Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by The80s

Has this been posted yet? It's not official but it's still badass. If the real one is anywhere close to this it'll be sweet.

[Show spoiler]

If only Myers looked that good in the movie. Apparently the Weinsteins wanted to continue using the H6 mask that was used in the opening scene for H20 but Steve Miner didn’t like it. He must’ve been smoking crack. The H6 mask is miles better than any of the others in H20.

[The80s]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

If only Myers looked that good in the movie. Apparently the Weinsteins wanted to continue using the H6 mask that was used in the opening scene for H20 but Steve Miner didn’t like it. He must’ve been smoking crack. The H6 mask is miles better than any of the others in H20.

I get the feeling that Steve Miner didn't give a crap about the franchise. He wanted that alien looking pure white mask, even though it looked ridiculous (and then he didn't care about the multiple obvious different masks throughout). He was the one who suggested they ignore H4-H6 (even though Williamson had scenes ready to acknowledge them) and he was the one who didn't think the burn scars mattered, even though H20 was supposed to be a direct sequel to HII and they even acknowledge him burning. It's unreal the lack of care with this movie. The lack of care plus being as tame, soft, and safe as could possibly be makes it almost boring. At least on repeat viewings. And especially coming after H4-H6, which if nothing else, certainly weren't boring. That's for sure.

I don't hate H20, but man, it could have been SO much better.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by The80s

I get the feeling that Steve Miner didn't give a crap about the franchise. He wanted that alien looking pure white mask, even though it looked ridiculous (and then he didn't care about the multiple obvious different masks throughout). He was the one who suggested they ignore H4-H6 (even though Williamson had scenes ready to acknowledge them) and he was the one who didn't think the burn scars mattered, even though H20 was supposed to be a direct sequel to HII and they even acknowledge him burning. It's unreal the lack of care with this movie. The lack of care plus being as tame, soft, and safe as could possibly be makes it almost boring. At least on repeat viewings. And especially coming after H4-H6, which if nothing else, certainly weren't boring. That's for sure.

I don't hate H20, but man, it could have been SO much better.

I agree, except I find H5 pretty boring.

[Jay Mammoth]

Steve Miner sucks for approving those masks, but also a genius if it was his call to ignore the garbage thorn crap.

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by The80s

All but confirmed. I’m certain the rest will follow. Very likely this year.

I just hope that both cuts of H6 get the 4K treatment. I’m gonna be mighty bummed if only one of them gets it.

I do hope both cuts get the 4K treatment, but I'm putting my money on 4K of Theatrical and Blu-ray of Producer's Cut. I definitely want to be wrong on that.

I have a huge soft spot for Halloween 6, it is not original in any way shape or form, but I do feel it's more in line of H1/2, just not executed well. The movie as a whole is such an oddity because of how much they changed with Pleasance's death, etc.

[The80s]

Originally Posted by RevolverOcelScott

I do hope both cuts get the 4K treatment, but I'm putting my money on 4K of Theatrical and Blu-ray of Producer's Cut. I definitely want to be wrong on that.

I have a huge soft spot for Halloween 6, it is not original in any way shape or form, but I do feel it's more in line of H1/2, just not executed well. The movie as a whole is such an oddity because of how much they changed with Pleasance's death, etc.

I actually have a feeling that if only one cut gets the 4K treatment it's going to be the P-Cut. It has a more cinematic and vibrant picture. It already looks quite stunning in HD so I can only imagine how impeccable it would look in UHD. The T-Cut doesn't seem to have the same cimematic vibrancy, at least the reshot scenes, so although 4K would surely be an improvement, it wouldn't quite pop like the P-Cut. So I feel like that's the way they'll go.

That being said, I greatly prefer the T-Cut to watch. It's just a more badass, more exciting, and scarier cut.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by The80s

I actually have a feeling that if only one cut gets the 4K treatment it's going to be the P-Cut. It has a more cinematic and vibrant picture. It already looks quite stunning in HD so I can only imagine how impeccable it would look in UHD. The T-Cut doesn't seem to have the same cimematic vibrancy, at least the reshot scenes, so although 4K would surely be an improvement, it wouldn't quite pop like the P-Cut. So I feel like that's the way they'll go.

That being said, I greatly prefer the T-Cut to watch. It's just a more badass, more exciting, and scarier cut.

