hrs a 66GB disc should suffice. Discs like the UHD of IT (which runs 2:15min) have Atmos + additional languages and the video compression is completely fine on it (on a 66GB disc).

From a purist’s standpoint, I can see wanting to have the original 5.1 track on the UHD, but once more, if done correctly, the 5.1 bed of the Atmos track should sound exactly the same. So really, there’s no good reason why Paramount should not include an Atmos upmix. For people that are well informed about it, it will make them happy or neutral regardless of whether they’re purists or not because they know it shouldn’t compromise the original sound if done with care. Plus, they can easily include the original alongside the immersive track.

Except they don't, the Blade Runner Final Cut 5.1 DTS Ma sounds way better then the atmos track which sounds messy and disorganized

Originally Posted by gates70

You obviously heard it on a crappy system if it's ok at best. Even an ATMOS mix that's listened on a 5.1 or 7.1 setup sounds better. People seem to think that when they remix in ATMOS they just send extra info to the tops. That's not the case. They remix the whole track and sounds way better.

No not really my soundbar and rears are set correctly it's the shitty atmos upkick on a MA soundtrack that's not needed. I have no issue with Atmos on brand new movies but anything before 7.1 was created is JUST BS Dolby and Atmos shills are trying to say sounds better and sorry it doesnt. I'm not triggered I just need to call out the bull s*** when I see it

Or better yet I'll wait till someone can tell me where these extra channels magically appear from a 5.1 masterless audio Channel where did the 2 extra channels come from??

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by jh901

Not my angle.

Sound quality is what I'm getting. So few have any relevant experience. Curiosity is dying. It feels better to have it all figured out than to discover something new. Apparently.

There is no substitute for sound quality. The basics. I will demo. There won't be any takers. No curiosity.

There’s certainly curiosity for Atmos though. Maybe not for 5.1 anymore because it’s just simply not as immersive, but preferring 5.1 is just that: a preference. Atmos doesn’t compromise actual sound quality when it’s setup and used well.