Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[BluCollector13]

Originally Posted by dylrichard02

On the stocking snafu front, Shout! underestimated it so bad that even their new DVD is unavailable until November.

Yeesh.

I ordered my copy back in August with "Elvira's Haunted Hills" and have heard nothing from Shout! Should have just gotten it at Best Buy when I saw it there last week, now it's completely sold out around L.A.

[sancho]

Originally Posted by BluCollector13

Yeesh.

I ordered my copy back in August with "Elvira's Haunted Hills" and have heard nothing from Shout! Should have just gotten it at Best Buy when I saw it there last week, now it's completely sold out around L.A.

Both this + Halloween II are sold out in L.A.

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Lionsgate desaturated noisy sharpened nearly black and white transfer is a piece of garbage compared to this and is one of the worst UHD’s.

Sorry the lionsgate transfer has color to it. And is not garbage at all.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Jedihunter

Sorry the lionsgate transfer has color to it. And is not garbage at all.

In my opinion, of course.

[Jedihunter]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

to sum up what people are saying:

pros:
correct color timing, finer grain structure, theatrical mono track, extended and TV cuts, all the other special features

cons:
inconsistent encode (to the point of a few shots from the Lionsgate transfer looking slightly better, but this is very few and far between), filtered theatrical mono audio track

As for my opinion regarding the theatrical mono audio itself, it could sound a lot better yes, that's a given, but it's not absolutely horrible to me and is serviceable all things considered, and still far better sounding than the remixes

so while yes it is flawed, it's far better than any other edition that came prior and likely the best we're gonna get in a long time, the pros clearly outweigh the cons in this one

Extended cut is a plus. But it's so compressed and filled with visual signs of that because they put three versions of the film onto one disc. When we didn't need the 2007 bluray transfer again...

[teddyballgame]

So this one actually scratches the itch for me. I never picked up the lionsgate because it was so drained of color and lifeless

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by mad_max2000

It's there, I've watched it myself this weekend. It simply isn't listed on the box as a few other features aren't either (HHG episodes, trailers from hell segment). Scream simply make the covers up before finalizing the list of extras.

How does the mono on the TV cut compare to the mono on the theatrical version? Is it unfiltered?

[The80s]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

I agree. Shout knows exactly what they are doing. They don’t care. If they did care they would be releasing demo grade discs. They aren’t. They are however licensing titles and giving us what we beg for, even though they won’t be optimal.

I wish I could just say, I will no longer support their shoddy practices. But I can’t because what other option is there. We just settle for what we can get.

Why do they do that instead of genuinely shooting for demo grade each time?

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

As for my opinion regarding the theatrical mono audio itself, it could sound a lot better yes, that's a given, but it's not absolutely horrible to me and is serviceable all things considered, and still far better sounding than the remixes

What audio is it set to play for default? Will we have to go in and change it each time to get the proper mono track or is it already set to that for its default?

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by The80s

What audio is it set to play for default? Will we have to go in and change it each time to get the proper mono track or is it already set to that for its default?

It defaults to the mono track.

[K9 Mark V]

Amazon is saying my copy of H1 is arriving on the 13th
I finally got a date for H2 but it was the 31st or after so I just decided to cancel and probably pick it up when it’s on sale or next year. Anyone know why H2 seems to be the one people have to wait for the most? Even some review sites, this site included, seem to skip H2 until they finally receive it.

[thebarnman]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

A few shots I prefer the Lionsgate... at least it looks that the Scream has less grain on these two shots in particular... could be contrast or over sharpening?

The house itself lacks detail found on the Lionsgate

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...79015&i=12&l=1

and this shot, I don't know

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...179006&i=2&l=1

Thoughts?

I think what you might be seeing is the Lionsgate source is from a IP (interpositive which is a copy of the negiatve) and the other one is from the original camera negative which is less noisy.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

In my opinion, of course.

Fictional characters.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I can’t imagine why. There isn’t a single redeeming quality about it.

Thought you would like it then

[thebarnman]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Scream has a BLUE TINT, and the FILM looks wiped out drunk to me. Look at the SKYLINE, the WHITE paint on the road is BLUE, the street sign is WHITE on Lionsgate and BLUE on the Scream, The Metal Guard rails look Silver/Gray on the Lionsgate, and Blue on the Scream. I used my eyeballs LOL! The ROAD is BLUE it's quite obvious what happened here. Revisionist use of HDR crayons. No version is perfect but these colors don't work for me.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...6&l=1&i=2&go=1

Some kind of midnight blue filter seems applied imho.

The Shout version looks more natural like what film does while photographing during daytime sunlight with lots of blue sky. Naturally whites will look slightly blue due to the higher color temperature being produced by the sun and how it's filtered/altered from the sky.

