Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[jstxanothrxstory]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

I honestly don't know; I guess so we'd consider it "complete"? In any case, I did them one better: I put the three SF discs in a 4-disc case and also threw in the Boxed Set version of the 35th Anniversary transfer with original mono. While I don't intend ever to watch it again, at least I've got 'em all under one roof!

But then you’ve to commit fully and swap it out for a 6-disc case to include the THX DVD for that colour presentation and the previous Lionsgate 4K to get all of the post-VHS presentations in one go around.

[OgamiittoMcJ]

Halloween est 26th Oct for me
and PT.II is est Nov 4th
from Amazon US

cost £30 each including shipping custom VAT charges etc
so not too bad

SF BD's are quite expensive compared to some
so I thought their price would be a bit higher for UHD

what's people's thoughts on the price ?

[drownsoda]

Welp, I caved—I have the deluxe Blu-ray set that Shout release some years back, and was on the fence when these were announced, and remained on the fence until a few hours ago (I had only really been interested in Part 5 due to the inclusion of the alternate opening/cut footage. After reading some of the reviews though, I decided I at least wanted the original, Part II, and Part 5. I'll get the others later I've so compelled. My local Best Buy had Halloween and Halloween II in stock to my surprise (with only a couple left of each), so I went and grabbed them tonight. I was surprised by how sturdy the slip boxes were these. I have Part 5 ordered from Amazon (which is the one I'm most interested in getting), but it's not estimated to arrive for at least a week and a half.

[thechewdefense]

There also was a 1997 version that is non anamorphic and plagued with print marks and artifacts.

speaking of print marks and what not, what version is on Shudder and airs on AMC? as thats anamorphic but plagued with print marks and scratches and overall a dirty look

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Drastically

Glad others have been noticing that as well. They've dropped off in other areas in my opinion as well

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Disappointing…

The digital 4K has Dolby Vision. That's as close as you're going to get for EH.

[Nosferatu31]

Originally Posted by bokes

Anyone know if Diabolik shipped?
It appears they are out of town until 10/5.

My order of 1-5 shipped today.

[Jedihunter]

So im going to through the film right now. No HDR on by the way. But after seeing the capsaholic shot of Marion Chambers running out of the car in the beginning I went back while mid watch and WOW!!! It looks ugly going frame by frame as all the red that appears on her looks like macroblocking city. Even early on it seems like there were some issues with compression on the opening title sequence. As there was some weird artifacting from the glow. Really disappointed to see such issues on a 4k disc that not only has a healthy bitrate but one that isn't just crammed onto a bd-66.

Also why the F#%# would they include the 2007 version yet again? It made sense for the 15 disc set as they had to utilise pre-existing discs for some films or in the case of Halloween so that they could have certain extras. But not only was it completely unnecessary. It defeats the purpose of including the extended cut. As that version of the film is ridiculously compressed. Upon skimming that version was mostly at dvd level mbps and the highest it would reach was the low teens. Which caused very noticeable artifacting and compression issues to appear and made it unwatchable for me. The t.v. edit and even more so the extended cut should've taken precedence bitrate wise not the awful 2007 color timed version.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

So im going to through the film right now. No HDR on by the way. But after seeing the capsaholic shot of Marion Chambers running out of the car in the beginning I went back while mid watch and WOW!!! It looks ugly going frame by frame as all the red that appears on her looks like macroblocking city. Even early on it seems like there were some issues with compression on the opening title sequence. As there was some weird artifacting from the glow. Really disappointed to see such issues on a 4k disc that not only has a healthy bitrate but one that isn't just crammed onto a bd-66.

Who cares? You’re missing the forest for the trees.

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Who cares? You’re missing the forest for the trees.

Because it's a brand new 4k transfer of a film that was already released. And for being on a BD-100 macroblocking and other compression issues shouldn't be so apparent let alone present.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Because it's a brand new 4l transfer of a film that was already released. And for being on a BD-100 macroblocking and other compression issues shouldn't be so apparent let alone present.

It’s Shout! They couldn’t do proper compression if their lives depended on it. This should be a given by now. A Universal Constant like the speed of light in vacuum. But they got a lot right here. A lot. More right than any other home video release, by a mile.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by mar3o

[Show spoiler]Sure he can say or feel whatever he wants. But I have to say I lost a bit of respect for him over the whole thing. I still think he's made some amazing films and he deserves a ton of credit as a filmmaker. Just because you were pressed into writing a sequel doesn't mean going on a drinking binge to write it and then trying to undo it decades later and blame it on the alcohol is a professional way to handle it.

Plus it's not nearly as bad as some claim. Everyone can have a different opinion of course, but the sequel has other issues, as much as I love it. The sibling angel is the least of the issues. I thought it was an interesting turn. Why is the hospital only staffed by half a dozen people? Why can't they just go over to another wing to get help? Is the hospital literally empty? What happened to the power (yes, it's explained in a deleted scene, but that didn't help audiences back then).

People act like The Shape is some mystery that has no explanation, but we saw who he was at the beginning of the film, and he obviously grew up in a home like everyone else does. Then something happened along the way.

I would argue that that’s part of the mystery. If we had no knowledge of Michael at all, we could assume he had a horrible and traumatic childhood, or that he was born insane. The fact that he came from a seemingly normal family and was a seemingly normal child contributes to the mystery and lack of explanation for his behavior.

