4K Movies Releases

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Only on 15/70 film, not digital

They were 2d?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

Film-Tech forum reports that the DCP was 2K for both 2D and 3D.

A mayhem link I see they have posted over there on the projectionist forum….http://laist.com/2015/12/18/video_st...s_freakout.php

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Any word yet on whether Force Awakens did actually get a 4K finish? *waits for someone to post the IMDB link again*

There should be no such K finishing/D-Cinema deliverable consternation with regards to Terrence Malick’s Knight of Cups –

Knight of Cups Official Trailer #1 (2015) - Christian Bale, Natalie Portman Movie HD - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Robert, since you’re appreciative and cognizant of high quality, later on (it’s somewhere in my other computer), I’ll post an exclusive image which was forwarded to me with regards to a part of the human visual system where there are crossing nerve fibers from both eyes (http://nn.cs.utexas.edu/web-pubs/bed...sis/node6.html)

And which is not included in the public gallery - http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/gallery/

As promised:



To better visualize the concept, think eyeballs at the top of the pic, nerve fibers from both optic nerves meeting and then crossing predominately to opposite sides of da brain (at the bottom of the pic).

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

Film-Tech forum reports that the DCP was 2K for both 2D and 3D.

What about the Dolby Vision (HDR) version?


Wasn't it Tomorrowland that had a 4K pass with the standard version being 2K?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

They were 2d?

Yes, the 15/70 versions are 2D only. [edit] That's basically why there was such a push for the 2K digital 3D projection, even in places that were perfectly suited for the dual reel 15/70 3D system: cost. Seems kinda petty when the movie stands to have the biggest US opening weekend of all time, but what can you do? The 15/70 versions seem to have been a stop gap, wheeled out at IMAX venues that have no digital 3D projector and certainly no laser system either. That's why the Science Museum in London got a print (no digital 3D install) and the BFI IMAX (with digital 3D) did not. Neither have laser, of course.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

What about the Dolby Vision (HDR) version?


Wasn't it Tomorrowland that had a 4K pass with the standard version being 2K?

I thought Tomorrowland was finished in 4K from bow to stern and exhibited as such outside of DV venues? Wasn't it The Martian that someone said was 4K for the DV engagement while the 2D/3D DCP was, naturally, 2K?

[Scorpion Soldier]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I thought Tomorrowland was finished in 4K from bow to stern and exhibited as such outside of DV venues? Wasn't it The Martian that someone said was 4K for the DV engagement while the 2D/3D DCP was, naturally, 2K?

I believe this is the case, along with the fact that Tomorrowland only had a 2D version.

[Geoff D]

Exactly, the lack of 3D meant that the regular DCP for Tomorrowland woulda been 4K no matter what...right?

[Robert Zohn]

I have Sony's VPL-VW665ES new 4K projector that is capable of HDR, and rec 2020 color and we have it properly set-up in our store demo theater and we enjoy showing it to many of our clients. Everyone is amazed at the color fidelity and extreme contrast that has never been seen before on any display.

We also have HDR10 content graded for rec 2020 color. One thing that must be done to properly view this demo content is to manually select the rec 2020 color space and the HDR mode in the picture menu. Once mass produced content becomes available it will be encoded with META data that will automatically trigger the projector to select the correct color space and HDR format.

I would also love to hear Kris's opinions on his JVC/Sony HDR/WCG viewing party.

-Robert

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Kris, where’s the story of your ^ get together?..... which reminds me, I’m flummoxed as to whether the impression this article (http://www.lightillusion.com/hdr.html) by Light Illusion gives readers is an example of *a little bit of knowledge is dangerous* or represents a reflection of outright jealousy by Light Illusion to SpectraCal for being so far ahead of them in the HDR game.

For example, the following assertion is just ludicrous even if one knows absolutely nothing about the fovea, parafoveal or peripheral portion of the retina “To actually gain benefit from the concept of HDR the actual viewing angle the display would need to occupy would be in the order of 45°, which with an average large TV of 55" would means sitting just 65" from the screen.”

