Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

And everything I've seen about Justice League is crossing that point for me; horrendous character designs (who ever gave the thumbs up to Cyborg's design is insane), doubling down on problematic elements from previous films, trying too hard to look like a Marvel film, merging two films into one, hiring a director with a completely incompatible style to Snyder's to finish the film meaning the film will be tonally inconsistent, having a terrible marketing scheme and WB effectively announcing the film won't even be relevant in two years or so as they prepare to reboot the series with Flashpoint.

Am I a little pessimistic about the film? Possibly. But that's a result of everything about the film not inspiring confidence.

What problematic elements are they doubling down on? I think you’re confused on a few things.

1. Their aesthetic is decidedly not Marvel so your presumption that they’re trying to look like Marvel is wrong.
2. They never put two movies in one. JL Part 2 was always a placeholder title (this was confirmed in an interview prior to BvS’ release). The stories connect but not the same way something like say, Matrix 2 and 3 are the same story split in two.
3. Whedon’s style being incompatible is a moot point. It’s not Whedon’s film and he’s putting his sensibilities to work here, not his style.
4. The marketing scheme is mirroring that or Wonder Woman and It, WBs two biggest films this year. Terrible, I don’t know about that.
5. Flashpoint is not a reboot and the DCU will still be here after JL releases.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

True.....I figure the early birds are huge comic book movie fans (like me) so if they like it so will I (hopefully).

WB specifically gets comic book nerds (especially the type who will love the movie no matter what) for early screenings just to get good buzz.

[RalphoR]

I'm sure that's a common practice for all studios to some point. I guess we'll find out the truth soon enough. Got my tickets for the Friday night showing around 7 pm. I'm sure we'll hear from the Thursday nighters what the word really is.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

What problematic elements are they doubling down on? I think you’re confused on a few things.

1. Their aesthetic is decidedly not Marvel so your presumption that they’re trying to look like Marvel is wrong.
2. They never put two movies in one. JL Part 2 was always a placeholder title (this was confirmed in an interview prior to BvS’ release). The stories connect but not the same way something like say, Matrix 2 and 3 are the same story split in two.
3. Whedon’s style being incompatible is a moot point. It’s not Whedon’s film and he’s putting his sensibilities to work here, not his style.
4. The marketing scheme is mirroring that or Wonder Woman and It, WBs two biggest films this year. Terrible, I don’t know about that.
5. Flashpoint is not a reboot and the DCU will still be here after JL releases.

1. They're marketing Justice League like it's a Marvel movie with heavy focus on jokes, action and light heartedness. The first trailer is almost a direct rip-off of the first Avengers trailer.

2. It's been said the final script for Justice League is a merged version of the early script for Justice League 1 and the treatment for Justice League 2. Both stories have been condensed to one script.

3. Whedon is putting his own mark on the film. Just look at the difference in colour from the first trailer (which Snyder said was all finished footage) to the last. Some shots look completely different. Whedon is definitely putting his own mark on the film. His sensibilities are completely different to Snyder's.

4. Wonder Woman and IT had great marketing. Justice League, not so much. With Wonder Woman and IT you could feel the hype months in advance. Justice League not so much. Wonder Woman and IT had amazing trailers and posters. Justice League not so much.

5. Flashpoint WILL be a reboot of the DCEU and if you think it won't, you're kidding yourself. The Flashpoint storyline is a storyline that specifically reboots the timeline. It's obvious they're using it to remove Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Suicide Squad and probably Justice League as well from the continuity so they can start fresh with just Wonder Woman and maybe Aquaman. Much like Days of Future Past, Flashpoint will remove the films that weren't well received from the canon. Expect the DCEU to more accurately reflect the comics post-Flashpoint with many things undone (Jimmy Olsen won't be a CIA agent who gets killed off in the first 5 minutes for instance).

[imsounoriginal]

^ yeah, Flashpoint is gonna turn the current crop of DC movies into some kind of alternate universe. After Flashpoint we're gonna get the bright and optimistic DC movies that people apparently want. Which isn't necessarily wrong, but damn, I really do love what Snyder did with MoS and (to a slightly lesser extent) BvS. Oh well, at least we'll always have those two.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by RalphoR

I'm sure that's a common practice for all studios to some point. I guess we'll find out the truth soon enough. Got my tickets for the Friday night showing around 7 pm. I'm sure we'll hear from the Thursday nighters what the word really is.

Review embargo lifts on Thursday so critic reviews will be available then. That should give us an idea of the quality of the film. Social media embargo lifts a little before then so we should have an idea then.

The fact WB is keeping the embargo date so close to release indicates they aren't confident it will be received well however. Before people jump in saying it's WB policy, they do earlier embargo dates when they're confident the film is good Wonder Woman, Fantastic Beasts and Dunkirk all had embargo dates a few days or more before release. Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad had day before embargo dates. I think they're anticipating a similar reaction to Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad.

[rocklobster]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Review embargo lifts on Thursday so critic reviews will be available then. That should give us an idea of the quality of the film. Social media embargo lifts a little before then so we should have an idea then.

The fact WB is keeping the embargo date so close to release indicates they aren't confident it will be received well however. Before people jump in saying it's WB policy, they do earlier embargo dates when they're confident the film is good Wonder Woman, Fantastic Beasts and Dunkirk all had embargo dates a few days or more before release. Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad had day before embargo dates. I think they're anticipating a similar reaction to Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad.

I can't speak to this on Fantastic Beasts or Dunkirk, but I believe Wonder Woman had its initial review embargo expire the day before its release only to have WB decide to end it early...something that could still happen for JL.

