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Old 11-06-2018, 01:45 AM   #1361
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For any of you that ordered off amazon, is your order being pushed a week? I will try my bestbuy to see if they have any in stock.... wonder why amazon is pushing the shipping
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:02 AM   #1362
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For any of you that ordered off amazon, is your order being pushed a week? I will try my bestbuy to see if they have any in stock.... wonder why amazon is pushing the shipping
Amazon has become the worst for me when it comes to reliably getting new titles. I'd keep checking their current estimated delivery status on the product page. Last week I had three new releases get delayed twice. The second time they were delayed an additional 5 days at the same time they were in stock with an arrival date 2 days out. I had to cancel my pre-order and re-order to get them to ship.

Best Buy isn't looking good so far - this wasn't on Tyrok's list of new releases in store. It doesn't have an online-only SKU, though.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:08 AM   #1363
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Bill Hunt’s review is up:
http://www.digitalbits.com/item/supe...e-movie-uhd-bd
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:09 AM   #1364
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Right then, the audio. Now I don't usually do this for my write-ups as I very rarely fire up the ol' AVR (Denon X2200) to even bother listening in surround sound, I just don't enjoy it like I once did and my damaged hearing is testament to that. If anything I don't want to damage it further (just visiting the cinema two days in succession for First Man and then A Star is Born left my ears ringing for days afterwards) so I try to space out my uses of the AVR. But in this case, with STM's 4K disc reportedly having a 5.1 track newly derived from the 70mm mix, only surround sound would do.

The four main sources for comparison are the 5.1 remix as heard on both the SE and theatrical Blu-rays, the 2.0 original 35mm Dolby Stereo on the theatrical Blu-ray, and the 5.1 70mm and 7.1 Atmos 'core' on the 4K disc. For a bit of orientation I flicked back and forth in the 2.0 mix and it wasn't actually as bad as I remember it to be, it's quite low in fidelity but upmixes quite well with Dolby Surround. But when playing the 70mm DD 5.1 mix on the 4K, oh mai.

The thing that hits you about the 70mm mix is the directional dialogue panning across the front speakers, there's so much of it that it's almost a rarity when dialogue actually comes from the centre channel! A favourite moment is when Lex is in his 'library' and Otis pushes the ladder away, when Lex starts yelling "N, as in 'nincompoop!'" it comes from the front right channel and when the ladder slowly tracks back from right to left across screen Lex's dialogue tracks with it, ending up firmly ensconsed in the front left channel as he sits and talks about meteorites, it's a terrifically old-school effect. What's interesting is that the 2.0 theatrical mix retains some of this steerage, it's nowhere near as precise as the 70mm but there's definitely a sense of it there, whereas the SE remix and the 7.1 Atmos core lock the dialogue firmly into the centre throughout the entire scene, as they do throughout the majority of the movie.

Yes, the remixes add a very modern sense of constant ambience and a tightly-knit soundfield that both of these theatrical variants lack, and I've said recently that I didn't find the remix to be all the way sacrilegious, but now that I've heard the 70mm the remixes also seem more constrained at the same time without the directional dialogue. And while the 35mm 2.0 mix lacks for bass the 70mm 5.1 mix has some very nice moments of LFE, like when the dome opens up in the trial scene; there's something of a rumble with the 2.0 but the 70mm 5.1 really adds some heft to it. There are true split-surround effects in the 70mm also, like the shot of the two cars escaping from police at the docks that zoom past camera, one flies off into rear left and the other into rear right. As I said, nothing like the wrap-around ambience of the modern remixes but good moments nonetheless.

Would lossless have greatly benefitted the 70mm 5.1 mix? I'd like to think so but I can't recall a moment where it sounded overly harsh or reedy, and the music sounds better here in 640 kb/s DD 5.1 from 70mm than it does in lossless DTS-HD MA 2.0 for the 35mm mix. And lossless certainly wouldn't make it sound more cohesive in terms of the surround field, as it is what it is. But if you love that old-school directional dialogue then you're gonna be in heaven with this 70mm mix regardless.
Thank you for the comprehensive audio review, Geoff.

VERY much appreciated.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:09 AM   #1365
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Hoping my local Walmart or target has it tomorrow
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:11 AM   #1366
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Well that video review seems about 75% negative...I did not expect that at all.
Some of it is down to what I like/don't like re: the grading, and other bits are probably what only Geoffy Vision™ can see, like the traveling VFX mattes. My comments on the grain aren't a complaint either but an observation. It still looks plenty filmic and there's now a depth to the lighting that the SDR Blu-rays lack, I just wish that they hadn't killed the reflective suits in the Kryptonian council scene because they SHOULD be bright. It's odd because the HDR is so well-tuned otherwise, keeping the lighting nice and silky and reserving the brightest speculars only for moments where you'd really expect them to be bright - alas, that doesn't extend to them funky reflective suits.

