Joker 4K UHD (2019)

[infiniteCR]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

Yeah. Any 3D news on this would come as a complete shock to me. I don't think this is THAT type of movie. I really do wonder if people are going to go into this movie expecting a Batman-related comic book style movie despite the advertising's best efforts to distance themselves from that.

Some reviewers were surprised how well 3D worked for a title like The Great Gatsby, and it was not a batman comic either.


But 4k is simpler, cheaper, and maybe a percent or two more people will buy it that way.

[Cherokee Jack]

DAY F*CKING ONE.

Just got out of the a 4PM IMAX showing and this is everything I hoped for and more. Both the film and Phoenix incorporate elements of Ledger's and Nicholson's Jokers but this feels totally fresh and relevant. Love how they portrayed the Waynes here. References to Taxi Driver, Death Wish and Network for fans of that era's movies of this type. Also a direct reference to the Batman '89 portrayal of the

[Show spoiler]murder of the Wayne parents

.

Plastered all over my cinema's front doors:

[bradnoyes]

That’s good to hear. Really hoping to be able to sneak out and catch a matinee this weekend.

[Rusty100]

The movie left me with a really bad feeling. Like it had no idea what it was trying to say. If making me feel really uneasy was the point, I guess it did a good job.

But I think, given the things the director has been saying, and his track record, he wasn't even sure what he was going for either.

[Show spoiler]On one hand, the Joker has this 'eat the rich', class divide sucks, the elites only care about themselves, thing going on, and he's got a point, but also he's a homicidal maniac. And on the other side, the people who say he's awful and wrong for killing are right, but also, they're the rich elites in the film, who are also the bad guys. And in the end the Joker got exactly what he wanted, which was to be noticed and glorified. Kind of ****ed up.

Also I like me violent movies don't get me wrong, but the gun violence in this felt a little too real and visceral. It wasn't fun. I dunno, the movie just didn't sit right with me.

It does feel like the director watched Taxi Driver and missed the point and made Death Wish with a clown.

But on the other hand it was a really well shot movie, so it should look super good on UHD.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

The movie left me with a really bad feeling. Like it had no idea what it was trying to say. If making me feel really uneasy was the point, I guess it did a good job.

But I think, given the things the director has been saying, and his track record, he wasn't even sure what he was going for either.

[Show spoiler]On one hand, the Joker has this 'eat the rich', class divide sucks, the elites only care about themselves, thing going on, and he's got a point, but also he's a homicidal maniac. And on the other side, the people who say he's awful and wrong for killing are right, but also, they're the rich elites in the film, who are also the bad guys. And in the end the Joker got exactly what he wanted, which was to be noticed and glorified. Kind of ****ed up.

Also I like me violent movies don't get me wrong, but the gun violence in this felt a little too real and visceral. It wasn't fun. I dunno, the movie just didn't sit right with me.

It does feel like the director watched Taxi Driver and missed the point and made Death Wish with a clown.

So would you say it's trying to encapsulate the zeitgeist of 2010s America? Similar to how the Dark Knight did with post 9/11 America. Though I'm guessing already without even seeing it this is probably an over simplification.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by Nitroboy

I might go check out a 70mm screening this weekend

I would do it, I saw it in 70mm today and really enjoyed that. I’m not knocking digital at all, and in fact when it comes to classic movies give me IMAX or 4K restoration over a beat up archival print, but when you get a good quality print (only issues I noticed was one small and quick scratch, and of course cigarette burns at the reel changes but I enjoyed getting those), and particularly 70mm, there is something special about film projection IMO.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

The movie left me with a really bad feeling. Like it had no idea what it was trying to say. If making me feel really uneasy was the point, I guess it did a good job.

But I think, given the things the director has been saying, and his track record, he wasn't even sure what he was going for either.

[Show spoiler]On one hand, the Joker has this 'eat the rich', class divide sucks, the elites only care about themselves, thing going on, and he's got a point, but also he's a homicidal maniac. And on the other side, the people who say he's awful and wrong for killing are right, but also, they're the rich elites in the film, who are also the bad guys. And in the end the Joker got exactly what he wanted, which was to be noticed and glorified. Kind of ****ed up.

Also I like me violent movies don't get me wrong, but the gun violence in this felt a little too real and visceral. It wasn't fun. I dunno, the movie just didn't sit right with me.

It does feel like the director watched Taxi Driver and missed the point and made Death Wish with a clown.

But on the other hand it was a really well shot movie, so it should look super good on UHD.