And the theatrical cut doesn’t have the ridiculous implied rape from Myers, magic rocks temporarily stopping Myers, the Thorn tattoo magically appearing on Loomis’s wrist, Myers wearing the Man in Black outfit, or the scene where Wynn spells out that Myers was just an innocent child that the cult inflicted with the curse. Basically, the theatrical cut got rid of most of the ridiculous cult explanation and the overtly supernatural aspects of the movie and focused on Myers being an unexplainable force of evil. Sure, they trimmed a lot of Loomis’s scenes and the story barely makes sense with the implied genetic experiments, but I’ll take that over what the producer’s cut delivered. I also prefer the barn scene in the theatrical cut where Jamie sees Myers and he seems to disappear during a flash of lightning. That’s the type of spooky Halloween atmosphere I like.

[The80s]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

And the theatrical cut doesn’t have the ridiculous implied rape from Myers, magic rocks temporarily stopping Myers, the Thorn tattoo magically appearing on Loomis’s wrist, Myers wearing the Man in Black outfit, or the scene where Wynn spells out that Myers was just an innocent child that the cult inflicted with the curse. Basically, the theatrical cut got rid of most of the ridiculous cult explanation and the overtly supernatural aspects of the movie and focused on Myers being an unexplainable force of evil. Sure, they trimmed a lot of Loomis’s scenes and the story barely makes sense with the implied genetic experiments, but I’ll take that over what the producer’s cut delivered. I also prefer the barn scene in the theatrical cut where Jamie sees Myers and he seems to disappear during a flash of lightning. That’s the type of spooky Halloween atmosphere I like.

Yes absolutely. And Jamie’s death in the T-Cut is my favorite kill of the entire franchise. It’s just so unbelievably brutal, nothing else comes close.

I don’t mind the cult stuff in general. I’m actually a big fan of it, but that’s not to say the P-Cut didn’t botch the hell out of it. It absolutely did. However, if you’re able to find a copy of one of the earlier scripts online, it is 1000x better than what the P-Cut ended up being. If they had kept the same look and atmosphere as we got, but used that script, it would easily be the best film in the entire franchise. It was that good. The P-Cut was like the absolute cheapest most to-the-point version of the script. They cut out a ton of good stuff and added a bunch of ridiculous stuff (Michael being the father).

For as psychedelic as the T-Cut is, it’s actually quite an improvement over the P-Cut. The magic rock ending was so anticlimactic…. Ugh. I’m glad they redid it. The T-Cut doesn’t make a whole lot of sense but it sure is scary and exciting. And badass.

[Matt89]

Jamie's death in Curse of Michael Myers is definitely brutal, but there are certainly other kills in the series that come close in terms of brutality. Some of the deaths in the last two immediately come to mind, and I can think of two deaths in particular from Halloween Kills that are absolutely BRUTAL.

[Show spoiler]Big John's death (his eyes getting squashed), as well as Cameron's death on the stairs.

~Matt

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Jamie's death in Curse of Michael Myers is definitely brutal, but there are certainly other kills in the series that come close in terms of brutality. Some of the deaths in the last two immediately come to mind, and I can think of two deaths in particular from Halloween Kills that are absolutely BRUTAL.

[Show spoiler]Big John's death (his eyes getting squashed), as well as Cameron's death on the stairs.

~Matt

I vote for Cameron's death. Everyone in the theater collectively went "Damn!" it felt like.

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

I vote for Cameron's death. Everyone in the theater collectively went "Damn!" it felt like.

Yeah it was definitely a "holy shit" moment for me. Those were my exact words.

~Matt

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by The80s

Yes absolutely. And Jamie’s death in the T-Cut is my favorite kill of the entire franchise. It’s just so unbelievably brutal, nothing else comes close.

It’s a good thing Danielle Harris didn’t play the role of Jamie in H6. I don’t think many people would’ve wanted to see Jamie die the way she did in the barn if Danielle Harris was playing the role.

Originally Posted by The80s

I don’t mind the cult stuff in general. I’m actually a big fan of it, but that’s not to say the P-Cut didn’t botch the hell out of it. It absolutely did. However, if you’re able to find a copy of one of the earlier scripts online, it is 1000x better than what the P-Cut ended up being. If they had kept the same look and atmosphere as we got, but used that script, it would easily be the best film in the entire franchise. It was that good. The P-Cut was like the absolute cheapest most to-the-point version of the script. They cut out a ton of good stuff and added a bunch of ridiculous stuff (Michael being the father).

For as psychedelic as the T-Cut is, it’s actually quite an improvement over the P-Cut. The magic rock ending was so anticlimactic…. Ugh. I’m glad they redid it. The T-Cut doesn’t make a whole lot of sense but it sure is scary and exciting. And badass.

