Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Likewise, the scene in Revenge of the Sith where Anakin butchers a group of defenceless children was dealt with incredibly well and had long lasting repercussions (it's this act that makes Obi-Wan realise Anakin is too far gone and needs to be put down).

And that act led to this golden piece of cinema!

Trying not to Laugh - YouTube

[The Dark Shape]

Originally Posted by GC Riot

And that act led to this golden piece of cinema!
Trying not to Laugh - YouTube

This is actually one of my favorite scenes in the whole series.

"Anakin is the father, isn't he? I'm so sorry."

Flips up his hood and walks off, knowing he has to put him down.

[Geoff D]

Right? I LOVE that scene, the music is amazing too the way it builds throughout leading to that conclusion at the end. "Anakin's Dark Deeds" FTW

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

But that Scarlet Witch scene was dealt with incredibly well and had long lasting repercussions. It's her mistake that kicks off the plot and her guilt is a major part of her character after this. Likewise, the scene in Revenge of the Sith where Anakin butchers a group of defenceless children was dealt with incredibly well and had long lasting repercussions (it's this act that makes Obi-Wan realise Anakin is too far gone and needs to be put down). The Justice League scene, if I know Snyder, would have had one or two shots of Wonder Woman looking sad then the film would have carried on as usual with not a single mention of it again. Just like how the courtroom exploding in Batman v Superman is never mentioned again significantly after a shot of Superman looking sad.

Touché...lol...
Amd kudos for bringing in RoTS!!!!

[Uncanny]

Originally Posted by Merkur

But since WB green lit JL's production, didn't they approve the script? If they didn't like what they read why didn't they mandate something at that stage instead of going forward with a script and shooting it then butchering it and putting more money into it by re-shooting sections of it? WB certainly is the one who screwed up. We got something that's not satisfying to MoS & BvS fans nor to Marvel fans.

I don't know if there'll ever be a Snyder's cut made or released and it makes me sad because this movie had so much potential and there are few great sequences in it already but was butchered by senseless re-shoots and some wacky decisions by WB and Joss Whedon.

Why did WB ok the script, if they did not like it? They let Zack Snyder shot a whole movie on a script they did not like in the first place, then fired him? If WB wanted a Marvel Studio copy cat movie they should have never ok the script in the first place.

Only one delete sequence of Superman getting his suit & talking to Alfred on the home video release, after the theater trailers show so much not in the Joss Whedon version of the movie. No extended version of Joss Whedon neither. Hopefully someday, WB will release Zack Snyder version on home video on Blu-ray & 4K.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Uncanny

Why did WB ok script, if they did not like it? They let Zack Snyder shot a whole movie on a script they did not like in the first place, then fired him? If WB wanted a Marvel Studios copy cat movie they should have never ok the script in the first place.

Only one delete sequence of Superman getting his suit & talking to Alfred on the home video release, after the theater trailers show so much not in the Joss Whedon version of the movie. No extended version of Joss Whedon neither. Hopefully someday, WB will release Zack Snyder version on home video on Blu-ray & 4K.

Warners were well into production on JL when BvS was released, it's basically because of the incredibly scathing reaction to BvS that they got cold feet with Snyder.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Warners were well into production on JL when BvS was released, it's basically because of the incredibly scathing reaction to BvS that they got cold feet with Snyder.

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[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Warners were well into production on JL when BvS was released, it's basically because of the incredibly scathing reaction to BvS that they got cold feet with Snyder.

Geoff,I thought he left the project because of a family bereavement and not because he was sacked or pushed?

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Warners were well into production on JL when BvS was released, it's basically because of the incredibly scathing reaction to BvS that they got cold feet with Snyder.

Yeah, if I recall, WB was in full panic mode when BvS came out and alienated audiences, but it was too late by then. Unless they were prepared to pull a Kathleen Kennedy and fire Snyder in the middle of filming and reshoot the majority of his footage, they were basically stuck with the guy and his vision.

In retrospect, that would've been the better(albeit more expensive) move. They sorta wound up doing that in the end anyway, but they had far less time to "fix" Justice League and wound up with a bizarre hybrid of Snyder and Whedon that simply didn't work at all.

[zodwriter]

"...but thanks to a number of social media posts from Zack Snyder himself, we were able to corroborate previous reports that a relevant version of the cut exists with significant VFX work done." - SCREENRANT.COM #ReleaseTheSnyderCut

https://screenrant.com/justice-leagu...id-knightmare/

Some articles are claiming TheSnyderCut is unwatchable while others use the word impressive. Which one is it? I'm inclined to believe impressive simply by the Superman deleted scenes that have been released.

[AdubW1982]

What baddy do ya'll want to see in MOS 2? I think Brainiac would be cool.

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by AdubW1982

What baddy do ya'll want to see in MOS 2?

The suits over at WB. Now those are some evil masterminds and worthy foes!

[zodwriter]

Man of Steel 2: The Greed of Tsujihara

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

Geoff,I thought he left the project because of a family bereavement and not because he was sacked or pushed?

I don't mean when he left, I mean when Warners starting shitting themselves about JL in general. They wouldn't have given Snyder the keys to the kingdom if they didn't have faith in him or the script that they set out to make, nor would he have made a half dozen movies with Warners before embarking on JL, but when BvS came out they were scared utterly shitless by the reaction to it, meaning that JL was on a hiding to nothing from there on out whether Snyder stayed or went. Remember, Whedon was brought in to re-write before Snyder officially left the project due to his family tragedy.

