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[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

No, even “haters” bring it up from time to time. Not even Marvel haters bring up CW. It’s just not worth it. And if DC fanboys defend the movie, why do you think they’re defending it? Oh yeah, cause OTHER people bring it up first. Defense is a response, not the inciting action.

Regardless, it’s all subjective.

The reason people talk about BVS more than Civil War is because people on the internet are more vocal when they dislike something rather than when they like something. BVS was a colossal disappointment so of course the internet is still ranting about it. It doesn’t help that a lot of DC movie fans on the internet are either incredibly sensitive and defensive about the movies or are far too up Snyder’s backside that they feel they “have” to defend the movies like they’ve been personally insulted.

And that’s why Civil War isn’t really talked about anymore. Because it was a mostly well received film that many people liked. In fact most of the times it’s brought up online are by some DC fans who, unable to defend their own movies, have resorted to just tearing down other movies.

It’s a simple fact; people on the internet are more vocal when they dislike something. You’ll see it on any forum. The Transformers movies are regularly brought up on movie forums just because people hate them and enjoy talking about how much they hate them.

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

The reason people talk about BVS more than Civil War is because people on the internet are more vocal when they dislike something rather than when they like something. BVS was a colossal disappointment so of course the internet is still ranting about it. It doesn’t help that a lot of DC movie fans on the internet are either incredibly sensitive and defensive about the movies or are far too up Snyder’s backside that they feel they “have” to defend the movies like they’ve been personally insulted.

And that’s why Civil War isn’t really talked about anymore. Because it was a mostly well received film that many people liked. In fact most of the times it’s brought up online are by some DC fans who, unable to defend their own movies, have resorted to just tearing down other movies.

It’s a simple fact; people on the internet are more vocal when they dislike something. You’ll see it on any forum. The Transformers movies are regularly brought up on movie forums just because people hate them and enjoy talking about how much they hate them.

I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with negativity being more vocal, but there’s a few DC visual essays floating around and plenty of discussion about the movie itself that’s not negative. I see more people coming around to it after either multiple rewatches or just checking out the Ultimate Cut. On the opposite end, I see more people either completely forgetting what happens in CW or just plain finding it doesn’t hold up as well on rewatch. Personally, I’m in the second camp. Even on release I still preferred Winter Soldier but now it’s even lower on the totem pole of Marvel films for me. At the very least, it and Doctor Strange have (so far) been the last of the mediocre Marvel films. Everything this year has been great!

[imsounoriginal]

Civil War is a better movie than either version of BvS, but I've seen BvS more times than Civil War. I dunno, I just find more to revisit there, in spite of BvS' issues.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

The reason people talk about BVS more than Civil War is because people on the internet are more vocal when they dislike something rather than when they like something. BVS was a colossal disappointment so of course the internet is still ranting about it. It doesn’t help that a lot of DC movie fans on the internet are either incredibly sensitive and defensive about the movies or are far too up Snyder’s backside that they feel they “have” to defend the movies like they’ve been personally insulted.

I'd say that people who constantly express their distaste for something are sensitive, like children who scream at their mothers to cut the crusts off. Especially the ones doing it years on.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

A lot of MCU films are awful? Jeez you must have impossibly high standards.

The only one I’d say was awful was Iron Man 2 but that’s still entertaining to a degree. Even the more disappointing Marvel films (Thor: The Dark World, Iron Man 3) are still very entertaining.

high standards? lol these are comicbook movies you don't need standards. Spiderman Homecoming, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Ant-Man are terrible movies. Doctor Strange and GOTG2 are bad movies. These may be entertaining for you but I don't get entertained by these. I find myself bored and shaking my head at the terrible dialogue and awful jokes. If i were 15 years old I would love these I'm sure

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Civil War is a better movie than either version of BvS, but I've seen BvS more times than Civil War. I dunno, I just find more to revisit there, in spite of BvS' issues.

For you yes it is.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

For you yes it is.

I mean, I like BvS as well. I've made no secret of that. But I do believe Civil War is a little bit better. (And as far as 2016 CBMs go, Deadpool was better than both.)

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I mean, I like BvS as well. I've made no secret of that. But I do believe Civil War is a little bit better. (And as far as 2016 CBMs go, Deadpool was better than both.)

I still think BvS is one of the best comicbook films to date. I have Civil War 7th for MCU films. It was good but had too many flaws for me to put it lower on the list compared to others.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

...Deadpool was better than both.)

Madness.

Inb4thisissparta.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

high standards? lol these are comicbook movies you don't need standards. Spiderman Homecoming, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Ant-Man are terrible movies. Doctor Strange and GOTG2 are bad movies. These may be entertaining for you but I don't get entertained by these. I find myself bored and shaking my head at the terrible dialogue and awful jokes. If i were 15 years old I would love these I'm sure

Objectively they're terrible and bad for you. Don't make the mistake of thinking your opinion is the correct one.