The film portrays a both a broken class and mental health system but there's no one to really root for here unless you like anarchy and brutal violence. But the Joker doesn't need to be someone to root for and the Waynes don't need to be noble rich benefactors.

The film in general has a misanthropic quality that will appeal to certain people and turn others off. I loved it and laughed at several scenes where the rest of the audience was quiet. Had the same experience when I saw Batman '89 in a theater this year though the violence here is more realistic of course (lower body count though). It's the combination of misanthropy/nihilism and realistic violence that probably has this getting some people in an uproar. Reminds me of the critical savaging of Fight Club with some claiming it was irresponsible.

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

So would you say it's trying to encapsulate the zeitgeist of 2010s America? Similar to how the Dark Knight did with post 9/11 America. Though I'm guessing already without even seeing it this is probably an over simplification.

Yes, it's set in the early eighties but the film is obviously a comment on our own troubled times. I give them credit for not incorporating a Trump-like figure however.

[LoSouL]

Almost changed my mind, to just wait for the UHD release, but it's my birthday tomorrow, I have high hopes and want to support it. Count me in.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

The film portrays a both a broken class and mental health system but there's no one to really root for here unless you like anarchy and brutal violence. But the Joker doesn't need to be someone to root for and the Waynes don't need to be noble rich benefactors.

The film in general has a misanthropic quality that will appeal to certain people and turn others off. I loved it and laughed at several scenes where the rest of the audience was quiet. Had the same experience when I saw Batman '89 in a theater this year though the violence here is more realistic of course (lower body count though). It's the combination of misanthropy/nihilism and realistic violence that probably has this getting some people in an uproar. Reminds me of the critical savaging of Fight Club with some claiming it was irresponsible.

The problem when you go down the misanthropic, anarchist route. Is that anyone typically older than 30 can view this tone as product of lacking maturation. Though being working class (good old Britain and it's utterly baffling class culture to outsiders) I'm confident in that respect I'll take something out of it.

I'm getting the distinct impression there's a real ugly kind of comedy it plays around with. The turning of the mirror in on yourself, realizing you are product of a society, an environment you exercise very little control over as an individual. The Joker represents the vicurious embodiment of that.

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

The film portrays a both a broken class and mental health system but there's no one to really root for here unless you like anarchy and brutal violence. But the Joker doesn't need to be someone to root for and the Waynes don't need to be noble rich benefactors.

The film in general has a misanthropic quality that will appeal to certain people and turn others off. I loved it and laughed at several scenes where the rest of the audience was quiet. Had the same experience when I saw Batman '89 in a theater this year though the violence here is more realistic of course (lower body count though). It's the combination of misanthropy/nihilism and realistic violence that probably has this getting some people in an uproar. Reminds me of the critical savaging of Fight Club with some claiming it was irresponsible.


Yes, it's set in the early eighties but the film is obviously a comment on our own troubled times. I give them credit for not incorporating a Trump-like figure however.

The problem being that of course Fight Club was a satire that a lot of people just didn't pick up on. I don't think this is

I just really don't like the idea that

[Show spoiler] the joker got exactly what he wanted. the villain was rewarded for his anti-social behavior. it came off as something that WOULD ABSOLUTELY be inspirational to would be, uh, people of that nature. He goes to arkham asylum as a 'hero' having started a movement. that sucks. I would have liked for his plan to have backfired, he doesn't get what he want, and gets sent to arkhamm only to become even more bitter and homidical. that would have been a better origin story befitting of a deranged person. because as it stands, the message seems to be 'society sucks and people like this are a product of society (and if you fight against the man with violence you'll get glorified and adored)'. following that thought to it's logical conclusion, he is sort of a blameless victim of his circumstance, which is a REALLY shitty message

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

The problem being that of course Fight Club was a satire that a lot of people just didn't pick up on. I don't think this is

Fight Club has no subtly. I also personally think it's one of Finchers weaker film's.

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Fight Club has no subtly. I also personally think it's one of Finchers weaker film's.

Yeah, it's a very overt satire at that, but a lot of people still didn't get it, so imagine what'll happen with this film (where it's not even clear what the message is it's just kind of nihilistic)

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

The problem when you go down the misanthropic, anarchist route. Is that anyone typically older than 30 can view this tone as product of lacking maturation. Though being working class (good old Britain and it's utterly baffling class culture to outsiders) I'm confident in that respect I'll take something out of it.

I'm getting the distinct impression there's a real ugly kind of comedy it plays around with. The turning of the mirror in on yourself, realizing you are product of a society, an environment you exercise very little control over as an individual. The Joker represents the vicurious embodiment of that.

