Game of Thrones: The Complete First Season 4K UHD (2011)

[ckenisell]

I think the final way that it wrapped was bad, but disagree that the seasons leading up were bad. I was actually looking forward to their take on Star Wars. Much more so than that hack Rian.

Anyway, I wouldn't even say that the final season was horrible. I would give it a 6 out of 10 which is much higher than any other shows right now. It just seemed bad because most other seasons were an 8, 9 or 10. And, to be honest, I am only bitter because it didn't turn out the way I wanted it to. I mean, Bran, who the f even cared about that character? Literally, the character that could have been written out of the entire show and NOBODY would have cared. Now he sits on the throne? Come on!

[LegacyCosts]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Some of us don't get that bothered by a TV show that had a few bad episodes out of dozens?

Endings are important.

[NotASpeckOfCereal]

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

I just don't understand how anyone could be excited for more game of thrones after that ending.

In addition to "Because Benioff & Weiss aren’t creatively attached", there's also the lesson we hope they learned.

If you will remember the similar response to the ending of LOST (many people bailed on that last season, same as with GoT), the creatives of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse found plenty of work after. Lindelof had several hit shows since, including the current HBO hit series "Watchmen".

It's not like Benioff & Weiss are Milli Vanilli — they made a butt-load of money for HBO and that wasn't fake. They just messed up that last season or so.

Chris

[zetruz]

Originally Posted by Kevinicus

Um...I would want that. Especially, since it was barely touched on in the main series. My interest in this other Targaryen series is far far less than for the long night. Absolutely, give me more of the UNKNOWN ancient history that set up so much of what we saw. I'd much rather have that than a known history of a messed up family with dragons.

Ah fair enough, to each their own. I just feel like the mystery was such a core part of what made the White Walkers interesting. Now that they're no longer mysterious (even though we don't fully understand them), because we know their end and purpose, it just feels like there's no reason to go there.
Targaryen politics, on the other hand, will always be fun - that's intrigue, which is separate from mystery. A White Walkers prequel would also have family-based intrigue of course, so it wouldn't be all bad by any means, but the central conceit is already played out in my opinion. =)

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by zetruz

I just feel like the mystery was such a core part of what made the White Walkers interesting. Now that they're no longer mysterious (even though we don't fully understand them), because we know their end and purpose, it just feels like there's no reason to go there.

Again, just because we know their end purpose doesn't mean we understand their, what's the key word again, motive.

I think that's why Breaking Bad was so good. We ALWAYS understood every characters motives.

[Nothing371]

The opinions from most GoT "fans" don't mean much when it's obvious that most of them don't even understand when the show first went bad. You can tell that a lot of people binged it too, or became all caught up during the later seasons, because they didn't get the feel for the weekly episodic presentation nor experience their proper digestion. The series had its ups and downs.

[DustnBones001]

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

I just don't understand how anyone could be excited for more game of thrones after that ending.

Those that actually enjoyed the ending? Yes we exist. I loved season 8. Try as I might I don't see the issues. Now the season was flawed for sure. Having only 6 episodes isn't enough to properly flesh out a story. But the main story beats were on point. And more importantly true to the characters.

Dany was always a crazy nut who had a thirst for power. That was her entire life goal. So it makes total sense logically that would be her undoing.

Most of the complaints of the season I have seen are just bitter whining. Everyone wants to write a show these days instead of being a viewer. I recently watched the season again with my fiancee's cousin and she loved it. And she is a dany fan.

All art is subjective so I'm not ever going to say people are wrong for how they feel. All I can say is I enjoyed the season. I wish it was given more breathing room with more episodes. But even with the self imposed constraints from D&D. I strongly believe they delivered a good ending.

I can't wait to own the season on disc.

[Farerb]

I don't understand where people get this "Dany has always been mad" when eventually all the characters were written the same (D&D basically admitted that they didn't understand the characters and wrote them for the actors and Emilia definitely didn't play Daenerys that way). So why is Daenerys mad but Sansa and Arya are okay though they did horrible things as well, even more than Daenerys, especially Arya, who has basically become a sociopath.

[Farerb]

And speaking of inconsistency. You have Arya meeting her old friend, Hot Pie, and she's really apathetic towards him, but then next episode she meets Ed Sheeran and she's giggly and smiling as if she's a fangirl, and he's a LANNISTER soldier. Whatever. Greatest show ever.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

The opinions from most GoT "fans" don't mean much when it's obvious that most of them don't even understand when the show first went bad. You can tell that a lot of people binged it too, or became all caught up during the later seasons, because they didn't get the feel for the weekly episodic presentation nor experience their proper digestion. The series had its ups and downs.

I think 'bad' is a relative term. The first 4 seasons are some of the best television I have ever seen. I'd say season 5 and 6 got worse but I don't know if you can call them 'bad'. Season 7 and 8 are more disappointing than 'bad'. Put it this way, I was never bored and I never had to force myself to watch the next episode. I can't say the same for a lot of other television series including some iconic ones.

