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Old 09-30-2018, 08:52 AM   #2401
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I prefer the 35th Anniversary disc over the 2007 one, but even if someone likes the daytime scenes better in the 2007, the nighttime scenes are devoid of that awesome blue tint that’s present on the 35th Anniversary disc. I need dat blue!
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Old 09-30-2018, 08:54 AM   #2402
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Sorry but this is one of my favorite movies of all time, Ive bought it so many times, and this is, by far, the worst it ever looked. I'll never slip this UHD disc into my player again. Total waste of money!! Will rewatch the original blu. (I have a 65" Sony OLED TV)
Are you serious? Did you watch this on Dolby Vision? If not, is your hdr10 calibrated? I have only watch the first 15mins as I am typing this and looks great.

Edit: I have concluded after 30+ mins that this is the best Halloween has ever looked. Considering how old this movie is, I'll give it a solid 9.5 out of 10 for picture quality. I really like the muted/realistic colors.

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Old 09-30-2018, 09:03 AM   #2403
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General question about mono: When I pop in a Blu-ray and choose mono, I think it always says 2.0, not 1.0. Since the only speakers I’m using are my TV’s speakers, am I correct to assume that my TV coverts the mono to dual mono? If I used only a center speaker would my TV say 1.0? Basically I’m wondering if mono tracks on Blu-ray discs are really mono or if they’re really stereo tracks with the mono channel duplicated.
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:16 AM   #2404
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General question about mono: When I pop in a Blu-ray and choose mono, I think it always says 2.0, not 1.0. Since the only speakers I’m using are my TV’s speakers, am I correct to assume that my TV coverts the mono to dual mono? If I used only a center speaker would my TV say 1.0? Basically I’m wondering if mono tracks on Blu-ray discs are really mono or if they’re really stereo tracks with the mono channel duplicated.
There are some true mono 1.0 tracks, but most seem to double it to 2.0. The fake mono on the UHD is actually a 1.0 mono track.
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:29 AM   #2405
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There are some true mono 1.0 tracks, but most seem to double it to 2.0. The fake mono on the UHD is actually a 1.0 mono track.
So if I played a disc with a true 1.0 mono track and pressed the display button on my player’s remote, it would list it as 1.0?
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:35 AM   #2406
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General question about mono: When I pop in a Blu-ray and choose mono, I think it always says 2.0, not 1.0. Since the only speakers I’m using are my TV’s speakers, am I correct to assume that my TV coverts the mono to dual mono? If I used only a center speaker would my TV say 1.0? Basically I’m wondering if mono tracks on Blu-ray discs are really mono or if they’re really stereo tracks with the mono channel duplicated.
Yes bobby, if your TV is playing 1.0 then it's still coming out of both speakers otherwise it would only come out of the extreme left or right! A dual mono will send a discrete channel to each L/R speaker, but as it's the same information then if your speaker phasing is correct it will appear to come from the centre if you sit dead centre between them. It doesn't really make a difference at the end of the day.

I'll post some waffle about the PQ in a minute but I watched this with the 7.1 (albeit as PCM 5.1 squirted to my TV, no AVR action) and I can live with that. I would prefer the true mono in a heartbeat but the 7.1 isn't the most revisionist remix I've ever heard, I mean all the added thunder during the drive to the looney bin doesn't sound like it belongs and I hate the different stinger for when Michael grabs Annie in the car, but I like that it keeps stuff like the stock gunshot effect for Dr. Loomis shooting Michael at the end.

Someone mentioned that this 7.1 keeps the change in pitch during the "speed kills!" scene while the Shout 7.1 levelled this off and that's correct, while the original mono has this pitch change also. So at least this UHD's 7.1 has had one tiny little piece of revisionism changed back again.

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So if I played a disc with a true 1.0 mono track and pressed the display button on my player’s remote, it would list it as 1.0?
My OPPO says "1.0 C", yes.
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:43 AM   #2407
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Is the "Cut above the Rest" doc on the UK 4k release? Anyone?
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Old 09-30-2018, 09:47 AM   #2408
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Thank you, Geoff! Seeing someone else type my name really makes me wish I had spelled it with a capital letter. Looks odd.

