Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[tazz13]

lol I meant from what site

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by mad_max2000

Probably not for at least a year. Maybe next year for the release of Halloween Ends.

Hopefully with the proper mono.

[flash.over]

Originally Posted by tazz13

How is everyone in Canada choosing to order these?

I would’ve went with Amazon Canada, but I hastily went with Diabolik before Amazon listed them and they only refund store credit haha. I chose priority shipping so hopefully it doesn’t take more than a week to arrive lol

[tazz13]

Originally Posted by flash.over

I would’ve went with Amazon Canada, but I hastily went with Diabolik before Amazon listed them and they only refund store credit haha. I chose priority shipping so hopefully it doesn’t take more than a week to arrive lol

Yeah I have them pre-ordered on Amazon (and with a $50 gift card), but I'm contemplating just biting the bullet directly through Shout even though the cost is crazy just because I know I'll probably get it quicker and better packaged.

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

by loonie?

Hey loonie, get your ass away from there.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by tazz13

How is everyone in Canada choosing to order these?

Amazon. ca for parts 1,2 and 4..

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Again with that "BETTER" thing when it comes to remixes. So many people saying the exact same word. You're right that there's no point in debating it because how do we define "BETTER", it's a completely subjective term that means different things to different people. But hey...it's just "BETTER" and that's the fact, Jack!

Snark aside, I have no doubt that you would swear up and down that the unfiltered mono would sound better to you coming out of your TV's speakers rather than an even handed and subtle lossless ATMOS surround track on a carefully calibrated system.

I'm sure you would find it to be more cinematic.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

NEW Atmos track guys Brittany makes that look.


Maybe it will be the one to change my mind about Atmos

Do you have an ATMOS setup to try it on and make an informed decision?

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Snark aside, I have no doubt that you would swear up and down that the unfiltered mono would sound better to you coming out of your TV's speakers rather than an even handed and subtle lossless ATMOS surround track on a carefully calibrated system.

I'm sure you would find it to be more cinematic.

It would literally BE more cinematic if your definition of that is how it sounded IN cinemas. If, on the other hand, you define cinematic as “what uses the most speakers?”, I suspect you’d prefer the latest and greatest whiz-bang remix-of-the-month every time - regardless of how faithful or insulting it is to the original experience. YMMV.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Snark aside, I have no doubt that you would swear up and down that the unfiltered mono would sound better to you coming out of your TV's speakers rather than an even handed and subtle lossless ATMOS surround track on a carefully calibrated system.

I'm sure you would find it to be more cinematic.

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Do you have an ATMOS setup to try it on and make an informed decision?

[mar3o]

Of course we weren't seeing it with 4k resolution and HDR in theatres either. So are we looking for an accurate presentation as it was seen in 1978 theatres (I doubt it), or are we looking for the best possible presentation of the film using today's technology, while still trying to remain faithful to the intentions of the filmmakers in 1978?

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Do you have an ATMOS setup to try it on and make an informed decision?

The only Atmos tracks I approve of are Fast 8 and Ghost in The Shell 2017 in IMAX Atmos. I have a 5.1 that looks similar to your setup but with no side 7.1 pair.

I've compared all these films to it in 2017 by going to Ghost in The Shell IMAX 3D, and Fast 8, and I also watched Guardians of The Galaxy 2 in IMAX 3D+Atmos. I own all these 4K's too.

These films and the 5.1 elicits ALL the same effects on LESS SPEAKERS

Just the SAME for a MONO TRACK for Halloween/ TGTBTU/ A.C.O. you name it.

Mono Uncompressed > Atmos slapped onto any movie before 1991
&
5.1 recreates all the sound effects in less speakers than in Atmos.

All these guys do is take sounds and put them in more speakers. It's dumb after a point and superfluous, and for me personally 5.1 has been that point.