[r9800pro]

Originally Posted by farerb

I don't understand where people get this "Dany has always been mad" when eventually all the characters were written the same (D&D basically admitted that they didn't understand the characters and wrote them for the actors and Emilia definitely didn't play Daenerys that way). So why is Daenerys mad but Sansa and Arya are okay though they did horrible things as well, even more than Daenerys, especially Arya, who has basically become a sociopath.

It was in her genes... plus, with great power, comes great madness

She did so many things that hinted she would turn out the way she did while she had other options. Arya and Sansa, on the other hand, did some horrible things due to what happened to them and they didn't really have other options.

[Farerb]

^ It's not though. There were only 4-5 mad Targaryens out of dozens.
Sansa didn't have to set the dogs on Ramsay, she could have executed him clean and not lower herself to his level. Or even Arya with the baking and poisoning, seriously this is just show apologia coming from you.

[Farerb]

Dany executing two adults = mad.
Jon executing a literal child = sane.
Dany looking apathetically when her abuser is killed in a horrible way = mad.
Sansa smirking when her abuser is killed in a horrible way = sane.

Yeah, that's logical.

[spider-neil]

Also, I have ZERO problems with where the characters ended up (especially Dany). My main problem is how they got there. It wasn't earned.

[DustnBones001]

Originally Posted by farerb

I don't understand where people get this "Dany has always been mad" when eventually all the characters were written the same (D&D basically admitted that they didn't understand the characters and wrote them for the actors and Emilia definitely didn't play Daenerys that way). So why is Daenerys mad but Sansa and Arya are okay though they did horrible things as well, even more than Daenerys, especially Arya, who has basically become a sociopath.

When you go back and re watch the earlier seasons. You see how her worst impulses were only kept in check by her advisers. As she started to lose said advisers she became more and more unhinged.

Then when she went to westeroes she realized she wasn't this grand savoir people were waiting for. Then she finds out she isn't the rightful heir after all.

So with her losing all her children and advisers, not being the rightful heir, realizing westeroes wasn't begging for her to be on the throne. Yes it's easy to see why she snapped.

People in real life snap under much less. And you can't compare her to arya. Arya was driven by vengeance. While dany was all about a thirst for power. A power she was willing to take at any cost.

[krismate]

I don't think the Dany going mad plot is too bad. It did feel a little less developed than it could've been, though.

The last two seasons (you could start to see it emerging a little in season 6 but I still consider that a pretty good season) fall apart in terms of tightness and sense. The Ice Lake battle episode was poorly written and full of plotholes and illogical moments and downright stupid that any character would think it was a good idea to capture a wight. The same can be said for the Battle at Winterfell episode. Just as an example, characters surrounded by Wights for minutes on end but somehow don't die? Plot armour to the max... When almost every other time the show has shown Wights in those numbers, they pretty much destroy everything in their path...

You can love the last season all you want but you can't say it was well written like the earlier seasons. It most definitely traded sense for spectacle.

[DustnBones001]

Originally Posted by krismate

I don't think the Dany going mad plot is too bad. It did feel a little less developed than it could've been, though.

The last two seasons (you could start to see it emerging a little in season 6 but I still consider that a pretty good season) fall apart in terms of tightness and sense. The Ice Lake battle episode was poorly written and full of plotholes and illogical moments and downright stupid that any character would think it was a good idea to capture a wight. The same can be said for the Battle at Winterfell episode. Just as an example, characters surrounded by Wights for minutes on end but somehow don't die? Plot armour to the max... When almost every other time the show has shown Wights in those numbers, they pretty much destroy everything in their path...

You can love the last season all you want but you can't say it was well written like the earlier seasons. It most definitely traded sense for spectacle.

I can say it was well written. Because I do believe it was well written. The only flaw with the season is the rushed pacing. The writing was fine and true to the characters.

[LegacyCosts]

Never had an issue with dany going mad, thought it was justified when she burned kings landing, broke cercesi and the whitewalker battle was really dope and uniquely shot. I actually liked season 8 until the bran fiasco, jon being exiled and killing dany like a coward, the unsullied not putting tyrion to death and letting him give his speech at the end made no sense, none of the finale made sense. It was just handled poorly and ruined the show. Season 5 is REALLY rough on a rewatch, I stopped at season 5 during the summer so its not like the finale was the only issue, it just stings more, the cast/fans deserved better.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

...the cast/fans deserved better.

I think the cast was just as pissed about the ending as most of the fans were. Bottom line, they were ready to be done.

[LegacyCosts]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

I think the cast was just as pissed about the ending as most of the fans were. Bottom line, they were ready to be done.

Emilia Clarke and Kit Harrington didn't even hide their dismay, they good tho. rich and beautiful.