List of International BDs with Better PQ, AQ, and/or More Extras

[Jompa]

Originally Posted by wesslan

On such old movies I'm not sure 24 vs 16-bit depth qualifies as "Best AQ" but that is just my opinion. For all we know the master could be 16 bit and padded 24. For PQ we always have screenshot proof before stating one better than the other.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't it only until the late 90's early 00 when they started mixing the audio in 24-bit?

[Kryptonic]

I'm still not sure which Red Heat looks better. The UK version is clearly very noisy, but the U.S. version has a lot of DNR applied to it that doesn't rear it's head in screenshots. I would say the UK release looks closer to how the film probably looked theatrically.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Jompa

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't it only until the late 90's early 00 when they started mixing the audio in 24-bit?

That's how I remember it

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Jompa

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't it only until the late 90's early 00 when they started mixing the audio in 24-bit?

Originally Posted by dvdmike

That's how I remember it

More like the mid aughts ('00s).


Even then there were still 16-bit elements in the chain.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by wesslan

On such old movies I'm not sure 24 vs 16-bit depth qualifies as "Best AQ" but that is just my opinion. For all we know the master could be 16 bit and padded 24. For PQ we always have screenshot proof before stating one better than the other.

Older movies are going to be analog, with a movie like Red Heat having Dolby SR printmasters as the source. When they digitized them, hopefully they went straight to 24-bit PCM, otherwise the lossless tracks may very well just be padded zeros from 16-bit masters.

[HD Goofnut]

Added The Psychic.

[wesslan]

I think we talked about this movie before but didn't find it now on the list and the JP disc clearly have better compression so here it is again:

Chronicles of Riddick, The (Directors cut)

US - VC-1 14009 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 4364 kbps 24-bit (Region free) Best AQ
JP - AVC 29661 kbps, Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1691 kbps 16-bit, no eng subs Best PQ

JP is Sony with higher bitrate of the same transfer against US Universal and one of the lowest bitrates ever. On bigger screens there will be a bigger difference.

JP http://someimage.com/nTfaUvC
US http://someimage.com/hfw6otp
JP http://someimage.com/ynBuS0I
US http://someimage.com/WdNNHx9

Compare his head as example on the last shots

JP http://someimage.com/NQurh4j
US http://someimage.com/KZ1t5fb

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by wesslan

On such old movies I'm not sure 24 vs 16-bit depth qualifies as "Best AQ" but that is just my opinion. For all we know the master could be 16 bit and padded 24. For PQ we always have screenshot proof before stating one better than the other.

I've wondered this as well and not just with 16 vs 24 bit. I've wondered, especially on some of the cheaper releases if it isn't just standard lossy upconverted. I mean when you see how little care some transfer gets it makes me wonder if they even really upgrade the sound at all.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

I've wondered this as well and not just with 16 vs 24 bit. I've wondered, especially on some of the cheaper releases if it isn't just standard lossy upconverted. I mean when you see how little care some transfer gets it makes me wonder if they even really upgrade the sound at all.

I have also thought this.

There is little to no information with regards to the source of audio tracks, that I wouldn't be surprised if low quality maybe even lossy sources are used and then just encoded using a lossless format.

Which is why releases with PCM tracks, you can pretty much guarantee its the original audio.

Its a bit different if the film is an older film, i.e. no digital audio file exists, one needs to go back to the analog master tapes or get the audio from a release print/audio film print.

Perhaps someone could shed more light on this matter?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by wesslan

I think we talked about this movie before but didn't find it now on the list and the JP disc clearly have better compression so here it is again:

Chronicles of Riddick, The (Directors cut)

US - VC-1 14009 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 4364 kbps 24-bit (Region free) Best AQ
JP - AVC 29661 kbps, Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1691 kbps 16-bit, no eng subs Best PQ

JP is Sony with higher bitrate of the same transfer against US Universal and one of the lowest bitrates ever. On bigger screens there will be a bigger difference.

JP http://someimage.com/nTfaUvC
US http://someimage.com/hfw6otp
JP http://someimage.com/ynBuS0I
US http://someimage.com/WdNNHx9

Compare his head as example on the last shots

JP http://someimage.com/NQurh4j
US http://someimage.com/KZ1t5fb

Done.

Does the JP disc have the theatrical cut?

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Done.

Does the JP disc have the theatrical cut?

No only dir cut which is the best version and why I put the () in

[Sky_Captain]

It looks virtually indistinguishable in motion. I own it

As mentioned here:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=6660

[dvdmike]

Johnny mnemonic, is the Jp disc the only version with the director's cut?
And not with English subtitles?

[Kristian Idol]

Missing Arrow's Bound (UK)

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Kristian Idol

Missing Arrow's Bound (UK)

Done.

[HD Goofnut]

Mother of Tears updated. The AT blows away the FR disc for PQ and AQ it seems. http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...less=1#auswahl

[Pieter V]

In Her Shoes
US - No release
DE/FR/ES - AVC 28076 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 3600 kbps 24-bit (Region free)

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...D=2176#auswahl

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

In Her Shoes
US - No release
DE/FR/ES - AVC 28076 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 3600 kbps 24-bit (Region free)

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...D=2176#auswahl

Done.

[Jompa]

Update. Bolded are new:

City of Ember
US - No release
UK - VC-1 19981 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 2239 kbps 16-bit, English subs (Region B locked)
DE - VC-1 19973 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 2029 kbps 16-bit, English subs (Region free)
AU - AVC 1080i50, 24985 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 16-bit, English subs
FR - AVC 25969 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 2044 kbps 16-bit, French subs (Region B locked)

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Jompa

Update. Bolded are new:

City of Ember
US - No release
UK - VC-1 19981 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 2239 kbps 16-bit, English subs (Region B locked)
DE - VC-1 19973 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 2029 kbps 16-bit, English subs (Region free)
AU - AVC 1080i50, 24985 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 16-bit, English subs
FR - AVC 25969 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 2044 kbps 16-bit, French subs (Region B locked)

Done.