Twilight Time Discussion Thread

[HyperRealist]

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

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If those caps are even accurate (and I'm still not convinced), then in this case, the HD colorist(s) made the correct choice. Zombies shouldn't look that pink and robust. Nor should it look like a good afternoon to wash the truck.

[Seymour]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

If those caps are even accurate (and I'm still not convinced), then in this case, the HD colorist(s) made the correct choice. Zombies shouldn't look that pink and robust. Nor should it look like a good afternoon to wash the truck.

I don't know. It's not like the BD is a little darker--it's a massive difference.

[Blu Titan]

To my surprise I received NOTLD today to complete my TT trifecta for this week. They are sealed for now, but not for long:

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[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

If those caps are even accurate (and I'm still not convinced), then in this case, the HD colorist(s) made the correct choice. Zombies shouldn't look that pink and robust. Nor should it look like a good afternoon to wash the truck.

I think it should not be up to HD colorists to decide to make that change (if it indeed has been changed from the original theatrical presentation/director's intent). I am in no way implying the the colors in the DVD are correct, but a clarification is needed. Yes, I did see this film in theaters in 1990, but I do not remember what the film looked like. There are also reports from reliable members detailing other issues with the transfer. I will see for myself tonight.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I think it should not be up to HD colorists to decide to make that change (if it indeed has been changed from the original theatrical presentation/director's intent). I am in no way implying the the colors in the DVD are correct, but a clarification is needed.

Oh I agree Blu, which was why I alluded to those other sources (e.g. From Savini? Or Romero?) in my previous post regarding the gamma and colour balance choices here. As you say, the HD colorist on this gig would only be following their instructions, which is as it should be.

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Yes, I did see this film in theaters in 1990, but I do not remember what the film looked like.

I'm in the same boat. I haven't seen this since opening weekend...not on VHS...not on DVD...not even on LD. So I have no useful point of comparison for that aspect of this discussion. However, I have read over the years that Savini was never happy with the original transfer...feeling the film looked too too "warm" and "sunny" for a zombie movie. So the colour choices for this transfer - regardless who's right about its merits/faults - might have been the result of Savini's own preferences.

I don't know though. Don't have my disc yet. Still asking questions more than anything...

[bgart13]

I do recall interviews with Savini and the fx people that the look they wanted for the corpses was to be based on realistic images of dead people - yellow, green, pale, etc. Don't know if that is affected in this at all (out of town right now, will be back later tonigh and will watch it then hopefully). No recollection about the way he wanted it to look overall though.

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by bgart13

I do recall interviews with Savini and the fx people that the look they wanted for the corpses was to be based on realistic images of dead people - yellow, green, pale, etc. Don't know if that is affected in this at all (out of town right now, will be back later tonigh and will watch it then hopefully). No recollection about the way he wanted it to look overall though.

Where I live, I'll be lucky to see this by even next Saturday bgart13, which is why I'm following this debate with interest.

Still having a hard time though reconciling the extremes of opinion here...or those caps.

[HyperRealist]

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[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

If those caps are even accurate (and I'm still not convinced), then in this case, the HD colorist(s) made the correct choice. Zombies shouldn't look that pink and robust. Nor should it look like a good afternoon to wash the truck.

Just wow..

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by roclockck

if those caps are even accurate (and i'm still not convinced), then in this case, the hd colorist(s) made the correct choice. Zombies shouldn't look that pink and robust. Nor should it look like a good afternoon to wash the truck.

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[jebhdb]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Just wow..

I couldn't believe what I was reading either.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

Yeah, I'm wondering the same. The BD doesn't even appear to have more detail than the DVD in those shots.

I will view it tonight....

I have directly compared the new BD to the older Sony DVD. There is vastly more detail and actual resolution visible on the BD. Implying this is an upscale is simply wrong and will lead uninformed people astray.

[LucasM2012]

I'm curious if anyone's actually asked Screen Archives/Twilight Time about the differences?

Perhaps there's a reasonable explanation (as Clark Kent pointed out that "There is vastly more detail and actual resolution visible on the BD").

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by LucasM2012

I'm curious if anyone's actually asked Twilight Time about the differences?

Perhaps there's a reasonable explanation (as Clark Kent pointed out that "There is vastly more detail and actual resolution visible on the BD").

TT is well aware of the issue. Just look at their facebook page. Basically, they have no idea who approved the changes nor do they seem to care. At this point they just have speculations ...

Twilight Time DVD Label
Appreciate that Justin, and American Madness is the perfect metaphor...the NOTLD transfer is completely in keeping with Sony's traditional high specifications. If the film has had its color or brightness changed in any way, that was most likely at the filmmakers' request...they are usually asked to sign off on the transfers...

Twilight Time DVD Label
It seems that the Sony tech team and the filmmakers preferred a closer match to dusk and night.

Twilight Time DVD Label
Nope, no problem.

Twilight Time DVD Label
Well, the Blu-ray is an accurate representation of the transfer...obviously things like bright/dark levels are utterly subjective. The transfer was undoubtedly approved by the filmmakers.

Twilight Time DVD Label
It may be that the filmmakers felt the day-for night shots work better darker...

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I have directly compared the new BD to the older Sony DVD. There is vastly more detail and actual resolution visible on the BD. Implying this is an upscale is simply wrong and will lead uninformed people astray.

Everything is blue, even Tony Tood is blue. I do not have a problem with the resolution but there is a problem with this. No way this is the way this film is supposed to look...very, very distracting and dark to the point where detail is lost.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I have directly compared the new BD to the older Sony DVD. There is vastly more detail and actual resolution visible on the BD. Implying this is an upscale is simply wrong and will lead uninformed people astray.

That's why I said "in those shots", because didn't see it for myself yet. Now that I'm watching it, yes, there is better resolution/detail. And the blue isn't as intense as in that comparison above, but it's there.

[Clark Kent]

People do realize the events preceding Barbara entering the house are supposed to occur at dusk? Without going into filming specifics, there is a process called day-for-night shooting. You film the scene in the day with full light, but the final product is intended to be seen by the viewer as a shot taking place in the night. Hollywood has been doing it that way for decades.

It looks to me like the color timing changes got a little too aggressive in properly correcting the day-for-night shots, when they weren't corrected at all for the original DVD transfer. That leads to the massive differences in available light to the image.

[LucasM2012]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

TT is well aware of the issue. Just look at their facebook page. Basically, they have no idea who approved the changes nor do they seem to care. At this point they just have speculations.

I wonder if Savini or Romero have commented on the BD transfer?

[I have medical issues that result in a tendency to get easily overwhelmed, so almost never visit Facebook, or any other social networking. I ask not only for myself, but since there is so much speculation here, it seems 'bringing it here' would help a lot of people.]

It is unfortunate that - since there's limited or no extras - they didn't use the extra space on the disc to put both corrected and original versions.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

People do realize the events preceding Barbara entering the house are supposed to occur at dusk? Without going into filming specifics, there is a process called day-for-night shooting. You film the scene in the day with full light, but the final product is intended to be seen by the viewer as a shot taking place in the night. Hollywood has been doing it that way for decades.

It looks to me like the color timing changes got a little too aggressive in properly correcting the day-for-night shots, when they weren't corrected at all for the original DVD transfer. That leads to the massive differences in available light to the image.

I fully agree Clark. They just did not handled that transition correctly imo. The first five minutes are fine, then there's 20 minutes with the distracting blue tint. Then, as another member mentioned, at 27:50 the colors normalize starting with the scene that has a close-up of the girl's face in the bedroom. Looks very good after that and there's no problem with the audio whatsoever. I am going to rewind and watch the whole movie over.