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Yeah, if I recall, WB was in full panic mode when BvS came out and alienated audiences, but it was too late by then. Unless they were prepared to pull a Kathleen Kennedy and fire Snyder in the middle of filming and reshoot the majority of his footage, they were basically stuck with the guy and his vision.

In retrospect, that would've been the better(albeit more expensive) move. They sorta wound up doing that in the end anyway, but they had far less time to "fix" Justice League and wound up with a bizarre hybrid of Snyder and Whedon that simply didn't work at all.

Yep, they really should've cut it loose there and then if they were THAT scarred by the reaction to BvS, but for whatever reasons they chose to ride it out. As you rightly say they basically ended up doing that anyway, only with MUCH less time to rework it and being beholden to silly circumstances like Cavill's contractually-bound face furniture.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't mean when he left, I mean when Warners starting shitting themselves about JL in general. They wouldn't have given Snyder the keys to the kingdom if they didn't have faith in him or the script that they set out to make, nor would he have made a half dozen movies with Warners before embarking on JL, but when BvS came out they were scared utterly shitless by the reaction to it, meaning that JL was on a hiding to nothing from there on out whether Snyder stayed or went. Remember, Whedon was brought in to re-write before Snyder officially left the project due to his family tragedy.


Yep, they really should've cut it loose there and then if they were THAT scarred by the reaction to BvS, but for whatever reasons they chose to ride it out. As you rightly say they basically ended up doing that anyway, only with MUCH less time to rework it and being beholden to silly circumstances like Cavill's contractually-bound face furniture.

Apparently higher ups at Time Warner were furious Snyder wasn't removed from the project before filming even started because of the reception to Batman v Superman and are apparently even more furious at the damage to the DC brand the triple whammy of Batman v Superman, Suicide Squad and Justice League has caused.

Whatever people's thoughts on the films themselves, their reception has damaged the brand and every film in the DCEU for the next few years is going to be hurt by it. WB are going to take less risks from here on out and DC films might not perform well at the box office (with audiences waiting for reviews or perhaps just deciding to skip non-Wonder Woman DC films altogether). Heads are going to roll at WB, and it won't just be the executives (I wouldn't be surprised if Ben Affleck has been politely "encouraged" to quit as Batman).

People may be desperate to place the blame at WB, but I think there's plenty to go around. WB wanted superhero action movies to compete with Marvel. Snyder wanted introspective deconstructions that made controversial story and character decisions. These were incompatible. After two films where audiences and critics rejected Snyder's vision for these characters, and most other directors would have taken this as a sign major changes were needed, the fact he was determined to do it all again for a third time shows he might have been tone deaf to the reception of his films at the very best. I mean, the guy was assuring his critics Justice League was not going to be a dark film at one moment and then shooting a scene where a bunch of school children get blown up the next.

Likewise, if WB wanted films to compete with Marvel they should have done that from the off. Instead they handed it over to directors who probably weren't the best choice to build a family friendly blockbuster franchise and didn't have the sense to step in much earlier, which again says more about the bubble Snyder and WB were operating in, immune to what people actually thought about the films. The "standing ovation" at a private studio screening of Batman v Superman probably suggests more about executive egos than anything.

The blame for the DCEU's current state lies at the feet of both Snyder and WB. WB may have swung the axe, but it was Snyder who placed it on the chopping block.

[Geoff D]

Come on, it's not Snyder's fault if they brought him back despite knowing exactly what kind of film he'd deliver for them (and not just within the DCEU but in general, this wasn't his first rodeo for them and then some). That goes right back around to Warners not having the guts to pull the plug when they should've done. If you wanna argue that his vision is incompatible with what audiences currently expect from their superheroes then that's a different slant entirely, and I'm not gonna pillory him for wanting to imprint his take on these characters and this mythos because I enjoyed the heck out of MoS and BvS.

At least Kathy Kennedy had the cojones to get rid of Lord & Miller on the Solo movie, she could see that the improvisational direction that they were taking simply wasn't right for the brand so she took action. That Warners committed to making THREE of these DCEU films under Snyder's direction - however misguided his vision may have been - says far more about their myopia than it does his.

Why would Affleck even need "encouraging" to leave though? His stints in rehab and whatnot have been a bit messy and I just don't think he's ready to be Global Superstar Affleck again, maybe not ever.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by GC Riot

And that act led to this golden piece of cinema!
Trying not to Laugh - YouTube

Well, that was more George Lucas's writing than anything. The guy can't write dialogue for anything. But the story itself, the acting (MacGregor probably gives one of the best performances across the entire saga) and the deed's narrative resonance was incredibly well done.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Why would Affleck even need "encouraging"? His stints in rehab and whatnot have been a bit messy and I just don't think he's ready to be Global Superstar Affleck again, maybe not ever.

Well, he'd only need encouraging if he's in any way reluctant to quit. And WB, who are desperate to alter public perception of the DCEU, probably find getting rid of Affleck is a quick way to that goal.

[Geoff D]

Affleck's been making noises about leaving for a while already, as well as what happened on the solo Batman movie and all the rest of the rumours, so I'm not sure that Warners really need to do anything pro-actively on that front. Affleck's done IMO.

[imsounoriginal]

Affleck was done the moment Red Platoon went to Sony instead of WB.