In terms of critical and audience response the only Marvel movies to not receive an overly positive response are Thor: The Dark World, Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 3 and Captain America: The First Avenger. And that's only because the movies had a mixed response leaning to positive; Thor: The Dark World and The Incredible Hulk are the only Marvel movies not certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes while Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 3 and Captain America are the only ones with a below 80% audience score.

And if we go by Metacritic (who rate more harshly than Rotten Tomatoes); only Thor and Thor: The Dark World have received a mixed critical response.

You may not like them, but that's your opinion. It's not a subjective fact to say that nearly all of the MCU movies have been well received by audiences and critics and can thus be considered "good" movies.

[joenostalgia23]

Is there even a pre-order for this film yet?

Feels like this is just a space for Marvel and DC fans to insult each other's favorite franchise.

I like these movies because of Zack Snyder. Since he was replaced with Joss Whedon, my interest has really been drained. It's not a brand problem.

[Jason 831]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Objectively they're terrible and bad for you. Don't make the mistake of thinking your opinion is the correct one.

In terms of critical and audience response the only Marvel movies to not receive an overly positive response are Thor: The Dark World, Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 3 and Captain America: The First Avenger. And that's only because the movies had a mixed response leaning to positive; Thor: The Dark World and The Incredible Hulk are the only Marvel movies not certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes while Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 3 and Captain America are the only ones with a below 80% audience score.

And if we go by Metacritic (who rate more harshly than Rotten Tomatoes); only Thor and Thor: The Dark World have received a mixed critical response.

You may not like them, but that's your opinion. It's not a subjective fact to say that nearly all of the MCU movies have been well received by audiences and critics and can thus be considered "good" movies.

You're on roll. BvS was not critically acclaimed at all and for a good reason. Even the user scores are average or below

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Feels like this is just a space for Marvel and DC fans to insult each other's favorite franchise.

It's interesting, as someone in the middle of the debate. I love both Marvel and DC's comics. I prefer Marvel's movies mainly because they've made more good ones. However I know when they go wrong and don't deny it. Age of Ultron and Thor: The Dark World were underwhelming (even if I really like them). Yet I do like some of DC's movies. Man of Steel was good as was Wonder Woman. Yet Batman v Superman was a massive disappointment with delusions of grandeur with most of it's "deeper meanings" being surface level at best and poorly implemented at worst. The most disappointing thing about it is that when it's good it's very good but those moments are few and far between.

I don't prefer one company over the other. In fact my list of favourite superheroes and by extension favourite superhero movies is a healthy mix of Marvel, DC and Fox.

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

I don't prefer one company over the other. In fact my list of favourite superheroes and by extension favourite superhero movies is a healthy mix of Marvel, DC and Fox.

As it should be for most other audience members. And I feel like it mostly is. It seems like most online comments get filtered through a negative filter because in day to day interaction, I find people like most offerings from each company with a few disliking one film or another. Overall, it’s been a great year for comic films from every company so that also makes it easier.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

As it should be for most other audience members. And I feel like it mostly is. It seems like most online comments get filtered through a negative filter because in day to day interaction, I find people like most offerings from each company with a few disliking one film or another. Overall, it’s been a great year for comic films from every company so that also makes it easier.

I'm hoping Justice League is good so 2017 gets the hat-trick of not having a single disappointing superhero film. But I'm worried because, well, there's always one to ruin it isn't there?

But Fox is really stepping up their output. Deadpool and Logan were great and New Mutants looks fantastic.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Don't make the mistake of thinking your opinion is the correct one.

[...]

You may not like them, but that's your opinion. It's not a subjective fact to say that nearly all of the MCU movies have been well received by audiences and critics and can thus be considered "good" movies.

"subjective fact" is an oxymoron, and it's actually completely subjective to consider mainstream or critical success a metric for "good" or to be indicative of anything else. This notion completely ignores the social fundamentals of mimetic theory, marketing effectiveness, the individual pre-conceptions and familiarity at play etc.

Everything you wrote after the words "and thus" is 100% a subjective and opinion based interpretation of a set of facts. An assertion which can neither be proven or dis-proven, but can only be seen as agreeable or contentious.

How can you tell someone not to consider their opinion to be anything more than their opinion, only to immediately do the exact same thing ten times over?

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by LoSouL

"subjective fact" is an oxymoron, and it's actually completely subjective to consider mainstream success a metric for "good" or to be indicative of anything else. This notion completely ignores the social fundamentals of mimetic theory, marketing effectiveness, the individual pre-conceptions and familiarity at play etc.