Film balanced for daylight will look slightly blue when the light has a color temperature higher than what the film is balanced for. Daylight film will produce warmer looking colors when photographing while the sun is going down because the color temperature of the light is cooler (lower in color temperature) (I know this sounds confusing but lower color temperatures creates warmer looking colors IF the film used is balanced for daylight (or about 6500K.)

The Lionsgate version simply looks like someone went in and purposely balanced the white to look white which is not how things look in real life and all the other colors look a little odd. If you're used to looking at differences in color while the sun is at different angles in the sky, you will notice how white looks different through the day, but our brain corrects for the differences in color temperatures so white always looks white. Film cannot on it's own make white look like white unless the color temperature of the light (the sun in this case) exactly matches the color temperature of the film being used which can happen but only during certain times of the day.

Tungsten film will make white look white as long as tungsten light is being used. Tungsten film by the way is balanced for a white point of about 3200K.

[thebarnman]

Originally Posted by DaylightsEnd

The bad news is, based on that screen cap, the one on the left is clearly stretched with an incorrect aspect ratio. I knew a proper comparison would blow the Shout H1978 4k uhd out of the water!!!

The one on the left has the correct (very slightly wider) aspect ration of 2.39:1 the way it was originally captured.

[thebarnman]

Originally Posted by halloween5309

yes i very young 6 maybe, and it scared me to death

The girl who was with me that night clawed the top of my hand almost throughout the whole movie. It hurt like hell and it took almost two weeks for those finger nail punctures marks to go away.

I didn't complain because it was my first date.

[JCRW82]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

https://blah-ray.blogspot.com/2021/1...ween-1978.html

"2021 Shout Factory UHD: A lossy transcode of the DVD mastering. Funny that the previous Shout blu-ray actually was lossless! Anyway, this sounds bad because it's the same horrible manipulated DVD-era track, not because it's 'fake' lossless."


Granted this might be someone's opinion, but what do you think we should do here? Ask Shout! to do a replacement program (for all the discs?)?

Go to Shout Factory and raise a complaint: https://www.shoutfactory.com/corp/contact-us

I personally would not demand for SF to do a replacement program, that would be met with eye rolls and a quick discard of the email. Instead I would send them polite feedback on the product and express disappointment that they did not use the best possible audio source for this release and hope that it can be resolved in a future release. Unfortunately the ship has sailed to obtain a better audio source and I am highly doubtful that a replacement program would be setup for all of the issues people are pushing in this thread (compression/encoding, filtered mono, etc). But you also cannot expect SF to improve their releases if no one addresses them directly. Contact their Customer Service department and lets see what they will do, they will at least give you a reply.

[KubrickKurasawa]

I'd rather have noticeable GRAIN over noticeable COMPRESSION. 70's films look great with it. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Jaws, Barry Lyndon, The Deer Hunter, Halloween 78' etc. Hands down some of the best films EVER made to this day, and best MONO audio/soundtracks! Hit me with that GRAIN and MONO baby etc. That's part of their gorgeous PUNCH and charm.

This is the 4K FORMAT. I was expecting a little more quality control for this iconic film. We will bite on the newly released Halloween II Scream 4K and stick with The Lionsgate 4K for now.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

I'd rather have noticeable GRAIN over noticeable COMPRESSION.

The compression issues are, IMHO, quite minimal if you are set up for DV. Now maybe that much could be up for debate depending on who you ask around here (I've watched the disc twice now and think it's great, FWIW), but what's not up for debate is that the new transfer HAS noticeable grain. It just isn't as course as the Lionsgate, which is understandable as the new scan is from the OCN. This isn't the first time someone has chimed in with a hyperbolic "this has been scrubbed clean!!", and I'm sorry, but that IS - NOT - TRUE. The grain is healthy and clearly visible, it's just FINE grain due to the source. It's really a shame that people are getting the impression that the old UHD is somehow "better". You may personally prefer it for one reason or another, but it frankly is not empirically better. It's just simply not the case.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

I'd rather have noticeable GRAIN over noticeable COMPRESSION. 70's films look great with it. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Jaws, Barry Lyndon, The Deer Hunter, Halloween 78' etc. Hands down some of the best films EVER made to this day, and best MONO audio/soundtracks! Hit me with that GRAIN and MONO baby etc. That's part of their gorgeous PUNCH and charm.

This is the 4K FORMAT. I was expecting a little more quality control for this iconic film. We will bite on the newly released Halloween II Scream 4K and stick with The Lionsgate 4K for now.

I agree. Grain is a natural quality of film. Digital macroblocks are not and never have and never will be. This will never look like film of any generation.