Braveheart 4K UHD (1995)

[David Craig]

Just received my 4k Braveheart at work. Rushing home tonight to watch it on my...oh wait, my new TV has not arrived yet.

[Fat Phil]

Originally Posted by David Craig

Just received my 4k Braveheart at work. Rushing home tonight to watch it on my...oh wait, my new TV has not arrived yet.

Just rub the slipcover against your face and say "Mmmmmmmmmm". Should tide you over until the new TV arrives.

[MrBrown]

While some shots seem to wow.. i think this shot makes me pass on the UHD BD:
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=...7&l=0&i=6&go=1

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MrBrown

While some shots seem to wow.. i think this shot makes me pass on the UHD BD:
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=...7&l=0&i=6&go=1

Is he moving in that shot? Looks like motion blur to me, that might be killing the temporal resolution in this instance.

[edit] Although I've just noticed the war paint, it looks all ****ed up and posterised in the 4K. How weird.

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The better the Blu-ray then the greater the diminishing returns in terms of sheer spatial resolution that a 4K transfer can offer, though it's ironic that some of the absolute biggest gains seen on recent 35mm remasters compared to decent enough Blu-rays were for 1.85 shows like Starship Troopers and Saving Private Ryan. What that's about I don't know.

Hm, I didn't get this impression. ST BD wasn't that decent. Ancient and rather mediocre master. SPR had much better BD and gains are rather similar to Braveheart in terms of resolution.

Yeah, that warpaint shot is odd. But I guess I understand what happened. It's blue similar to the sky behind, so perhaps filters for elimination of debris and print damage was calibrated to do it on blue background for that shot. So it did it's job on Wallace's face too. And the guy responsible didn't even notice.

[infiniteCR]

Looks like sloppy digital color tinkering.

[Geoff D]

I was never the greatest fan of SPR's BD either, admittedly that was more for the colour than anything but still, it wasn't as good as people thought.

[FilmBufffff]

Originally Posted by Yellbean2002

My Bestbuy had at least 100 Black Panther 4K but I got their 1 sole copy of Braveheart and they had no Gladiator 4K

Same here, except mine had one copy of Gladiator as well. So glad I got there early this morning. I got the last Rick and Morty exclusive steelbook as well. The only movie I didn't buy was the one they had hundreds of.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by infiniteCR

Looks like sloppy digital color tinkering.

Yeah, I'm being reminded of John Travolta's red war paint in Grease all of a sudden. Note that the tone of the blue of Mel's actual war paint is identical to the sky, perhaps some sort of keying was put on that colour in that shot for whatever reasons and it's wiped out the detail on his blue makeup too.

[infiniteCR]

Its not possible that the blue portion of the gamut is being compressed downwards for the SDR conversion that would reduce some of the bit depth and make some of the gradations in blue basically disappear in the comparison? I have no idea how they manage these clinical screencaps.

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by infiniteCR

Its not possible that the blue portion of the gamut is being compressed downwards for the SDR conversion that would reduce some of the bit depth and make some of the gradations in blue basically disappear in the comparison? I have no idea how they manage these clinical screencaps.

I think it is possible. Because I've actually seen similar/worse. So this might very well be some form of color clipping. I'm not saying it is, but it might be.

At any rate people shouldn't forget that they are looking at SDR converted caps here.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Interesting that there's not scads and scads of newly resolved spatial detail there though, much like Die Hard. Peter opined that we were seeing the limits of Super 35 on UHDs like Gladiator but I think we're also seeing 4-perf anamorphic hit a brick wall on some discs. Yes, Sony have smashed it on titles like A Few Good Men but let's be honest: would that wow us as much as it does if it actually had a decently-mastered Blu-ray to go with it all these years, rather than some creaky MPEG-2 relic? The better the Blu-ray then the greater the diminishing returns in terms of sheer spatial resolution that a 4K transfer can offer, though it's ironic that some of the absolute biggest gains seen on recent 35mm remasters compared to decent enough Blu-rays were for 1.85 shows like Starship Troopers and Saving Private Ryan. What that's about I don't know.