Everything you wrote after the word "therefore" is 100% a subjective and opinion based interpretation of a set of facts, which can neither be proven or disproven, but only be seen as agreeable or contentious.

How can you tell someone not to consider their opinion to be anything more than their opinion, only to immediately do the exact same thing ten times over?

If you didn't like Star Wars, would you deny saying it's regarded as a good movie? It's not a subjective interpretation of facts to say most of the Marvel movies are regarded as good movies based on their critical and audience reception. Critical and audience reception is an essential part of film studies. Sure, critics can sometimes be wrong. Peeping Tom was slated upon release and is now regarded as a classic film. But audience reception rarely isn't.

I really the Resident Evil films, but I'd hesitate to say they're regarded as good films. Likewise, I wasn't too fond of Moonlight but I wouldn't say it was a bad film. I just wasn't fond of it.

I think you missed the part where I said that Thor: The Dark World received a very mixed response despite me liking it quite a lot.

It's easy to dismiss someone's thoughts as their opinion, but looking at the facts and figures it's undeniable that most of the Marvel movies have been incredibly well received by critics and audiences. The numbers don't lie. Audiences weren't too fond of Age Of Ultron, but they loved other Marvel movies.

It's also easy to dismiss audiences liking Marvel movies due to "familiarity", "marketing", "pre-conceived notions" etc. but that is an incredibly condescending view of audiences as blind sheep. Asking why audiences like something is a long and deep hole of attempts at understanding audience psychology and attitudes that, from experience, never lead anywhere conclusive. Occam's Razor is always the best solution; audiences enjoyed a film because it was good or provided exactly what the audience wanted at that time. Yes audiences like familiarity, but yet this is an unpredictable element. Friday the 13th learnt that the hard way. Sometimes the simplest data provides the most complete conclusion. People oftentimes think they have to go complicated but keeping things simple leads to more conclusive information.

Besides, I never presented my own opinion as fact so don't try and make me out to be a hypocrite. I used the data (critic reviews, audience scores from various sources, box office etc.) and drew the conclusion that most Marvel movies can be considered good movies due to the overwhelmingly positive response to them from all parties (audiences and critics). I'd do the same for movies I wasn't too keen on.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Objectively they're terrible and bad for you. Don't make the mistake of thinking your opinion is the correct one.

In terms of critical and audience response the only Marvel movies to not receive an overly positive response are Thor: The Dark World, Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 3 and Captain America: The First Avenger. And that's only because the movies had a mixed response leaning to positive; Thor: The Dark World and The Incredible Hulk are the only Marvel movies not certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes while Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 3 and Captain America are the only ones with a below 80% audience score.

And if we go by Metacritic (who rate more harshly than Rotten Tomatoes); only Thor and Thor: The Dark World have received a mixed critical response.

You may not like them, but that's your opinion. It's not a subjective fact to say that nearly all of the MCU movies have been well received by audiences and critics and can thus be considered "good" movies.

My opinion on if a film is good or not is a 100% the correct one for me. So you're saying if film is critically liked means it must be good? hah get out of here with that shit. Nobody will alter my opinion if a film is good or not. I like what I like and I hate what I hate. I don't give a shit what is said on Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes, I never visit those sites. I have no reason too. I decide if i want to see a movie based solely on a trailer or cast. Too many sheeps out there that are slaves to RT and Metacritic.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

My opinion on if a film is good or not is a 100% the correct one for me. Because a film is critically like means it must be good? hah get out of here with that shit. Nobody will alter my opinion if a film is good or not. I like what I like and I hate what I hate. I don't give a shit what is said on Metacritic or Rotten Tomatoes, I never visit those sites. I have no reason too. I decide if i want to see a movie based solely on a trailer or cast. Too many sheeps out there that are slaves to RT and Metacritic.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your opinion is wrong or anything like that. It's just that way too many people online have the attitude of "My opinion is the only right wrong and everyone else is just wrong/stupid/sheep". Not enough people have the ability to step back and consider a film outside their own gut feeling. And to totally dismiss what all film critics say is a bit of a shame in my opinion. Sure not all of them are great, but there are those who really know their stuff and are worth listening to even if you might not agree with them. You might think a painting is pretty and you might not care what others think, but an art critic who knows their stuff will be able to shed a whole new outlook on it you might not have considered. And people really aren't "slaves" to RT and Metacritic. From what I've seen, it's that people only have limited funds and only want to spend their money on what many agree to be good.

[NegaScott128]

Here's the thing about "my opinion is right for me" and "critics don't matter." If it were true, then it means Birdemic and The Godfather are equally good.