I mean yeah when Major jumped through that window in IMAX 3D with Atmos and it slow mo's and rained glass shards for 5 full seconds it was badass but a cause for me to dump 2,000 dollars on a new reciever and another 1,000 on more POLK AUDIO speakers rewire my stuff drill into ceiling joists? Nah sorry pal. Someday when it's even more advanced I think. But there will never be a time when I would watch the old films I mentioned earlier in anything but MONO preferably uncompressed.

Oh yeah Loomis Facepalm Halloween 2 [insert image]

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

It would literally BE more cinematic if your definition of that is how it sounded IN cinemas. If, on the other hand, you define cinematic as “what uses the most speakers?”, I suspect you’d prefer the latest and greatest whiz-bang remix-of-the-month every time - regardless of how faithful or insulting it is to the original experience. YMMV.

Nobody defines cinematic in your latter terms.. least of all me... but if you're going to go so far as to characterize what I have actually said as an insult, then I don't think you're really interested in having a reasonable discussion.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Of course we weren't seeing it with 4k resolution and HDR in theatres either. So are we looking for an accurate presentation as it was seen in 1978 theatres (I doubt it), or are we looking for the best possible presentation of the film using today's technology, while still trying to remain faithful to the intentions of the filmmakers in 1978?

I’d say a more apt analogy would be watching a film originally shot in black and white and in 2D in color and in 3D. We have color televisions now, and 3D televisions. Why be stuck in the past, right (irony of course being that 3D sets are pretty much gone now unless you’ve still got one from five years ago, but I think the point holds)? Seeing what was shot in the best possible clarity was obviously always intended, if not possible. An object-based Atmos sound mix was neither intended nor conceived at the time. That said, and I’ve said this before, if the Atmos is somehow super faithful to the original, I’ll happily enjoy listening to the film with it as an alternative.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Nobody defines cinematic in your latter terms.. least of all me... but if you're going to go so far as to characterize what I have actually said as an insult, then I don't think you're really interested in having a reasonable discussion.

Oh, you’d be surprised. Stick around these forums a while longer. PLENTY around here define cinematic in precisely those terms. If you don’t and I misunderstood your meaning, I sincerely apologize for the reply (though for the record, I was using “you” as a collective term, not a directed, accusatory one). See? Plenty reasonable.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

The only Atmos tracks I approve of are Fast 8 and Ghost in The Shell 2017 in IMAX Atmos. I have a 5.1 that looks similar to your setup but with no side 7.1 pair.

I've compared all these films to it in 2017 by going to Ghost in The Shell IMAX 3D, and Fast 8, and I also watched Guardians of The Galaxy 2 in IMAX 3D+Atmos. I own all these 4K's too.

These films and the 5.1 elicits ALL the same effects on LESS SPEAKERS

Just the SAME for a MONO TRACK for Halloween/ TGTBTU/ A.C.O. you name it.

Mono Uncompressed > Atmos slapped onto any movie before 1991
&
5.1 recreates all the sound effects in less speakers than in Atmos.

All these guys do is take sounds and put them in more speakers. It's dumb after a point and superfluous, and for me personally 5.1 has been that point.

I mean yeah when Major jumped through that window in IMAX 3D with Atmos and it slow mo's and rained glass shards for 5 full seconds it was badass but a cause for me to dump 2,000 dollars on a new reciever and another 1,000 on more POLK AUDIO speakers? Nah sorry pal.

So the correct answer to my question is no....
The answer you gave, reveals a profound lack of understanding of what ATMOS is.

I get it, I felt the same way about object based audio when I was trying to convince myself against making the additional financial investment. Luckily for me my trusty 7.1 amp finally gave up the ghost and forced my hand.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

The only Atmos tracks I approve of are Fast 8 and Ghost in The Shell 2017 in IMAX Atmos. I have a 5.1 that looks similar to your setup but with no side 7.1 pair.

I've compared all these films to it in 2017 by going to Ghost in The Shell IMAX 3D, and Fast 8, and I also watched Guardians of The Galaxy 2 in IMAX 3D+Atmos. I own all these 4K's too.