And the paragraph entitled “HDR – The reality & associated issues” starting out with the proclamation - “The biggest issue with HDR is that it can actually be painful to watch, due to what is often termed as excessive eye fatigue...” seems way overstated now that we have real world content where Ray’s buddies in the HDR sandbox on AVS are getting HDR boners rather than “excessive eye fatigue”…... http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...ted-often.html

I'm not writing a story about my trip to Spectracal, it was more for personal education and entertainment. I just read that article. Not sure what to make of some of it. It seems that most people think that the prime benefit of HDR is the specular highlights. They make this into an increase in dynamic range or contrast. It is true that HDR does give us the benefit of specular highlights but the true advantage I've seen and based on my conversations with Spectracal is the brightness of color. Because you have a much higher peak luminance it brings the ability of the display to show much higher luminance values for individual colors despite the overall image having about the same average picture level. This is where I saw the most benefit in my viewing.

There comment on screen size is a bit confusing but I think they were talking more about eye biasing. They were essentially saying the because the screen is such a small amount of the viewing area your eye's biasing is based more on the room and not the display, creating more of a static condition. It is an interesting idea as it would limit the dynamic range of your eye compared to a much larger screen or a room that was a black cave like mine. If the screen occupied more of the viewing area your eye would be less biased overall and would give you more dynamic range.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I have Sony's VPL-VW665ES new 4K projector that is capable of HDR, and rec 2020 color and we have it properly set-up in our store demo theater and we enjoy showing it to many of our clients. Everyone is amazed at the color fidelity and extreme contrast that has never been seen before on any display.

We also have HDR10 content graded for rec 2020 color. One thing that must be done to properly view this demo content is to manually select the rec 2020 color space and the HDR mode in the picture menu. Once mass produced content becomes available it will be encoded with META data that will automatically trigger the projector to select the correct color space and HDR format.

I would also love to hear Kris's opinions on his JVC/Sony HDR/WCG viewing party.

-Robert

damn I would love to see that. I need to investigate whether any of the HT stores in dallas have this set up.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I have Sony's VPL-VW665ES new 4K projector that is capable of HDR, and rec 2020 color and we have it properly set-up in our store demo theater and we enjoy showing it to many of our clients. Everyone is amazed at the color fidelity and extreme contrast that has never been seen before on any display.

We also have HDR10 content graded for rec 2020 color. One thing that must be done to properly view this demo content is to manually select the rec 2020 color space and the HDR mode in the picture menu. Once mass produced content becomes available it will be encoded with META data that will automatically trigger the projector to select the correct color space and HDR format.

I would also love to hear Kris's opinions on his JVC/Sony HDR/WCG viewing party.

-Robert

Glad you are enjoying Robert. Some thoughts on your Sony:

While the projector does indeed have a BT2020 mode, it only encompasses about 85% of the P3 color gamut and about 60% of true 2020. Better than 709, but not as impressive as the coverage available from Epson or JVC with their latest projectors. As for dynamic range, the HDR more does give you Sony's PQ curve, and it looks nice with the limited amount of HDR clips they have, but you're not getting any more dynamic range than you were before. You are seeing a bit of a bump in picture quality due to the increased gamut and some benefit on the capture side. HDR at the moment has no real benefit for front projection. You are not seeing any more contrast as the display has no more headroom than SDR content is capable of (100 nits). The only advantage to HDR compatibility with current projectors is that if HDR support is required to take advantage of the eventual UHD Blu-ray discs, at least we'll have a mode that supports it. But dynamic range and increased color luminance are not options with projectors.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

A mayhem link I see they have posted over there on the projectionist forum….http://laist.com/2015/12/18/video_st...s_freakout.php

http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f3/t004282.html

http://www.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb...6;t=002523;p=3

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I have Sony's VPL-VW665ES new 4K projector that is capable of HDR, and rec 2020 color and we have it properly set-up in our store demo theater and we enjoy showing it to many of our clients. Everyone is amazed at the color fidelity and extreme contrast that has never been seen before on any display.

