Terminator: Dark Fate 4K UHD (2019)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I read an interview earlier today, will have to find the link later, of Tim Miller's reaction to the negative reactions to the film.

The dude is so ****ing soft. He basically blamed it on all Terminator fans that had preconceived notions about it, based on their nostalgic admiration for T2.

How about just not making a shitty movie, guy?

Then call me soft because I've been saying the same thing since the moment I got back from seeing it

(Have you, y'know, seen it yet though to form your own opinion?)

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Then call me soft because I've been saying the same thing since the moment I got back from seeing it

If anything, I don't think people want another T2.

It already felt like that was retreaded to a degree in 'Rise of the Machines'--and ironically, it feels like Miller actually attempted to recreate that same formula with this film, hence the critical comparison to 'The Last Jedi.'

I've still yet to see the movie. Probably waiting for home release. But even if I end up liking it--which is very well possible--I just wish the dude could take a criticism that didn't result in him getting ultra sensitive and defensive about everything.

Side note: What the **** @ them using the same T-800 designs from 'Genisys'.

Talk about lazy filmmaking.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I read an interview earlier today, will have to find the link later, of Tim Miller's reaction to the negative reactions to the film.

The dude is so ****ing soft. He basically blamed it on all Terminator fans that had preconceived notions about it, based on their nostalgic admiration for T2.

How about just not making a shitty movie, guy?

Really Tim? Was bringing back Linda Hamilton and Arnold, and a cgi Ed Furlong supposed to be a stroke of genius or something? Of course not! It was nostalgia bait just as the marketing and media buzz was nostalgia bait. You made a movie that was a direct follow up to T2... like no shit that fans were going in with certain expectations, because you set the stage for it. Just as you set the stage for backlash by putting in that scene for shock value and controversy. Be a man, and own your decision making.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

If anything, I don't think people want another T2.

It already felt like that was retreaded to a degree in 'Rise of the Machines'--and ironically, it feels like Miller actually attempted to recreate that same formula with this film, hence the critical comparison to 'The Last Jedi.'

I've still yet to see the movie. Probably waiting for home release. But even if I end up liking it--which is very well possible--I just wish the dude could take a criticism that didn't result in him getting ultra sensitive and defensive about everything.

Side note: What the **** @ them using the same T-800 designs from 'Genisys'.

Talk about lazy filmmaking.

Let us know what you think when you finally see it!

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Let us know what you think when you see it!

I honestly hope I'm wrong about my predictions for it.

I was rooting for it all summer long, even when I saw footage I didn't necessarily care for.

I am a little put off at them rehashing the same design work from the film it's supposed to be retconning, though. I hated the Terminator designs from Genisys, and I have no idea why they used them again, considering it was an entirely new production crew. It's almost like using stock footage, it's strange.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I read an interview earlier today, will have to find the link later, of Tim Miller's reaction to the negative reactions to the film.

The dude is so ****ing soft. He basically blamed it on all Terminator fans that had preconceived notions about it, based on their nostalgic admiration for T2.

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

[gundamcero]

I have seen it and while a decent action movie the story is trash. Series ends at T2 for me. Miller is now another director I have no interest in his future movies. Right there with Rian Johnson.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I honestly hope I'm wrong about my predictions for it.

I was rooting for it all summer long, even when I saw footage I didn't necessarily care for.

I am a little put off at them rehashing the same design work from the film it's supposed to be retconning, though. I hated the Terminator designs from Genisys, and I have no idea why they used them again, considering it was an entirely new production crew. It's almost like using stock footage, it's strange.

Even though it cost a ****ton of money I wouldn't bet against them re-using the CG assets for those Terminators from Genisys to save money, rather than recreating the proper T-800 from digital scratch for all of 22 seconds (yes I timed it ).

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I read an interview earlier today, will have to find the link later, of Tim Miller's reaction to the negative reactions to the film.