I wouldn’t mind the cult aspect if they were presented as a bunch of whackos who thought Myers was infected by some ancient Celtic god or whatever, as long as their beliefs were shown to be crazy and Myers is just pure evil whose nature can’t be explained. But the p-cut doesn’t go this route. They make it very clear that their beliefs are correct and that they actually created the Shape. I’m not a fan of that because that just makes Myers an innocent victim.

I’ve read the original draft for H6 as well as a revised version and while it is more exciting than the p-cut, I’m just not a fan of how far they went with the cult stuff. I remember there’s a scene in the script where the Shape feels pain when Wynn is injured because they’re linked in some weird supernatural way. I just can’t take that kind of stuff seriously in a Halloween movie.

I also think going from H5 to a cult in H6 is pretty weird. I’ve never heard of the leader of a druidic cult dressing up like a cowboy.

I like H6 as its own thing, but it’s not a good sequel to H5, just as H5 is not a good sequel to H4. It’s kind of weird that H4-H6 is considered a trilogy when they don’t tell a coherent story and the filmmakers had such drastically different ideas from each other. Reminds me of another recent trilogy.

[The80s]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Jamie's death in Curse of Michael Myers is definitely brutal, but there are certainly other kills in the series that come close in terms of brutality. Some of the deaths in the last two immediately come to mind, and I can think of two deaths in particular from Halloween Kills that are absolutely BRUTAL.

[Show spoiler]Big John's death (his eyes getting squashed), as well as Cameron's death on the stairs.

~Matt

Originally Posted by Matt89

Yeah it was definitely a "holy shit" moment for me. Those were my exact words.

~Matt

No doubt there's been some brutal kills in the franchise, but I have to disagree on Cameron and Big John's death coming close. Those two kills were pretty tame in my eyes. Nothing about them really stood out to me. Sure, the armpit stab was gnarly, but it's just not something that hit me particularly hard. And to me, Cameron's death was a total non-event.

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

It’s a good thing Danielle Harris didn’t play the role of Jamie in H6. I don’t think many people would’ve wanted to see Jamie die the way she did in the barn if Danielle Harris was playing the role.

That would have been absolutely heartbreaking. However, it'd also be hella badass. I guarantee you my mouth would have been on the floor.

As is, it's horrifying and unbelievably cruel, but I don't have any emotional connection to her because it's not Danielle. So that aspect of it doesn't hit me in the feels like Danielle would have. But man, I would have LOVED that.

I wouldn’t mind the cult aspect if they were presented as a bunch of whackos who thought Myers was infected by some ancient Celtic god or whatever, as long as their beliefs were shown to be crazy and Myers is just pure evil whose nature can’t be explained. But the p-cut doesn’t go this route. They make it very clear that their beliefs are correct and that they actually created the Shape. I’m not a fan of that because that just makes Myers an innocent victim.

I’ve read the original draft for H6 as well as a revised version and while it is more exciting than the p-cut, I’m just not a fan of how far they went with the cult stuff. I remember there’s a scene in the script where the Shape feels pain when Wynn is injured because they’re linked in some weird supernatural way. I just can’t take that kind of stuff seriously in a Halloween movie.

I also think going from H5 to a cult in H6 is pretty weird. I’ve never heard of the leader of a druidic cult dressing up like a cowboy.

I like H6 as its own thing, but it’s not a good sequel to H5, just as H5 is not a good sequel to H4. It’s kind of weird that H4-H6 is considered a trilogy when they don’t tell a coherent story and the filmmakers had such drastically different ideas from each other. Reminds me of another recent trilogy.

The one where The Shape feels Wynn's pain is a later draft. I didn't particularly think that bit was very good either. It was kinda weird. The whole third act of that one was kinda meh. Funny enough though, I'd still probably take that ending over the P-Cut ending. And I could see that ending happening in the P-Cut, based on how everything else went.

The other draft, where Jamie comes back in the end, is the one I'm talking about. I loved the hell out of that script. It was fantastic. It's the only thing I've ever read that actally scared me and gave me nightmares.

Yeah, I agree about handling the cult. That's one thing I hated about the P-Cut....they were made to be entirely responsible for Michael and that's super lame. That's probably why I liked the T-Cut better, among other reasons....because you can't control evil. You can try, but ultimately it will come back and bite you in the ass.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by The80s

The one where The Shape feels Wynn's pain is a later draft. I didn't particularly think that bit was very good either. It was kinda weird. The whole third act of that one was kinda meh. Funny enough though, I'd still probably take that ending over the P-Cut ending. And I could see that ending happening in the P-Cut, based on how everything else went.