We also have HDR10 content graded for rec 2020 color. One thing that must be done to properly view this demo content is to manually select the rec 2020 color space and the HDR mode in the picture menu. Once mass produced content becomes available it will be encoded with META data that will automatically trigger the projector to select the correct color space and HDR format.

I would also love to hear Kris's opinions on his JVC/Sony HDR/WCG viewing party.

-Robert

Have you decided if you will have the 120" Vizio R on display in your store yet? or just the 65? any idea when those demos will be available to you?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I'm not writing a story about my trip to Spectracal, it was more for personal education and entertainment....

I’m confused.

Plus, now you’ve got me a worried about me memory. Perhaps I should spend more time paying attention to the gamer dudes and dudettes (http://games.usc.edu/) and play that Recall game at the bottom of their latest news page….http://viterbi.usc.edu/news/news/201...b-showcase.htm which they’ve encouraged me to try out….. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6a...w?pref=2&pli=1

Kris, I was referring to you offering any feedback from the planned get-together you were having over at your house with something like 8-10 people some of whom were SpectrCal employees. Did I read that post wrong?....I think it's somewhere several pages back.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

There comment on screen size is a bit confusing but I think they were talking more about eye biasing. They were essentially saying the because the screen is such a small amount of the viewing area your eye's biasing is based more on the room and not the display, creating more of a static condition. It is an interesting idea as it would limit the dynamic range of your eye compared to a much larger screen or a room that was a black cave like mine. If the screen occupied more of the viewing area your eye would be less biased overall and would give you more dynamic range.

Well, notwithstanding Light Illusion’s BIG omission of not providing readers any law, model or plotted curve as a basis upon which they’re making that 45 degree assertion, my reservation is not so much with their introduction of the ‘idea’ (as they conceive it) regarding variation in light and dark adaptation with retinal eccentricity, (even though since the fovea and near parafovea are dominated by cones, a photopic or nearly photopic response would be expected even at low light levels where rods influence vision for far peripheral stimuli) but I was reacting more so to their extremist statement that “To actually gain benefit from the concept of HDR the actual viewing angle the display would need to occupy would be in the order of 45°, which with an average large TV of 55" would means sitting just 65" from the screen.” ….as if no benefit is gained if you sit further back from the screen.

Alternatively, if interested in portraying potential challenges with HDR and screen size, the illustration below is a more accountable way to present an idea, rather than flippantly throwing around numbers in a piece to fellow calibrators like they did with that 45 degree assertion.



Point being ^ Larger displays showcasing HDR may be expected to make flicker more noticeable when considering Ferry-Porter law in conjunction to the above.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

It seems that most people think that the prime benefit of HDR is the specular highlights. They make this into an increase in dynamic range or contrast. It is true that HDR does give us the benefit of specular highlights but the true advantage I've seen and based on my conversations with Spectracal is the brightness of color.....

I agree , they ignored color being an important attribute of HDR….alternatively, we’ve covered that here on Blu-ray.com with illustration…. nearly a ½ year ago .

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

What about the Dolby Vision (HDR) version?


Wasn't it Tomorrowland that had a 4K pass with the standard version being 2K?

That's how I understand it

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yes, the 15/70 versions are 2D only. [edit] That's basically why there was such a push for the 2K digital 3D projection, even in places that were perfectly suited for the dual reel 15/70 3D system: cost. Seems kinda petty when the movie stands to have the biggest US opening weekend of all time, but what can you do? The 15/70 versions seem to have been a stop gap, wheeled out at IMAX venues that have no digital 3D projector and certainly no laser system either. That's why the Science Museum in London got a print (no digital 3D install) and the BFI IMAX (with digital 3D) did not. Neither have laser, of course.

I am starting to think there was a 4k+ master for 2d

[Opips3]

Please give me HDR I'll use this

lol