Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[fred25_Ca]

Originally Posted by The80s

I've never heard of them. I hope they're good. I'll pick my copy up at B&N when it arrives if it looks interesting. I'll scan through the pages and see.

Just ordered a copy too, it was cheaper than I figured delivering to Canada, 16$ CAN for the whole thing, not bad! I just finished reading the novelization of Halloween 78 and it was fairly interesting, thought I didn't like parts where we saw from Micheal's point of view, it demystified him too much
I'm also currently reading the book Taking shapes, which is really interesting. Can never get enough behind the scenes of the Halloween movies haha.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by The80s

Is there a limit to how many times they'll try and replace something so is it basically unlimited, for as long as your patience will hold up?

I don't push things far enough to find out. And it definitely does get tiring so I don't like to do it. They seem to have some mysterious formula/threshold that if you go over, you could trigger some warnings. My girlfriend's account got a warning many years ago due to a lot of returns around the holiday season, but we explained in a reply email that most of the things we returned that season were bought as gifts and they arrived in unacceptable condition, and they replied that we never should have gotten the warning in the first place and if we are not happy with how something arrives we definitely don't have to worry about returning it.

I don't like to abuse or take advantage of the situation but when I buy something new I expect it to arrive in new condition, whether it's a gift or for myself. A small ding in a corner of a board game box for example is okay for me, if it's not bad. But if the top is crushed in, or all scratched up, back it goes.

We're also Prime so maybe they allow a bit more if you're a Prime member? There's lots of articles out there on what triggers an Amazon warning, but again, it's all guesswork - is it a certain number of returns within a certain period of time? A certain dollar value? A certain type of item?

[The80s]

Originally Posted by fred25_Ca

Just ordered a copy too, it was cheaper than I figured delivering to Canada, 16$ CAN for the whole thing, not bad! I just finished reading the novelization of Halloween 78 and it was fairly interesting, thought I didn't like parts where we saw from Micheal's point of view, it demystified him too much
I'm also currently reading the book Reading shapes, which is really interesting. Can never get enough behind the scenes of the Halloween movies haha.

You should check out Taking Shape. It's pretty good. I'm in the middle of Taking Shape II right now.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I've used Amazon weekly for like 10 years now and I've returned maybe 2 or 3 things that entire time for damage. Maybe your delivery guy is a sadist or maybe you're super anal, but either way don't assume your experience is common. Amazon exist to make money, so if their packaging cost them more in returns than they save using it, they wouldn't use it. They're not trolling you.

I never suggested they were "trolling" me. But there are literally threads all over the internet about damaged items from Amazon. The board game forums are full of complaints. So is this one. And pretty much every other forum where people buy things from Amazon.

Some aren't as critical and that's fine if they're not bothered by dents, damage, cracked cases, crushed box tops, etc - but those who are more picky shouldn't feel guilt for wanting their stuff to look nice.

As far as scratches, I don't accept scratched discs unless it's minor. And that's becoming more of an issue over the years. When I open a new set and see 3 of the 10 discs have a half-dozen scuffs or scratch marks, it's going back, because A) it might affect re-sale value later if I sell it, and B) it might affect playback, if not on my current player, then maybe my next one.

Amazon makes billions. They don't care about bleeding money in returns because they make so much they literally couldn't care about even millions of returns. But they are absolutely losing money on it. I'm not saying it's putting them into a deficit obviously. But it's money lost every time they throw away another return and ship another one out for free. Many of those items were returned simply due to damage from poor handling by the carriers and no proper packaging by Amazon. And they throw away millions of items a year in returns. This is a fact. I was reading an article about it just last week - millions of Amazon returns end up in landfills every year. They also throw away tons of perfectly good items for various reasons. Read here:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/21/2...-investigation
Amazon labels millions of unsold products for destruction, new investigation finds
A peek inside the ‘destruction zone’ at one Amazon warehouse in the UK

[fred25_Ca]

Originally Posted by The80s

You should check out Taking Shape. It's pretty good. I'm in the middle of Taking Shape II right now.

Haha, I wrote Reading Shape but I meant Taking Shape, that's what i'm reading right now. They mentioned the novelization and that's how I heard about it and went to buy it on kindle. What's Taking Shape 2 about?

[The80s]

Originally Posted by fred25_Ca

Haha, I wrote Reading Shape but I meant Taking Shape, that's what i'm reading right now. They mentioned the novelization and that's how I heard about it and went to buy it on kindle. What's Taking Shape 2 about?

Unmade sequels and what they would have been about and why they didn't get made.

[fred25_Ca]

Originally Posted by The80s

Unmade sequels and what they would have been about and why they didn't get made.

Nice, I just read a book about Jaws Unmade, I quite enjoyed it. I might give Taking Shape 2 a go then, thanks!

[fred25_Ca]

Any chances we might get the tv cut? I was just reading about it in Taking Shape and i'm surprised we haven't seen it on home video yet. After the 1976 King Kong tv cut released by shout factory, you'd think they would be pushing for Halloween to have it too.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by fred25_Ca

Any chances we might get the tv cut? I was just reading about it in Taking Shape and i'm surprised we haven't seen it on home video yet. After the 1976 King Kong tv cut released by shout factory, you'd think they would be pushing for Halloween to have it too.

TV cut of what?

Anchor Bay made a SD 480p widescreen version for Halloween ‘78 extended version with the TV scenes reinserted in 2000. Scream then rebuilt it in 1080p in 2016.