The other draft, where Jamie comes back in the end, is the one I'm talking about. I loved the hell out of that script. It was fantastic. It's the only thing I've ever read that actally scared me and gave me nightmares.

I’m pretty sure the draft that has the Shape feeling what Wynn feels is the first draft. It says “First Draft Aug. 23, 1994” and on pages 103-104 Wynn cuts his hand and Michael feels his pain. This draft has Jamie coming back at the end. After Myers stabs her she ignites a bomb which kills the cult members. The other draft I read came later and has Jamie getting shot in the head at the hospital like the p-cut.

One advantage of the script over the p-cut is Loomis and Michael actually have a confrontation whereas in the p-cut they never even lay eyes on each other. At least in the theatrical cut Loomis encounters Michael at the end off screen, so that’s something at least. I can’t believe the filmmakers on the p-cut didn’t want to have a single scene where Loomis and the Shape come face to face.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by mad_max2000

I don't know if I'd go that far. Obviously Scream would love to license them (and I would love to purchase them from Scream) but just because Paramount is licensing out Miramax/Dimension titles, doesn't mean it's a guarantee we'll get the Halloween films, much less in 4K.

Remember that Paramount has yet to license out a title to Shout/Scream for an actual 4K release. 4K scans are OK, but so far the Shout/Paramount releases have only been standard BD. For example, see Scream's release of Escape from LA; sourced from a 4K scan for Scream's standard BD release but the actual 4K disc is coming from Paramount. And with Halloween being a pretty big property with the new films, Paramount may want to re-release H6-8 themselves. Not that that's something people want but since when do studio executives care what we think?

Again, I'd love for this to change and that we do get full-fledged 4K releases of these films, but presently nothing is guaranteed.

Paramount doesn't have control over Miramax's licensing

[Zombie Dude]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

One advantage of the script over the p-cut is Loomis and Michael actually have a confrontation whereas in the p-cut they never even lay eyes on each other. At least in the theatrical cut Loomis encounters Michael at the end off screen, so that’s something at least. I can’t believe the filmmakers on the p-cut didn’t want to have a single scene where Loomis and the Shape come face to face.

I mean, the main reason that doesn't happen is that Pleasense passed away, not because they didn't want that.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Zombie Dude

I mean, the main reason that doesn't happen is that Pleasense passed away, not because they didn't want that.

Not true. Pleasence filmed all his scripted scenes before he passed away. The reason they did reshoots was because the film tested poorly among teenagers.

[Zombie Dude]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Not true. Pleasence filmed all his scripted scenes before he passed away. The reason they did reshoots was because the film tested poorly among teenagers.

Oh really? I thought I read he died before they finished filming.
In any case the Producer's Cut feels more complete. The ending of the theatrical is very unsatisfying.

[Matt89]

Filming wrapped by early 1995 and after the test screening they did a ton of reshoots that summer. By that time Pleasence had already passed. Production was a mess, like all 3 of the Miramax Halloweens. It seems like nobody really knew what they wanted to do with the franchise during those years. It's all over the place.

~Matt

[The80s]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I’m pretty sure the draft that has the Shape feeling what Wynn feels is the first draft. It says “First Draft Aug. 23, 1994” and on pages 103-104 Wynn cuts his hand and Michael feels his pain. This draft has Jamie coming back at the end. After Myers stabs her she ignites a bomb which kills the cult members. The other draft I read came later and has Jamie getting shot in the head at the hospital like the p-cut.

I've read a few different versions of H6, so sometimes it can get a bit confusing, but the one I remember where Wynn cuts his hand and Michael feels pain is the one where Wynn ends up stealing Danny and flying away with him and Michael is hiding in the back of the van as Tommy and Kara drive away. I don't recall Jamie coming back in that one but I could be wrong. But that's definitely not my favorite version.

The one I like and can clearly recall Jamie being in ended totally different and was way, way, WAY better. It's really a travesty they didn't make that one. That one with the look/feel of the H6 we got would have been fantastic! Especially if Pleasance got to film all of his scenes.

One advantage of the script over the p-cut is Loomis and Michael actually have a confrontation whereas in the p-cut they never even lay eyes on each other. At least in the theatrical cut Loomis encounters Michael at the end off screen, so that’s something at least. I can’t believe the filmmakers on the p-cut didn’t want to have a single scene where Loomis and the Shape come face to face.

lol, yeah. It's pretty lame. It's really a shame they didn't give us something.