I'm not saying that this means the Braveheart UHD is worthless, just look at my Die Hard review: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post15059132, for despite not having a huge advance in resolution these 4K versions bring a tighter, more organic texture with newly-balanced colour and surprisingly impactful HDR and that alone makes them worthwhile for a serial upgrader like myself - but it just goes to show that not all movies are created equal when it comes to worshipping at the altar of the almighty K, the one true home video god! And to think people still say that 8K would be worth it for 4/35, to which I say: Pfffffffffffffffffft.

8K would only be worth it for 8/35 (if 4/35=4K, wouldn't 8/35=8K?), 70mm, and IMAX 15/70. I never thought we'd see the day that you'd start to hit the resolving limits of 35mm negatives, but that appears to be the case.

It is indeed strange that a 1.85:1 film with a smaller negative size than anamorphic 2.40 seems to give bigger gains. I guess it all depends on how the film was shot (film stock, lenses, etc) and how good the existing BD is. With SPR I'm quite shocked that there's as much of a jump up as there is, as the existing disc is already stellar.

I keep reading these posts from Geoffy and others who gush about HDR and wonderful looking grain and I keep kicking myself for not being on the UHD train yet. It calls me..sweetly...I try and resist yet I cannot look away...

[roadwarrior980]

Gladiator and Braveheart digital codes are now redeemable in UHD on Vudu

[Joce]

Someone who restored the french movie Les Tontons Flingueurs (1963) in 4K said that the resolution of the OCN was equivalent to 5K/5,5K, so even the 4K scan did not extract all the details. I don't know if it was filmed in 35mm 4perf though.

[Juan127]

So Braveheart is one of my all time fav movies and im super pumped to watch it tonight. I preordered it off Amazon like months ago and today it seems like it was in postal limbo and i have no idea when ill get it (prob tomorrow) so i went to best buy to get a copy and they only had one in stock???? i found it after like a 20 min search.. ill just return my amazon order tomorrow at bb....but yea how does my local best buy only get one copy? also they only got one copy of gladiator? Kinda weird on two big releases...is this so people only focus on the 200 copies of black panther instead?

[maverick22]

Originally Posted by Juan127

So Braveheart is one of my all time fav movies and im super pumped to watch it tonight. I preordered it off Amazon like months ago and today it seems like it was in postal limbo and i have no idea when ill get it (prob tomorrow) so i went to best buy to get a copy and they only had one in stock???? i found it after like a 20 min search.. ill just return my amazon order tomorrow at bb....but yea how does my local best buy only get one copy? also they only got one copy of gladiator? Kinda weird on two big releases...is this so people only focus on the 200 copies of black panther instead?

Yep, I don’t get it either. Only 1 copy left after mine at a nearby store. At another one there was only 1 on the shelf at about 10:45 also! I don’t expect them to carry 30 or anything, but at least 10 per store or something.

[LordoftheRings]

It's probably because everybody have already seen Braveheart (1995) and Gladiator (2000) years ago.
They are great flicks but 20-years old.
And Black Panther is brand new from this year, plus it's a new huge blockbuster.

The people who buy 20-years old flicks are us, the minority of addicted 4K film maniacs.
Everybody else, the masses they buy new Disney flicks; Black Panther and Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

That's why the quantity on the store shelves varies by a ratio of roughly twenty to one.
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Saving Private Ryan (1998), another 20-years old flick, and Die Hard (1988), 30-years old.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Saving Private Ryan (1998), another 20-years old flick, and Die Hard (1988), 30-years old.

And all superior to the infantilized shit they trowel out today.

[TwistedAmnesia]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And all superior to the infantilized shit they trowel out today.

Precisely

[HoangLan]

I've just done wandering around on caps-a-holic and now got confused. Why do 4k images look like upscaled to me ??