Scream also released the TV cut of Halloween II but as an exact copy taken from a 4x3 TV master.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by fred25_Ca

Any chances we might get the tv cut? I was just reading about it in Taking Shape and i'm surprised we haven't seen it on home video yet. After the 1976 King Kong tv cut released by shout factory, you'd think they would be pushing for Halloween to have it too.

It was already included in the previous boxset, and it’s on the bonus disc here.

[fred25_Ca]

Oh wow, I had no idea. Awesome! I did not own the previous box set, so I had no idea. Glad to hear it will be on this new release!

[RoxanneTheThiccWolf]

So, going back a few pages and looking at the press release of the new upcoming UHD, I noticed there is a third Blu-ray disc included that's label "Original Color Timing". What's this suppose to mean exactly? Does this mean the transfer for the upcoming collector's edition UHD from Shout will not have the same color timing the film had when it was first released in theaters in 1978 and will have a revisionist color grading instead?

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by RoxanneTheThiccWolf

So, going back a few pages and looking at the press release of the new upcoming UHD, I noticed there is a third Blu-ray disc included that's label "Original Color Timing". What's this suppose to mean exactly? Does this mean the transfer for the upcoming collector's edition UHD from Shout will not have the same color timing the film had when it was first released in theaters in 1978 and will have a revisionist color grading instead?

Or maybe it means that the other Blu-ray will have the original BLU’s color timing.

[jstxanothrxstory]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

It was already included in the previous boxset, and it’s on the bonus disc here.

I wish people would stop saying this. The TV cut of Halloween wasn't in the previous box set - it was just the 'extended' cut that's merely a composite of the theatrical cut with the television footage spliced in.

[Conan The Barbarian]

Originally Posted by fred25_Ca

Just ordered a copy too, it was cheaper than I figured delivering to Canada, 16$ CAN for the whole thing, not bad! I just finished reading the novelization of Halloween 78 and it was fairly interesting, thought I didn't like parts where we saw from Micheal's point of view, it demystified him too much
I'm also currently reading the book Taking shapes, which is really interesting. Can never get enough behind the scenes of the Halloween movies haha.

I finished reading it a week or so ago. Yea, not liking how they sexualized him stalking the girls. I wasn’t fan of the description of the mask( red lips?), I also wasn’t a fan of how the author went into full middle aged woman sex book when it came to describing the sex scenes.


But, it was a quick read and found it funny that some Halloween 2 lines were in there .

[Telemachus]

Originally Posted by RoxanneTheThiccWolf

So, going back a few pages and looking at the press release of the new upcoming UHD, I noticed there is a third Blu-ray disc in

No one knows yet. It's possible it could be the 2007 Blu Ray. I'm hoping it's the 4K remaster but with the DVD era style color timing done over it.

[davidthenikonuser]

Originally Posted by RoxanneTheThiccWolf

So, going back a few pages and looking at the press release of the new upcoming UHD, I noticed there is a third Blu-ray disc included that's label "Original Color Timing". What's this suppose to mean exactly? Does this mean the transfer for the upcoming collector's edition UHD from Shout will not have the same color timing the film had when it was first released in theaters in 1978 and will have a revisionist color grading instead?

All it means is it's the original blu-ray that was released. When the 35th anniversary blu-ray came out it had different color timing and a lot of people didn't like it and liked the older blu's color timing better. When Scream released there box set it had the original blu and the 35th blu. So this new 4k release Scream is just adding the original blu-ray as an extra like they did on the box set.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by davidthenikonuser

All it means is it's the original blu-ray that was released. When the 35th anniversary blu-ray came out it had different color timing and a lot of people didn't like it and liked the older blu's color timing better. When Scream released there box set it had the original blu and the 35th blu. So this new 4k release Scream is just adding the original blu-ray as an extra like they did on the box set.

It's very poor wording. There's nothing "original" about it. If it's just the first blu-ray release, I'm not even sure why they would include it. It's nothing like the original theatrical release. They aren't including the previous "de-saturated" release, and that one has it's fans too.

And the first blu-ray release will pale in comparison to the new 4k remaster, color aside. At least they could use the new 4k master as a base and recreate the "original" blu-ray coloring if offering the old blu-ray's color timing as an option is their goal. Who would want to watch that old blu-ray when they could watch a new blu-ray using the new scan? They could easily match the coloring of the old blu-ray using the new master. I've even seen fan editors use techniques that match new masters to old DVD and laserdisc coloring, with surprisingly accurate results.

[SML]

Watched Lion's Gate 4K release last night on an OLED in Dolby Vision.
Brightness on OLED was set to 50, but found the black levels to be very milky/grey.
Is this just how the 4K was mastered or should I lower the brightness in general, as setting it to 49 or 48 made the blacks look much better in my opinion?

Thanks for any help/advice.

[Telemachus]

Originally Posted by SML

Watched Lion's Gate 4K release last night on an OLED in Dolby Vision.
Brightness on OLED was set to 50, but found the black levels to be very milky/grey.
Is this just how the 4K was mastered or should I lower the brightness in general, as setting it to 49 or 48 made the blacks look much better in my opinion?

Thanks for any help/advice.

Always dial down when this happens. I've gotten in the habit of calibrating quick from movie to movie, writing down all the settings. Just go as dark as you can before crush sets in, and that's it. Older films almost always need to be adjusted from my experience. The 35th BD is the same way, I have to dial it down a tad to get inky blacks. The first three Rambo 4Ks needed the same. You should not just be watching it with grey/milky tones.