I think you'll really like this Gotham. Much of it is spent among the working poor and it doesn't glamorize them or their circumstances.

Originally Posted by Rusty100

The problem being that of course Fight Club was a satire that a lot of people just didn't pick up on. I don't think this is

Fight Club was far more ambitious than this with lots of commentary on consumerism, gender identity, pop psychology and violence in general. Joker OTOH is basically a character study masquerading as a comic book movie. I suppose in that regard the more accurate comparison as far a 'irresponsible' filmmaking goes would be Taxi Driver. But that was before my time whereas I do remember people totally missing the point when they went after Fight Club and I see some are already shouting 'Fire!' after seeing Joker (not you btw, I think some of your analogies are spot on).

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

Yeah, it's a very overt satire at that, but a lot of people still didn't get it, so imagine what'll happen with this film (where it's not even clear what the message is it's just kind of nihilistic)

I more think it's likely to result in more T-Shirt sales than shootings.

This is why schools all over the Western world need more education on visual artforms in the curriculum.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

The problem being that of course Fight Club was a satire that a lot of people just didn't pick up on. I don't think this is

I just really don't like the idea that

[Show spoiler] the joker got exactly what he wanted. it came off as something that WOULD ABSOLUTELY be inspirational to would be, uh, people of that nature. He goes to arkham asylum as a 'hero' having started a movement. that sucks. I would have liked for his plan to have backfired, he doesn't get what he want, and gets sent to arkhamm only to become even more bitter and homidical. that would have been a better origin story befitting of a deranged person. because as it stands, the message seems to be 'society sucks and people like this are a product of society (and if you fight against the man with violence you'll get glorified and adored)'. following that thought to it's logical conclusion, he is sort of a blameless victim of his circumstance, which is a REALLY shitty message

Two things I will say about the ending

[Show spoiler]first is my interpretation of it is Joker realizes he has created his nemesis and ultimate downfall when he thinks of a joke and has a vision of Bruce in the alley, so it isn’t a positive ending for him. And the other is given the unreliable narrator nature of the story/character (we already know the stuff with the “girlfriend” was imagined) and the context of that last scene, you could argue the whole film and Joker origin in it was a delusion

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

I think you'll really like this Gotham. Much of it is spent among the working poor and it doesn't glamorize them or their circumstances.

I'm going to laugh my butt off I find any nods to British social realism. It's always hilarious when you notice an American film taking inspiration from the likes of Ken Loach.

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion this might have a little dash of Mike Leigh, Naked to be exact.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by xbs2034

Two things I will say about the ending

[Show spoiler]first is my interpretation of it is Joker realizes he has created his nemesis and ultimate downfall when he thinks of a joke and has a vision of Bruce in the alley, so it isn’t a positive ending for him. And the other is given the unreliable narrator nature of the story/character (we already know the stuff with the “girlfriend” was imagined) and the context of that last scene, you could argue the whole film and Joker origin in it was a delusion

Yup, no idea how much one should take at face value from the ending. I was very happy when it was revealed that his

[Show spoiler]romantic relationship was pure fantasy

as I had been thinking that arc was incredibly unrealistic until that moment.

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

Yup, no idea how much one should take at face value from the ending. I was very happy when it was revealed that his

[Show spoiler]romantic relationship was pure fantasy

as I had been thinking that arc was incredibly unrealistic until that moment.

I don't want to sound like that guy but I did think that was super obvious. From

[Show spoiler]the first time he was walking with her in public I thought "oh, this is in his head isn't it?".

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

I don't want to sound like that guy but I did think that was super obvious. From

[Show spoiler]the first time he was walking with her in public I thought "oh, this is in his head isn't it?".

One would hope so but I wasn't sure how much credit to give the film at that point. I don't put it past Hollywood to shoehorn a love interest into a film about a homicidal clown.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

DAY F*CKING ONE.

Just got out of the a 4PM IMAX showing and this is everything I hoped for and more. Both the film and Phoenix incorporate elements of Ledger's and Nicholson's Jokers but this feels totally fresh and relevant. Love how they portrayed the Waynes here. References to Taxi Driver, Death Wish and Network for fans of that era's movies of this type. Also a direct reference to the Batman '89 portrayal of the

[Show spoiler]murder of the Wayne parents

.

Plastered all over my cinema's front doors:

You missed mentioning the very obvious homages to Martin Scorsese's The King of Comedy with Bobby DeNiro even having a role in The Joker as a similar variety show host to Jerry Lewis in said movie.

The Joker is very, very meta.