Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[bobbyh64]

Even though it’s made clear in the DGG trilogy that Michael isn’t obsessing over Laurie like she thinks he is, I find it kind of odd that during their climactic battle in Ends it seems like he wants revenge. Instead of killing her right away, he toys around with her. He bashes her head in a glass cabinet, tries to injure her hand just like she did to him in 2018, and tries to stab her on the side of her face with a knitting needle just like she did to him in 1978. These could be viewed as Easter eggs, but to me it seems deliberate on Michael’s part, like he wants revenge for all the damage she and her family have done to him. Kind of muddles the message that Michael doesn’t care about her.

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by Natd3125

Rohan Campbell in Ends is the definition of ridiculous performance.

There are like ten performances in Kills that are worse than anything in Ends. Hardly a recognizable moment of human behaviour, mouthfuls of pseudo-profound "theme speak" about trauma and the nature of evil, just ghastly! In comparison, Campbell gives the best performance in the trilogy, probably because he actually has things to do, emotions to play, an arc. He's the one element in the DGG films that doesn't feel part of some ludicrous screenwriter's conceit.

[DragonOfTheBlackPool]

Originally Posted by Natd3125

Rohan Campbell in Ends is the definition of ridiculous performance. But actually. Look it up in the Filmic Encyclopedia and you’ll see his picture right there at the top of the page. They could have cast that goofy dope smoking ‘Me Ted’ alien from the Meatballs movie in his place and it would have surely made for a better performance.

It takes a special kind of film fan to enjoy these horror franchises that go 10 deep or more, and there is all kinds of trash to be found within this franchise and all of the others, ‘so bad that it is good’ - but Ends is pure clown stuff.

I had never seen him in anything prior to this film (or since if I’m being honest), but his acting was bad. I’ve seen more “at least they tried something new” than “it’s so bad it’s good” responses from people who liked Ends.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

So instead of Laurie being his sister the “place” is his sister.. it’s all the same, what it isn’t is killing at random if he did that he wouldn’t keep traveling back to the same place over and over for no apparent reason. If the hospital ward was in haddonfield then it would make more sense for him just to continue his spree because he’s already there.. but he literally drove for miles refilled his tank with gas got some snacks and came back for a “reasons” not random.. so yeah I don’t understand he is scarier when he kills at random like the trilogy did because he really never did kill at random outside of the original and the sequel showed us why he did and came back which tied into his story nicely

In the original film Michael wanted to come home, not just to his home town but his actual childhood home. That’s one of the things I love about the original film. Myers isn’t purely an evil boogeyman, he’s also a human whose actions have a psychological component to them. He never mentally matured past his six-year-old self, and it seems like he wants to relive the feelings he had back then for whatever reason. We don’t even know for sure if he was thinking about killing anyone after coming home.

Kills reinforces this idea when Lonnie theorizes Michael wants to go home and the people he’s killed are just convenient victims on his way back.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by mikey horror

Halloween ‘78, Halloween II ‘81 and Halloween 4 make a MUCH better trilogy that ‘78, ‘81 and H20 and it’s not even close. H20 is not a good Halloween movie when you really think about it. It’s not set in Haddonfield, the classic score is barely there, it has ZERO Fall atmosphere and it has what’s easily the worst portrayal of The Shape in the entire series who practically changes masks from scene to scene.

Agree with the sentiments about '78,'81 and part 4...Having a hard time squaring your criticism of H20 with your ranking of SEASON OF THE WITCH in this series (where it has NEVER belonged)

[GeoffOliver]

Originally Posted by Darth Maher

I'm up for a retconned sequel to Halloween 4.

I think that would work best as a comic book. I’d also be down for a comic book sequel to Curse.

[stvn1974]

Make a sequel to Halloween 5.


"Somehow Tina Returned"

[DragonOfTheBlackPool]

Originally Posted by themadbutcher

Why would you think killing off Laurie would "free" the franchise?

Because the 2018 movie was a retcon, nothing after the original was cannon anymore. This was well known way ahead of the movies release. This also gave them the opportunity to go in any direction they wanted and what do they come up with….Laurie is no longer related to Michael and she’s the one obsessed with him, not the other way around. Wow! Really creative retcon.

If Michael wasn’t back in town for her and just trying to go home, they could have killed her off early and focused on someone new. They could have introduced Corey in the first film and built him up over the course of the trilogy so his character actually meant something instead of throwing him into the last film with a weak bullying story, only to kill him off and go back to Laurie. DGG had something going in the first film, only to drop the ball with the second two movies.

She was killed in H:R and back in 2018, which was also a new timeline. This series is FUBAR in terms of continuity.

Resurrection was a continuation of H20, how is it a new timeline? If I misinterpreted what you said, disregard.

The only hope for a new movie (which I hope is still a long way off, as 3 new movies from Blumhouse in a short time was overkill) is to not even mention original characters aside from Michael. In fact, don't even refer to him as such or have any character say the name. But people would still be confused since he was dead in ENDS so...

