Mission: Impossible 1-5 4K UHDs (1996-2015)

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Except they don't, the Blade Runner Final Cut 5.1 DTS Ma sounds way better then the atmos track which sounds messy and disorganized

I haven’t compared them but if that’s indeed the case then it was the fault of whoever did the upmix, not Dolby’s fault. They simply provide the technology and it’s up to companies to use it appropriately.

[pi2loc]

About the Atmos, not Atmos talk:

Ignoring the Nolan's films, Hell or High Water comes to mind. In some cases, the Atmos mix - if not done right - could be worse than original DTS MA. In other cases, it just doesn't work for the film the way the director intended.

The issue here is, how to find out what works best for these films. I have an Atmos setup but that doesn't mean I want every single movie I own in that format. However, if we know for sure that Atmos could take the sound of these movies to another level and they simply just choose not to, that's another story.

I hope we get a confirmation from Paramount soon. I bought the MI trilogy years ago and always wanted the sound and picture of the first three upgraded, so for me, Atmos or not Atmos, this is incredible news!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by samlop10

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From a purist’s standpoint, I can see wanting to have the original 5.1 track on the UHD, but once more, if done correctly, the 5.1 bed of the Atmos track should sound exactly the same. So really, there’s no good reason why Paramount should not include an Atmos upmix. For people that are well informed about it, it will make them happy or neutral regardless of whether they’re purists or not because they know it shouldn’t compromise the original sound if done with care. Plus, they can easily include the original alongside the immersive track.

Right, but what happens when they DO change the sound effects and/or the timing of music & effects? (He said, rhetorically.) It ends up being baked into the 7.1 mixdown, even the embedded DD 5.1 legacy track, and in the case of something like Blade Runner where they did NOT include the previous 5.1 mix then Geoff was not a happy bunny at only having the newly revised audio mix.

Yes, some studios are now including a DTS-HD 5.1 'back up' on most new Atmos movies but it's rather pointless because there are not going to be major differences between the mixdown and the separate 5.1, yet on catalogue stuff where the main track has been substantially revised they leave the legacy track out! Grrrrrrrr...

Originally Posted by xxstrataxx

I watched MI:1 2 nights ago for the first time in forever, prolly since it hit theaters in what '97? Wow that movie imo has not held up well. Plus, if it does get a remaster, I can't imagine how much worse the dated CGI would look. The whole last act with the train/helicopter action looked terrible.

Wut? I think the CG still looks amazing, that's some proper ILM goodness at work. Don't confuse a shit transfer for shit CG. Still love the movie to bits, by far and away (heh) it's my favourite MI flick.

[samlop10]

If I could make the decisions for companies, I would just always choose to have the original mix plus a separate Atmos upmix with every release that didn’t originally have one. Make everyone happy that way.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Right, but what happens when they DO change the sound effects and/or the timing of music & effects? (He said, rhetorically.) It ends up being baked into the 7.1 mixdown, even the embedded DD 5.1 legacy track, and in the case of something like Blade Runner where they did NOT include the previous 5.1 mix then Geoff was not a happy bunny at only having the newly revised audio mix.

Yes, some studios are now including a DTS-HD 5.1 'back up' on most new Atmos movies but it's rather pointless because there are not going to be major differences between the mixdown and the separate 5.1, yet on catalogue stuff where the main track has been substantially revised they leave the legacy track out! Grrrrrrrr...

Yeah that’s a risk which unfortunately most of us film and home theater enthusiasts don’t have a say in. I think the great majority of time Atmos upmixes are done well so I’m generally for it.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Atmos done right and setup properly is incredible.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Yeah that’s a risk which unfortunately most of us film and home theater enthusiasts don’t have a say in. I think the great majority of time Atmos upmixes are done well so I’m generally for it.

Revisionist remixes aren't a new phenom either of course. Exact same shit's been happening for decades now, be it mono into 5.1 or 5.1 into Atmos. Same deal back then as it is now: there's no excuse for leaving out the original tracks, if the studios did this as a matter of course then these kinds of discussions wouldn't have as much needle as they do. If Universal ever bring American Werewolf to UHD then they've got to dig the original mix out of somewhere, that 5.1 track is shockingly poor and upmixing it to DTS:X ain't really gonna help, you know?

[jh901]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Atmos doesn’t compromise actual sound quality when it’s setup and used well.

How confident are you that your set-up has the quality of sound I'm referring to? That's the problem, right there. Everyone is so invested in their own set-up that any constructive criticism is written off. Too much at stake. Can't risk having prior experiences, time, and money "invalidated".

I'm not anti-Atmos. I'm against the whining in every thread. And I'm also an advocate for understanding how important delta sigma D/A conversion is and the subsequent line stage pre amplification and how much goes wrong (never mind power amplification!). How many members here would alter their upgrade path after hearing what audiophile sound quality delivers? We'll never know if we don't start sharing experiences.

[cynatnite]

I'm with the "I don't know what any of you are talking about, but I think mine sounds good" crowd.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by jh901

How confident are you that your set-up has the quality of sound I'm referring to? That's the problem, right there. Everyone is so invested in their own set-up that any constructive criticism is written off. Too much at stake. Can't risk having prior experiences, time, and money "invalidated".

