Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[Jimllfaxit]

Watched this last night on SDR 4k tv and it looks good but think that my upscaled 35th bluray looks a tad sharper. Unless my player (Panasonic dmp400) is over sharpening when upscaling. I couldn't help but think the 4k looked a little soft but maybe more natural.

[dcx4610]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Just gotta say I love this poster and photo. One of the few stills from the shoot that really reflects the lighting in the film. And from an angle that's never seen in the movie too..

I have never seen a movie nail night time, shadows and the atmosphere of Halloween as well as this movie. You can practically smell Halloween in the opening scene. Dead leaves, latex masks, crisp air, pumpkin, burning candles.

I also love how Michael is never seen in broad daylight. Up until he kills Lynda and the movie is half over, you never even see the mask clearly. Even then, it's bathed in darkness and moonlight. Up until that point, he's either at a distance, blurred or distorted.

This is absolutely crucial to being "The Shape" in my opinion and something that has been lost with subsequent movies. Brilliant film making and especially for an indie movie and new director.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Dickieduvet

Only noticed it as young Michael is outside the Myers house approx 3:15 and lasts till he enters the house, also a couple of the shots during the Smith's Grove scene.

It's very obvious.

Not bothered by raised blacks, it's the blocks of black that are appearing in the greyer areas in the tracking shots.

Never seen anything like it before, rest of the film looks great.

No banding on my C8.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Markgway

I found something I think you guys might be interested in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siUj...ature=youtu.be

I wanna see a comp of 4k vs 2007 blu.

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

I don’t mess with any picture settings for HDR or SDR.

You didn't calibrate your display at all -- you just use default settings for the LG's dark room modes?

[Member-167298]

I apologize if this has already been addressed, but is it confirmed whether or not the UK UHD has the original mono?

Thanks in advance!

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by Colson

Well, this is rather embarrassing for me. I discovered last night that I've been watching The Twilight Zone (in mono) and using my center speaker only. I was flabbergasted that the great audio I had been hearing was coming only from my center speaker, and I realized that I had not fiddled with the mono setting since I got my new AV receiver several months back. I guess I've been using mono correctly since then. Even further, there must have been something horribly wrong with my old AVR, because damn, this center speaker sounds way better now than it ever did when dealing with mono tracks on the older receiver.

Anyway, to answer your questions, I am using a set of Kenwood speakers that are probably about 18 years old. I love them to death, and now I don't even have a complaint about the center speaker, haha.

I'll get around to replacing them eventually, but probably not until I go from 5.1 to Atmos, which probably won't happen in my one-bedroom apartment.

Kenwood speakers!?!

Wow -- didn't even know those were available (at least in a recent sense); I remember loving a lot of that company's gear...they made kick-ass stereo stuff (I owned some integrated amps, tape decks and CD changers) and even better car audio equipment (namely their head units).

I am glad that you seemed to have worked out the mono thing on your system, but I would start over when you can (the budget and the room) and match the left/center/right up properly (at least those three channels) so you can experience a seamless, cohesive front soundstage....maybe something from Polk or Klipsch (they're more affordable speaker brands relatively speaking).

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by PrestonXI

I apologize if this has already been addressed, but is it confirmed whether or not the UK UHD has the original mono?

Thanks in advance!

It has A mono but not the original.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

You didn't calibrate your display at all -- you just use default settings for the LG's dark room modes?

The out of box settings for ISF Day and Night and Technicolor are accurate with no clipping in contrast, colour, or black level so no I haven't changed those. I used 3 "calibration" discs as reference. Some lower the OLED light for SDR content but I love the look out of the box, I never have eye strain. I will be buying a meter strictly to adjust greyscale and measure peak luminance.

[IntelliVolume]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

The out of box settings for ISF Day and Night and Technicolor are accurate with no clipping in contrast, colour, or black level so no I haven't changed those. I used 3 "calibration" discs as reference. Some lower the OLED light for SDR content but I love the look out of the box, I never have eye strain. I will be buying a meter strictly to adjust greyscale and measure peak luminance.

I see; but you did verify using three different setup discs...

I have to get around to doing that with my Samsung 8 Series, as I'm having some serious picture quality issues, particularly in the blacks...

As it stands, the display's "Movie" mode offers great overall performance, but something is definitely wrong in the blacks and the way this edge-lit LCD "pumps" the light during dark sequences in films in a dark room; it's utterly off-putting. However, the other parameters such as contrast, sharpness, color, et al seem spot-on in this mode, much like your LG's ISF/Technicolor modes.

[barrycameron]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

There are massive audio issues, a 7.1 fold down to mono is an issue.
Changed missing and poor work in mono for no reason is an issue.
You may be fine with it, some people have higher standards tho

So I assume you have an issue with quite a lot of Blu-rays, DVDs and VHS? You need to let it go.