As for the pitch change, I can remember the first time I watched this film (or close to the first time) and being aware of it and thinking it added some tension to the scene. If it really was a mistake, it’s a pleasant one since it seems to happen at the right moment. And the extra thunder and rain sounds cool, especially in a theater, but it really does sound out of place in this film.
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Old 09-30-2018, 10:23 AM   #2409
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Which Blu-ray is included, 35th Anniversary or 2007 version?
Just popped the disc in and the menu screen says 35th Anniversary
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Old 09-30-2018, 10:25 AM   #2410
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Is the "Cut above the Rest" doc on the UK 4k release? Anyone?
No, I just checked the disc. Special features on the 4K and included Blu-ray are:

Audio commentary JC & JLC
The night she came home!!
On location 25 years later
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Old 09-30-2018, 10:35 AM   #2411
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That kinda makes more sense to bundle it in as the 35th BD has been OOP for a while in the UK (I know it's also just had a standalone BD release, but still), however it seems more and more likely that Lionsgate ballsed up the US release and pulled the wrong BD master for replication.
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Had the pleasure of finally watching this earlier in the evening.

First off, the black 'flicker' or whatever, is definitely from the grain/film stock. The blacks are mildly elevated, I'd assume to show a bit more range in shadow detail, so that's what's creating that effect. It's not a technical issue. It's not an anomaly. It's just a result of what a film like this, from 1978, happens to look like in 2018.

Secondly, wow! I love this transfer. You can tell it's a freshly new OCN scan--but hats off to Cundy and Carpenter, who apparently did get to sit in on this new transfer, for staying closer to the 35th anniversary's look, more than the prior home releases, for this disc. It's almost indistinguishable from that blu-ray, in terms of its color reproduction.

So, that means you should just stick with the 35th remaster edition then, right?

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The UHD has so much grain--yet still very much resolvable--resulting in a significantly denser, three-dimensional, and sharper image, even much more so than any prior home release to date. With the beautiful wide-angled compositions, slow and steady camera movements, you truly get to appreciate new fine--and distant--detail, in a way that you never could before. There doesn't appear to be any grain management at all, either. While some shots can look soft or out of focus, thanks to anamorphic goodness, this film, from start to finish, has never come close to looking as good as it does on this disc, at least from the perspective of a resolution boost. Again, while the colors remain very identical to the 35th remaster, this is at least a good example of a catalog release getting a noticeable increase in its resolution jump.

If you're a fan of this film, which you should be, there's no way I'd pass up on the 4K disc.

The PQ of this baby, is honestly just a notch below Sony quality. No joke.
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How do you post the results of your Colour IQ?

I don't see any right-click copy image.
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That kinda makes more sense to bundle it in as the 35th BD has been OOP for a while in the UK (I know it's also just had a standalone BD release, but still), however it seems more and more likely that Lionsgate ballsed up the US release and pulled the wrong BD master for replication.
Makes me wonder what the mono situation is on the UK release now.
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I will be seeing a 35mm screening of Halloweeon on October 16 and will report back how it compares to the 4K.
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You just reminded me of the absurdity of that scene. Not only would one knife pin someone to the wall like it did but a stab in the stomach would not instantly kill someone like it did.

Oh well, the movie is still fun.
I weirdly thought about this as well and the fact he stabbed the knife in with the sharp point down...come on that would never hold the guy up and he'd slide right off! (I still love it as well!)
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I don't see any right-click copy image.
Screenshot it and host it on an image site.
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My original copy wouldn't play. Glad to say the replacement copy works fine.

Definitely the best Halloween has looked to me. I noticed a lot of little details and the sound was excellent as well.

It's not going to make it into my top looking UHDs but it's still a solid effort and a worthy upgrade.
Glad I’m not the only one who got a bad disc. Gonna return it today and hopefully get a good one.
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Old 09-30-2018, 12:45 PM   #2419
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Default Dolby Vision 4K BD review, OPPO 203 into Sony 65ZD9

Watched this last night, starting off at about midnight right after I'd gone from one American Psycho to another. First off, yes, the pumpkin at the start does look a LOT less orange than the 35th anniversary transfer but something else I noticed is that the geometry of the title sequence was also quite different, the 4K's credits looking fatter and wider which I'll post a photo of at the end.