I'm not anti-Atmos. I'm against the whining in every thread. And I'm also an advocate for understanding how important delta sigma D/A conversion is and the subsequent line stage pre amplfication and how much goes wrong.

But that’s the other thing, now you’re talking about your setup. From your comments you seem like an audiophile and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. I’m not an audiophile but my system sounds plenty decent. If I was more of an audio enthusiast then maybe I’d agree with you but even then I wouldn’t expect everyone to dig as deep into audio as you do. That’s just a matter of personal interest. I’m slightly more interested in video quality than in sound quality but that is just a personal preference as well and I can’t expect everyone to do the same. You being disappointed that not everyone is an audiophile the way you are and judging others for it is stepping into not respecting people’s personal preferences and decisions.

As for the Atmos whining you either embrace whining in general in these forums or you block half the users. It’s an inherent human thing to do (lol) so you can’t really avoid it. In this particular case I agree with the Atmos whining because there’s no reason the upmix and original sounds cannot be both included. And TBH, the whining here hasn’t really gotten out of hand compared to other threads lol.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Revisionist remixes aren't a new phenom either of course. Exact same shit's been happening for decades now, be it mono into 5.1 or 5.1 into Atmos. Same deal back then as it is now: there's no excuse for leaving out the original tracks, if the studios did this as a matter of course then these kinds of discussions wouldn't have as much needle as they do. If Universal ever bring American Werewolf to UHD then they've got to dig the original mix out of somewhere, that 5.1 track is shockingly poor and upmixing it to DTS:X ain't really gonna help, you know?

Yeah I get what you’re saying. I do feel that with Atmos studios are now being more careful than before with their upmixes so that’s a good thing. I don’t think they should stop trying to improve home theater, however, based on those occasions when the content for it hasn’t worked as it should have. I completely agree that they should go back and correct when they’ve messed up but that won’t always happen.

I guess it doesn’t really hurt to vent frustration, stemming from studios’ mistakes, in these forums every once in a while.

[gates70]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Except they don't, the Blade Runner Final Cut 5.1 DTS Ma sounds way better then the atmos track which sounds messy and disorganized



No not really my soundbar and rears are set correctly it's the shitty atmos upkick on a MA soundtrack that's not needed. I have no issue with Atmos on brand new movies but anything before 7.1 was created is JUST BS Dolby and Atmos shills are trying to say sounds better and sorry it doesnt. I'm not triggered I just need to call out the bull s*** when I see it

Or better yet I'll wait till someone can tell me where these extra channels magically appear from a 5.1 masterless audio Channel where did the 2 extra channels come from??

As for Blade Runner, it sounds amazing in ATMOS and better than the DTS track.

Oh you have a soundbar...well sorry, to each their own and am glad to you soundbar people like them, but they are in no way a measuring stick to judge ATMOS. Not even close, sorry.

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by gates70

As for Blade Runner, it sounds amazing in ATMOS and better than the DTS track.

Oh you have a soundbar...well sorry, to each their own and am glad to you soundbar people like them, but they are in no way a measuring stick to judge ATMOS. Not even close, sorry.

And your setup is in what percentile? You can have your revisioned atmos blade runner soundtrack. I'll take the original legitimate 5.1 MA....as would criterion as would anyone purist of the film.

And you can look down all you want my soundbar is a 3.1 Channel and it sounds beautiful

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by jh901

Sound quality is what I'm getting. So few have any relevant experience. Curiosity is dying. It feels better to have it all figured out than to discover something new. Apparently.

There is no substitute for sound quality. The basics. I will demo. There won't be any takers. No curiosity.

You just killed your own argument. You should want Atmos. FULL RANGE for all speakers is encouraged by Dolby. No compromises - sound mixers can move a sound (object) to ANY speaker and not experience degradation or change in timbre.


Fact is for 5.1 sound mixers frequently handicap the surrounds to play on a wider variety of setups, including filtering off low bass and other EQ tricks.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

And your setup is in what percentile? You can have your revisioned atmos blade runner soundtrack. I'll take the original legitimate 5.1 MA....as would criterion as would anyone purist of the film.

And you can look down all you want my soundbar is a 3.1 Channel and it sounds beautiful

Legitimate 5.1? The 5.1 track is still revisionist.

[jceperley]

Originally Posted by Nagamura

I really hope they all have matching covers. Never was a fan of Rogue Nation's.

As long as it’s not those recent ones. I’d actually prefer the original one sheets - which, for the first three, all matched up with the Tom Cruise profile shot. Although the last few films haven’t had similar ones (although I really liked what they used on the standard covers for Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation - even if they don’t match).

[obriensg1]

Okay, if everybody wants to talk about Atmos versus 5.1, why don't we start a separate thread? This is about the release of the mission impossible films

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Legitimate 5.1? The 5.1 track is still revisionist.

Well, it was the "original" track for the "Final" version of the film, and it existed that way for over 10 years. Now it's gone, like tears in yadda yadda yadda

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Legitimate 5.1? The 5.1 track is still revisionist.

Not for the final cut which Ridley supervised.

I just want my 5.1 mixes if they are available and I believe they should be. Hopefully for the first 2 films.

[Nothing371]

I appreciate all the Atmos posts. They let me breeze through catching up on all my unread posts much faster.