I'll give it another viewing in Dolby when I get my OPPO back in the next few days, but I can't imagine that it'll improve it all that much.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:40 AM   #1367
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Picked up a copy of the Australian release this morning. While I haven't checked the BD disc yet, the back cover's specs and extra features states it is of the (unremastered) Theatrical Cut.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:42 AM   #1368
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Those vertical bars are NOT there on the SE and theatrical Blu-rays either when viewed on my TV, I checked.
Although different, still reminds me a little of Raging Bull.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:43 AM   #1369
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Some of it is down to what I like/don't like re: the grading, and other bits are probably what only Geoffy Vision™ can see, like the traveling VFX mattes. My comments on the grain aren't a complaint either but an observation. It still looks plenty filmic and there's now a depth to the lighting that the SDR Blu-rays lack, I just wish that they hadn't killed the reflective suits in the Kryptonian council scene because they SHOULD be bright. It's odd because the HDR is so well-tuned otherwise, keeping the lighting nice and silky and reserving the brightest speculars only for moments where you'd really expect them to be bright - alas, that doesn't extend to them funky reflective suits.

I'll give it another viewing in Dolby when I get my OPPO back in the next few days, but I can't imagine that it'll improve it all that much.
Donner should have probably been involved.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:46 AM   #1370
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For any of you that ordered off amazon, is your order being pushed a week? I will try my bestbuy to see if they have any in stock.... wonder why amazon is pushing the shipping
Mine is due tomorrow with my copy of the Hunt For Wolverine HC.
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Donner should have probably been involved.
That's a rather messy situation there, all sorts of legal headaches.
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:04 AM   #1372
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For any of you that ordered off amazon, is your order being pushed a week? I will try my bestbuy to see if they have any in stock.... wonder why amazon is pushing the shipping
Mine has been shipped from Amazon along with Sherlock season one 4K and is due to arrive tomorrow(Tuesday).
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Old 11-06-2018, 04:32 AM   #1373
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i didn't see the original blu but you guys thing UHD PQ is "hazy"?
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Old 11-06-2018, 04:55 AM   #1374
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So, El Jefe --with your Wand of Judgment Thingy...if you had to choose between the 2011 Blu-Ray and the 4k release, what would be your verdict?

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Old 11-06-2018, 05:16 AM   #1375
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Bill Hunt will always be one of my favorite reviewers. I trust him. Got this one ordered.
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Old 11-06-2018, 10:35 AM   #1376
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So, El Jefe --with your Wand of Judgment Thingy...if you had to choose between the 2011 Blu-Ray and the 4k release, what would be your verdict?

4K for sure, there's a "tightness" to it that the other versions lack and when it comes to the garbage mattes I'll take your advice with Star Wars and lower black to compensate. I'm still left with my distaste for how the Krypton council scene now looks (even if I clip the highlights down to about 140 nits no detail is lost in the suits which shows how relatively dimly they've been graded, I just don't understand it) plus the ghastly vertical banding during the sunrise shot, but the addition of the 70mm audio mix alone means that the disc should be treasured.
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Old 11-06-2018, 10:44 AM   #1377
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Jesus, the 4K looks so much better! How could anybody complain?
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Old 11-06-2018, 12:40 PM   #1378
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I really love Superman, but I'm a little ashamed to admit that I've never seen any of the sequels. I know about the troubled production history surrounding Superman II and it's made me really curious to check out both cuts. The only thing is, it looks like I'll have to get the anthology set just to get the theatrical cut of part II, and I'm not so sure about the sequels beyond that. How bad we talking regarding Superman III and IV? I have a thing for campy Cannon productions, but are they like Jaws 4-level bad, where they're just completely terrible and have almost no redeeming qualities? Or are they cheesy campy bad where the film is ridiculous but still fun? Trying to decide whether it's worth paying CDN $34.99 (ontop of getting the UHD of the first film) when I just want the 2 cuts of Superman II and the bonus disc.

Is it a pretty good set? Worth 35 bucks?

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Old 11-06-2018, 12:45 PM   #1379
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For any of you that ordered off amazon, is your order being pushed a week? I will try my bestbuy to see if they have any in stock.... wonder why amazon is pushing the shipping
I order from Amazon in large part because the shipping states that I'll get it on release date. And then...they send out a shipping update. DELAY. Sad.
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Jesus, the 4K looks so much better! How could anybody complain?
Some people are just complainers because they're too anal for their own good. Nothing pleases them! If a image was perfect, psychologically, they're going to find something wrong with it, but in reality when it's not.
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