The dude is so ****ing soft. He basically blamed it on all Terminator fans that had preconceived notions about it, based on their nostalgic admiration for T2.

How about just not making a shitty movie, guy?

Tim Miller is to Terminator, what Rian Johnson is to Star Wars. We fans like T2 because it’s an incredible action and sci-fi movie. These people have no business making movies.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Tim Miller is to Terminator, what Rian Johnson is to Star Wars. We fans like T2 because it’s an incredible action and sci-fi movie. These people have no business making movies.

T2 feels incredibly dated now. I am much happier with DF.

[gundamcero]

Lol what. The effects in T2 still look better than the fake cgi in Fate.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by gundamcero

Lol what. The effects in T2 still look better than the fake cgi in Fate.

I really don't think that's the case at all. I watched the 3D conversion of T2 recently, the effects looked very old and unconvincing, even worse was that the pacing of the movie didn't seem as tight as it did back when it was a newish film.

DF easily blows it out of the water in every regard, and then some.

[gundamcero]

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

I really don't think that's the case at all. I watched the 3D conversion of T2 recently, the effects looked very old and unconvincing, even worse was that the pacing of the movie didn't seem as tight as it did back when it was a newish film.

DF easily blows it out of the water in every regard, and then some.

You’re not the only one who thinks like that. Marvel is a multi billion dollar industry. It’s a shame standards of quality no longer exist.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

You’re not the only one who thinks like that. Marvel is a multi billion dollar industry. It’s a shame standards of quality no longer exist.

Marvel has nothing to do with Terminator

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Marvel has nothing to do with Terminator

Same crap. Legendary filmmakers such as Scorsese, Spielberg, etc. are starting to speak up. Hollywood is in serious trouble.

[Himmel]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I read an interview earlier today, will have to find the link later, of Tim Miller's reaction to the negative reactions to the film.

The dude is so ****ing soft. He basically blamed it on all Terminator fans that had preconceived notions about it, based on their nostalgic admiration for T2.

How about just not making a shitty movie, guy?

Glad Miller isn't afraid to tell it like it is.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Marvel has nothing to do with Terminator

But DF and others are heavily influenced by Marvel. Because, you know, money.

These popcorn movies today can't be their own thing because the studios want a piece of the Marvel formula thinking that will drive audiences and their cash.

A lot of Terminator fans were clamoring for a back to basics story... small scale, character driven, gritty, adult, grounded, and reliant on mostly in-camera effects and stunts like the originals.

Instead Miller and Co. threw a bunch of crap on the wall to see what would stick. The stunt pieces became more and more ludicrous and reliant on CG as the movie moved forward.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Same crap. Legendary filmmakers such as Scorsese, Spielberg, etc. are starting to speak up. Hollywood is in serious trouble.

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

But DF and others are heavily influenced by Marvel. Because, you know, money.

These popcorn movies today can't be their own thing because the studios want a piece of the Marvel formula thinking that will drive audiences and their cash.

A lot of Terminator fans were clamoring for a back to basics story... small scale, character driven, gritty, adult, grounded, and reliant on mostly in-camera effects and stunts like the originals.

Instead Miller and Co. threw a bunch of crap on the wall to see what would stick. The stunt pieces became more and more ludicrous and reliant on CG as the movie moved forward.

I thought it was a great reinvention of the franchise. Glad that they made it, there's nothing about it I would change.

[levcore]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

But DF and others are heavily influenced by Marvel. Because, you know, money.

These popcorn movies today can't be their own thing because the studios want a piece of the Marvel formula thinking that will drive audiences and their cash.

A lot of Terminator fans were clamoring for a back to basics story... small scale, character driven, gritty, adult, grounded, and reliant on mostly in-camera effects and stunts like the originals.

Instead Miller and Co. threw a bunch of crap on the wall to see what would stick. The stunt pieces became more and more ludicrous and reliant on CG as the movie moved forward.

I agree about the Marvel influence but I think this was far more evident with Genisys.