Originally Posted by MikeRoda

I did grow up in the time you describe, but here is my point. I've already owned the original bd of this film, which looked stunning, since then I've upgraded my home theatre to 4K and spent over $7K on it, so when this titled was announced I was thrilled to re-buy it. The end result is, I'll say it again, a downgrade from the original bd. No point of sugarcoating it. I'm posting this here to help people make a better decision. Buy the original BD if you truly want to be wowed by this film and regular HD is, as of now, the only way to do it. This 4K disc should have never been released.

I'm a professional photographer, so I am pretty technical when it comes to visuals. To me, it's an upgrade. I'm not going to even pretend to know about the best HDR settings, TVs, Players etc, because I'd be lying. You'll know yourself that a lot of Blu-ray releases out there are just upscaled DVDs. The same will happen for 4K now and again potentially? I don't know.....

But can't we at least be happy that we have a 4K transfer for a 40 year old classic? Instead of the heavily used recorded VHS?

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by barrycameron

So I assume you have an issue with quite a lot of Blu-rays, DVDs and VHS? You need to let it go.



I'm a professional photographer, so I am pretty technical when it comes to visuals. To me, it's an upgrade. I'm not going to even pretend to know about the best HDR settings, TVs, Players etc, because I'd be lying. You'll know yourself that a lot of Blu-ray releases out there are just upscaled DVDs. The same will happen for 4K now and again potentially? I don't know.....

But can't we at least be happy that we have a 4K transfer for a 40 year old classic? Instead of the heavily used recorded VHS?

When you make assumptions, you look stupid.
And if you compare everything in life to VHS you must be shocked by not rewinding Blu-ray's.

Are you a deaf photographer?
The audio mix is incorrect, wrong, not right, faulty, broken, pointless, stupid, bad, rubbish.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by barrycameron

You need to let it go.

He needs no such thing. These discs should be produced properly and respect the materials they present.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

He needs no such thing. These discs should be produced properly and respect the materials they present.

Happy 40th anniversary Halloween!
Totally not going to push you down the stairs for it

[rocknblues81]

So it seems that maybe people are thinking that the uptick in PQ makes up for the lack of a true mono audio?

[HAL9K]

Originally Posted by Markgway

I found something I think you guys might be interested in...

So after seeing that, EVERY shot on the 4K has more vibrant (and accurate imo) colors than the 35th Blu does. So why did several reviews have it the other way around? With the 4K being less saturated? According to that video, the 4K is certainly more than just a "slight" upgrade to the Blu and if it's accurate I may have just changed my mind and will make it my first 4K disc.

Edit: People talking about the original mono missing. We get it. But continuing to mention is isn't going to make it magically appear. Buy the box set & mux the original mono audio from the 35th with the 4K video and you're all set. Or.... wait for the 8K and see if they fix it.

[FubarFrenzy]

Originally Posted by HAL9K

According to that video, the 4K is most certainly a worthy upgrade to the Blu and if it's accurate I may have just changed my mind and will make it my first 4K disc.

That is what I thought. Unfortunately, it didn't work out on my OLED set.

[Geoff D]

The more I watch this the more I appreciate the little things. Grain looks a bit fuzzier in the 35th, for want of a better word, it's just not as well defined as it is on the 4K. And I never noticed before that on the cut to the house just after Annie is killed in the car it's momentarily out of focus and then it racks into place.

For a laugh I dug out the old Anchor Bay THX DVD and the later Divimax DVD and compared the audio across them, the messed up thing - and why I'm not as bonkers about the original audio missing as I oughta be - is that there isn't an original audio track between them! In other words: had I ever even heard the original mono until I bought the Spanish Blu-ray just last year?

Even the "original theatrical mono" on the THX DVD is a downmix, with the other "2.0" track actually being a 4.0 L/R/SL/SR layout which is weird enough, and weirder still it has the proper stinger when Michael grabs Annie in the car but also has the added thunder during the drive to Smith's Grove. The 5.1 on the THX has the alternative stinger, as does the "original mono" track. So bizarre. On the Divimax DVD they didn't even try to pretend that they had the original mono, the only audio is "2.0 surround" and 5.1.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by HAL9K

Edit: People talking about the original mono missing. We get it. But continuing to mention is isn't going to make it magically appear. Buy the box set & mux the original mono audio from the 35th with the 4K video and you're all set. Or.... wait for the 8K and see if they fix it.

Halloween got 3 different releases on blu ray, im pretty sure there will be another on 4k.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

So it seems that maybe people are thinking that the uptick in PQ makes up for the lack of a true mono audio?

PQ does definitely seem to be an uptick, i think the original mono audio thing will be a personal decision.

Im sure also some are excited about seeing a beloved movie with the latest bells and whistles and are knowingly buying a flawed disc because they are excited about the PQ uptick.

You can always sell old disc on ebay and take a small loss, you know? Personally though I wouldnt as its a virtual guarantee it will get a 4k rerelease down the road, and Id rather have the original mono than a minor PQ uptick if I had to choose. No need to get double dipped by LG.