[cornbread_1788]

Placed a pre-order on 2 3D tickets for the Thursday preview screening at my local Regal cinema (Local meaning a 25 mile drive) to receive my free Funko Flash vinyl, and with $25 bday gift card brought it down to pay $5.50 out of pocket.....

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

1. They're marketing Justice League like it's a Marvel movie with heavy focus on jokes, action and light heartedness. The first trailer is almost a direct rip-off of the first Avengers trailer.

2. It's been said the final script for Justice League is a merged version of the early script for Justice League 1 and the treatment for Justice League 2. Both stories have been condensed to one script.

3. Whedon is putting his own mark on the film. Just look at the difference in colour from the first trailer (which Snyder said was all finished footage) to the last. Some shots look completely different. Whedon is definitely putting his own mark on the film. His sensibilities are completely different to Snyder's.

4. Wonder Woman and IT had great marketing. Justice League, not so much. With Wonder Woman and IT you could feel the hype months in advance. Justice League not so much. Wonder Woman and IT had amazing trailers and posters. Justice League not so much.

5. Flashpoint WILL be a reboot of the DCEU and if you think it won't, you're kidding yourself. The Flashpoint storyline is a storyline that specifically reboots the timeline. It's obvious they're using it to remove Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Suicide Squad and probably Justice League as well from the continuity so they can start fresh with just Wonder Woman and maybe Aquaman. Much like Days of Future Past, Flashpoint will remove the films that weren't well received from the canon. Expect the DCEU to more accurately reflect the comics post-Flashpoint with many things undone (Jimmy Olsen won't be a CIA agent who gets killed off in the first 5 minutes for instance).

1. I disagree. There’s been humor in each trailer but none of the trailers have been outwardly “look at how funny this will be!” They’re all epic music and action. Marvel did not create action nor is a joke or two in the trailer evidence that the whole movie will be bright. Actually a lot of the trailers focus on how hopeless the world is without Superman and how much they need him. The coloring is still dark, even though there’s more color pop.

2. I’d like a source on that. I’ve never heard that to be the case and JL 2 would have focused on Darkseid who as far as we know will not appear here in any significant capacity.

3. Coloring changes from trailer to trailer often. Just look at the Wonder Woman trailers. Or even the BvS trailers. Regardless, this is a point we’ll see in the final film. The film was always meant to be lighter so it’s not likely to clash as much as you think.

4. Wonder Woman and It has almost no marketing until the last 2 to 3 weeks before release. The same is so for JL. The quality of what we’re seeing is subjective so I guess we can’t argue on that point.

5. No, Flashpoint is not the reboot. It may be a soft reboot but I would not and you should not expect it to remove films wholesale. For one, comic Flashpoint was meant to be a one off story that returned the status quo at the end (and has since been retconned back to its original purpose), before it was commandeered to be a reset switch. Geoff Johns is now in charge of DC Films. He wrote Flashpoint so I think it’s more than likely that he’ll keep it close to what he originally wanted the story to be. Though with the Flash time travel tropes, of course small things will be changed. Wonder Woman was the start of the “hopeful” trajectory and Justice League will continue that.

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by rocklobster

I can't speak to this on Fantastic Beasts or Dunkirk, but I believe Wonder Woman had its initial review embargo expire the day before its release only to have WB decide to end it early...something that could still happen for JL.

That’s correct. They had initially held the emarbgo date but ended it the week of release due to confidence. Actually, the fact that they’re screening it for critics this much in advance is confident. For BvS and I believe SS as well, they didn’t screen it until the week of release.

[BluRayHiDef]

It's a shame that a movie has to be as boring and light hearted as WW to be considered good.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

It's a shame that a movie has to be as boring and light hearted as WW to be considered good.

Wonder Woman being considered good had nothing to do with the tone. it was considered a good movie because... it was a good movie.

[Jason 831]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Wonder Woman being considered good had nothing to do with the tone. it was considered a good movie because... it was a good movie.

He doesn't know what a good movie is

[Poya]

To be fair, good and bad is subjective, but Wonder Woman was a good movie and that’s a fact.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Poya

To be fair, good and bad is subjective, but Wonder Woman was a good movie and that’s a fact.

Wonder Woman is good is an opinion, not a fact.

[imsounoriginal]

Wonder Woman is a good movie but it's clearly a move on DC's part to go towards more conventional superhero movies. Apparently that's what most audiences want so it's hard to blame DC for that decision.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Wonder Woman is a good movie but it's clearly a move on DC's part to go towards more conventional superhero movies. Apparently that's what most audiences want so it's hard to blame DC for that decision.

Henry Cavill summed it up recently: “There was a style [DC was] going for, an attempt to be different and look at things from a slightly different perspective, which hasn't necessarily worked. Yes, it has made money, but it has not been a critical success; it hasn't given everyone that sensation which superheroes should give the viewer. I feel like now the right mistakes have been made and they haven't been pandered [to], and we can start telling the stories in the way they need to be told. It is even better to come back from a mistake or stylistic error into the correct vein because it will make it seem that much stronger. Wonder Woman was the first step in the right direction.”

Effectively DC has realised they went wrong and the direction they were taking the movies in was a direction that wasn’t right for the characters and a direction that audiences did not agree with. Justice League will be the last of the “Snyder” movies and Flashpoint will be used to “reboot” the series similar to how Days of Future Past rebooted X-Men so the franchise more accurately reflects the comics.

[BluRayHiDef]

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[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

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Steppenwolf still looks like a dodgy video game character.

[thethingwithnoname]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Steppenwolf still looks like a dodgy video game character.

Boy, I hope they improve that before release