[drownsoda]

Originally Posted by OgamiittoMcJ

Halloween est 26th Oct for me
and PT.II is est Nov 4th
from Amazon US

cost £30 each including shipping custom VAT charges etc
so not too bad

SF BD's are quite expensive compared to some
so I thought their price would be a bit higher for UHD

what's people's thoughts on the price ?

I got my copies of Halloween and Halloween II from a Best Buy store here for around $27.00 a piece (which I think would convert to roughly £20?)—considering that many Scream Factory Blu-rays (especially collector's editions) can run at that price (or even more at retail) here in the States, I think these are pretty affordable, especially since you are getting multiple discs with plenty of content.

[Nailwraps]

https://blah-ray.blogspot.com/2021/1...ween-1978.html

"2021 Shout Factory UHD: A lossy transcode of the DVD mastering. Funny that the previous Shout blu-ray actually was lossless! Anyway, this sounds bad because it's the same horrible manipulated DVD-era track, not because it's 'fake' lossless."


Granted this might be someone's opinion, but what do you think we should do here? Ask Shout! to do a replacement program (for all the discs?)?

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

https://blah-ray.blogspot.com/2021/1...ween-1978.html

"2021 Shout Factory UHD: A lossy transcode of the DVD mastering. Funny that the previous Shout blu-ray actually was lossless! Anyway, this sounds bad because it's the same horrible manipulated DVD-era track, not because it's 'fake' lossless."


Granted this might be someone's opinion, but what do you think we should do here? Ask Shout! to do a replacement program (for all the discs?)?

Them and many others have been doing it forever. All you gotta do is take the lossy track, click and drag it into a DTS-MA timeline and bang! It’s now DTS-MA! That’s why them old laserdiscs sound so good

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

It’s Shout! They couldn’t do proper compression if their lives depended on it. This should be a given by now. A Universal Constant like the speed of light in vacuum. But they got a lot right here. A lot. More right than any other home video release, by a mile.

Not saying they don't get stuff right here. My issue is they introduce issues that shouldn't be an issue considering they used the OCN and have much more space dedicated to the film. Not to mention most other stuff on the set outside if the transfer is nothing but ports of previously released extras with not much new. And like I mentioned earlier one thing I was excited for myself and others was the fact they included the extended cut again. But it's fairly unwatchable with how compressed it is.

I mean other issues I noticed was how smeared and little detail there was when Laurie first gets cut by Michael. It should be much better looking there than it is and not look so smoothed over.

Also just because they are known to have issues with compression or encodes doesn't mean it's something that should be accepted. Especially if us fans/collectors want things to improve

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by jstxanothrxstory

But then you’ve to commit fully and swap it out for a 6-disc case to include the THX DVD for that colour presentation and the previous Lionsgate 4K to get all of the post-VHS presentations in one go around.

I know you're kidding, but I have no desire to archive those, 'cuz:

1. THX disc is something that in no way resembles the photo-chemical color presentation, by definition (due to the use of digital tools to color only parts of the frame, like fall leaves)

2. The Lionsgate 4K, while I do own it, is something I've never watched; only bought it 'cuz it was the only 4K option for awhile, as a kind of future-proofing; would never watch Halloween without original mono (filtered or unfiltered) unless I absolutely had to.

[SpacemanDoug]

from what another user said a few pages ago, it doesn't matter if it's a lossy transcode or if the old one was lossless, they sound pretty much EXACTLY the same, nothing worse or better

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Not saying they don't get stuff right here. My issue is they introduce issues that shouldn't be an issue considering they used the OCN and have much more space dedicated to the film. Not to mention most other stuff on the set outside if the transfer is nothing but ports of previously released extras with not much new. And like I mentioned earlier one thing I was excited for myself and others was the fact they included the extended cut again. But it's fairly unwatchable with how compressed it is.

I mean other issues I noticed was how smeared and little detail there was when Laurie first gets cut by Michael. It should be much better looking there than it is and not look so smoothed over.

Also just because they are known to have issues with compression or encodes doesn't mean it's something that should be accepted. Especially if us fans/collectors want things to improve

Shout! compression cannot be improved, ever, because their compressionist is intentionally botching every job. That’s the only intelligent explanation. He’s been doing this for many years and for hundreds of releases. If it’s just a matter of him learning, it would have happened a long time ago. A monkey could have learned this job by now. So what we have here is intentional sabotage.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Not saying they don't get stuff right here. My issue is they introduce issues that shouldn't be an issue considering they used the OCN and have much more space dedicated to the film. Not to mention most other stuff on the set outside if the transfer is nothing but ports of previously released extras with not much new. And like I mentioned earlier one thing I was excited for myself and others was the fact they included the extended cut again. But it's fairly unwatchable with how compressed it is.

I mean other issues I noticed was how smeared and little detail there was when Laurie first gets cut by Michael. It should be much better looking there than it is and not look so smoothed over.

Also just because they are known to have issues with compression or encodes doesn't mean it's something that should be accepted. Especially if us fans/collectors want things to improve

What I don’t get is that the compression on their UHDs of Beer Hunter, Prince of Darkness and They Live was fine, just fine. But then the latter two were ported across with the incorrect colour space, I guess Shout figured that if they got the colour right on the Halloweens they’d have to botch the compression to make up for it.

Seriously though, it’s staggering how something can have an average rate of nearly 80 Mb/s like H2 (with momentary peaks as high as 140 mb/s) and yet still render the grain so poorly.