These films and the 5.1 elicits ALL the same effects on LESS SPEAKERS

Just the SAME for a MONO TRACK for Halloween/ TGTBTU/ A.C.O. you name it.

Mono Uncompressed > Atmos slapped onto any movie before 1991
&
5.1 recreates all the sound effects in less speakers than in Atmos.

All these guys do is take sounds and put them in more speakers. It's dumb after a point and superfluous, and for me personally 5.1 has been that point.

I mean yeah when Major jumped through that window in IMAX 3D with Atmos and it slow mo's and rained glass shards for 5 full seconds it was badass but a cause for me to dump 2,000 dollars on a new reciever and another 1,000 on more POLK AUDIO speakers rewire my stuff drill into ceiling joists? Nah sorry pal. Someday when it's even more advanced I think. But there will never be a time when I would watch the old films I mentioned earlier in anything but MONO preferably uncompressed.

Oh yeah Loomis Facepalm Halloween 2 [insert image]

Is this the transcript from an I Think You Should Leave episode

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by gates70

My god this new trend is stupid.

The last page is worse.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

I’d say a more apt analogy would be watching a film originally shot in black and white and in 2D in color and in 3D. We have color televisions now, and 3D televisions. Why be stuck in the past, right (irony of course being that 3D sets are pretty much gone now unless you’ve still got one from five years ago, but I think the point holds)? Seeing what was shot in the best possible clarity was obviously always intended, if not possible. An object-based Atmos sound mix was neither intended nor conceived at the time. That said, and I’ve said this before, if the Atmos is somehow super faithful to the original, I’ll happily enjoy listening to the film with it as an alternative.

Neither HDR nor Atmos/DTS:X were available back then, so we don't know what they would have used if that technology had been available to them. We can assume they would have used current modern technologies, money permitting. 3D is different because since the 50's it's been a creative decision whether to film in 3D or not. Most modern films on the other hand employ surround sound and are shot in 4k, and most 4k remasters are now using HDR. Whether something like Atmos benefits older films like this is a worthy discussion. OTOH don't think there's any debate that 4k/HDR benefits these older films, when done right. And that's the key phrase with any of this - when done right. As we are discussing with the current mono track we'll likely be getting again here, even the original mono track can be ruined if not done right. I think an Atmos mix done right would be better than the "original" mono done wrong, as a muffled or filter mono track is not how it was intended to sound. Just because it contains the original sound effects and music cues doesn't mean it sounds like it's supposed to, as the comparisons have proved with these mono tracks.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

So the correct answer to my question is no....
The answer you gave, reveals a profound lack of understanding of what ATMOS is.

I get it, I felt the same way about object based audio when I was trying to convince myself against making the additional financial investment. Luckily for me my trusty 7.1 amp finally gave up the ghost and forced my hand.

It's worth buying into Atmos from my perspective if you LOVE NEW iGEN& BIG BUDGET BLOCKBUSTER SEQUEL TYPE FILMS ONLY IMHO. I'm not that guy.

But I am of the Opinion that this iGen Decade+ or whatever it gets called as time passes in films has been the worst since the silent era LOL maybe not (I'm over exaggerating) but almost everything is getting to be passable in my eyes and that's how I currently look at Atmos. Fantastic Idea but in reality and what has been shown that IT DOESNT work or TRANSLATE in OLD FILMS is HIGHLY discouraging.

Show me where Atmos has made any old film better, and I'll show you even more it has RUINED. And that's why I refuse to buy into it even if forced by hand I would opt for a 5.2 with higher capable wattage Receiver output and spend a lot more on my 5 main speakers.

I would take my budget and spend 3X as much on 5 kickass speakers and a sub or 2. Watch the Classics with proper Audio+Video transfers.

Rather Than build some Atmos setup for TicToc/iGen/Disney+ Atmos movies. Halloween is perfect with Mono since the day it was released. Marketing is sometimes brainwashing go watch They Live I don't know what else to tell you.