I've got to say that I spotted no overt flickering whatsoever, maybe just a hint of density flutter in the darkest moments but whatever it is that's making it blatantly flicker on other people's TVs isn't doing it on mine. Goes without saying that I have no contrast enhancers or motion interpolators turned on, but I'll say it anyway. The black levels themselves are indeed quite thin and grey but this is entirely by design as the 35th transfer is very much the same, it's a look unto itself and I'm already used to it from the 35th so no complaints here.

The colour loses the slightly warmer tint of the 35th and looks more muted, not "monochromatic" by any stretch but definitely with a slightly more desaturated vibe. It doesn't always track from shot to shot and things like skin tones can actually look a touch fuller while the surroundings are less vibrant, sometimes it's the opposite. Reds look excellent on the 4K though, looking truly red while the 35th veers towards more of an orangey cast owing to that warmer hue. Even something like the tail lights of the car that Michael drives away in are nicely improved, not so much the main shot with the nurse but that final shot of the car zooming into the night, the lights are almost completely faded in the 35th but still have a deep red on the 4K.

HDR usage is excellent, not in a "I can see it from space" kinda way but in the way that the flat, bright lighting in the daylight exteriors of the 35th is pulled down into something a bit moodier, revealing a nice little extension to highlight detail in the process. And Nick Castle can rest easy, the reveal of The Shape in the closet still looks wonderful as his ghostly visage is slowly brought up from the darkness.

Grain is more abundant than the 35th, mostly due to the grain being clipped out of the brighter spots on that previous SDR transfer, and although the improvement in detail doesn't immediately leap off the screen (if you're familiar with the 35th, anyways) it's dredging up every last bit of acuity that this 35mm anamorphic source can muster. When I was checking the "speed kills!" scene the horizontal lines on PJ Soles' T-shirt are much more finely resolved, for example. Small gains for sure then, ones that some people will have rolled their eyes at when they just read that, but it's not about lines on a T-shirt but more the cumulative effect that this has, the 4K just looks 'tighter' than the 35th.

While things like the infamous Halloween hair have indeed been painted out for the 4K it actually has more overt dirt & damage in other areas vs the 35th, with more white specks and marks showing up. Even on the white-on-black location titles there are little white dots baked in to the optical visible against the black background that aren't there on the 35th, which looks clean as a whistle in those shots. New transfer = new clean-up pass with different priorities so I'm not knocking it, just pointing it out is all.

Something to add re: the Dolby Vision grey bar problem on Sony sets, I watched this in DV even though all that darkness would inevitably lead to the black bars looking quite grey. Sure enough, in the title sequence the whole image looks raised whereas the 35th Blu-ray titles are deep and dark, letterbox dark, so that glowing pumpkin looks amazing, like it's floating in mid-air in front of me, whereas the pumpkin in DV looked a lot flatter because of the raised blacks. However, when I played the 4K in HDR10 I actually got the exact same thing happen on the title sequence as on the DV, the whole screen still looked sightly raised from black and when I spot-checked several scenes - admittedly having to switch the disc from one player to another - nothing stood out in terms of the black bars being truly blacker or not, and some scenes still had a nice amount of density whenever they had a more contrasty light source in the shot (which is kinda how contrast works).

Overall then I'm not as bowled over by this as some people because the 35th anniversary BD was already clearly sourced from camera negative and was already supervised by Dean Cundey and it already looked great (for what it is), but the 4K adds a pleasant HDR pass and refines the colours further, along with whatever spatial detail it can find. The lack of the original mono track may well be a deal-breaker for some but I've had a few years to get used to the 5.1 remix (expanded into 7.1 a few years back) and so it's not as heinous an outcome for me as on other remixes of this ilk, and it doesn't completely throw out the original effects and foley in the process.

Couple of pics then, not to compare HDR, sharpness or whatever but just to show the difference in the geometry of the opening titles, the 4K is deffo fatter. If not the exact same frame (difficult on titles) then only a frame or so out. Open them in a new window and tab between them, the difference in size should become obvious.

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Hair today, gone tomorrow (look at the bottom of the image, exact same frame on both):

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