This is what I was saying earlier, Ends puts any future writer(s)/director into a corner. They will have no choice but to continue from some other timeline, start a new one, or do another remake. I do agree that this franchise is all ****ed up.

The only other option is to keep the name Halloween, the Michael Myers character and mask, and come up with a completely different backstory. But after 40+ yrs, I can guarantee this option won’t go over well.

[Kubrick DeLarge1989]

I get people not liking H20 because of the weird kind of 90s scream vibe and yes, it is one of the worst portrayals of Michael Myers in the series (my god that mask!) Why would Laurie still be in Haddonfield after faking her death? I much prefer this version of Laurie who has PTSD and is an alcoholic but she's smart and runs a school in California and not just some crazy alcoholic waiting 40 years with guns for a guy who killed a few of her friends.
I'm sorry but if we were to end the franchise, H20 should have been it.

[Show spoiler]Laurie chopping his head off to the OG sound effects and then the original theme hitting while she can finally breath is very fitting for me

, but I understand not liking the brother/sister angle as well but after watching Ends it's very frustrating haha

[GeoffOliver]

H20 was a perfect ending to the franchise. Moustapha and Dimension should’ve let it die. If they wanted to do another Halloween film so bad, there were plenty of other directions they could’ve gone. Even jumping to the Zombie films would’ve been preferable.

I say if the Blumhouse trilogy is asking you to ignore all the prior sequels, you can watch H20 and pretend Resurrection doesn’t exist. There’s even a comic book that connects 4-6 to H20 that made Resurrection impossible, so there you go.

Ends tried to do too much of its own thing to be a proper finale to the franchise. The ending almost felt like an afterthought, and way less cathartic than H20’s, even if the John Carpenter reference was neat.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by GeoffOliver

H20 was a perfect ending to the franchise. Moustapha and Dimension should’ve let it die. If they wanted to do another Halloween film so bad, there were plenty of other directions they could’ve gone. Even jumping to the Zombie films would’ve been preferable.

The Weinsteins/Dimension wanted to end the franchise with H20 and then do an anthology film next. With all the various stories about them over the years and how Bob Weinstein was incredibly difficult to work with and would scream at people and take away creative freedom from directors, I wish he had gotten his way in this particular case.

[GeoffOliver]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

The Weinsteins/Dimension wanted to end the franchise with H20 and then do an anthology film next. With all the various stories about them over the years and how Bob Weinstein was incredibly difficult to work with and would scream at people and take away creative freedom from directors, I wish he had gotten his way in this particular case.

I know it was Moustapha Akkad who required by contract that Michael never be killed; according to Jamie Lee Curtis, Resurrection’s opening twist only existed to fulfill that contract. Mr. Akkad even said in multiple interviews and panels that he would never kill let Michael Myers be killed. Honestly, bless him for helping finance the first film, but I think he shares a lot of the blame in turning the franchise into a cash grab, and that ultimately cumulated in Resurrection. His other big blunder (which he admitted to) was rushing H5 into production immediately after H4 came out, without a completed script.

Still, Dimension deserves some blame for not creating a much better and more creative film around the parameters they were given. There’s no excuse for that turkey.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Kubrick DeLarge1989

I get people not liking H20 because of the weird kind of 90s scream vibe and yes, it is one of the worst portrayals of Michael Myers in the series (my god that mask!)

You mean you don’t find this intimidating?

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

You mean you don’t find this intimidating?

[Show spoiler]

That. Is. Hilarious.

Is that really from the movie? I don't think I've seen it in like fifteen years. Maximum LOL. Yeah, for all the legit complaints, H2018 at least got Michael right. (IMHO)

[CrimsonLegionVMCXIX]

How they never got the mask right after Halloween 1 until 2018 is absolutely mind boggling.

I liked 2018/Kills portrayal of Michael Myers, following Halloween 1. The next closest portrayal I liked was Curse, but the guy's mask and girth almost ruined what was otherwise a return to form, unfortunately.

[Nosferatu31]

Originally Posted by CrimsonLegionVMCXIX

How they never got the mask right after Halloween 1 until 2018 is absolutely mind boggling.

I liked 2018/Kills portrayal of Michael Myers, following Halloween 1. The next closest portrayal I liked was Curse, but the guy's mask and girth almost ruined what was otherwise a return to form, unfortunately.

They got it right in 2007.

[CrimsonLegionVMCXIX]

Originally Posted by Nosferatu31

They got it right in 2007.

I will give credit to Rob Zombie's Halloween for that one thing. He indeed got the mask right.

[Zapp Brannigan]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

You mean you don’t find this intimidating?

[Show spoiler]

Golly gee willikers. Hey Laurie, have you seen my keys? I'm running late, darn it.

[Nosferatu31]

Originally Posted by CrimsonLegionVMCXIX

I will give credit to Rob Zombie's Halloween for that one thing. He indeed got the mask right.

That's about all he got right in that film.

[Kubrick DeLarge1989]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

You mean you don’t find this intimidating?

Then the mask changes again in the next shot I believe haha, how did Jamie Lee Curtis not say anything about that mask?