List of International BDs with Better PQ, AQ, and/or More Extras

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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     TTA2
Disc Size:      24,269,294,592 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 1:48:42.616 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   16,599,151,104 bytes
Total Bitrate:          20.36 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        18987 kbps          480i / 29.970 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:48:42.616     16,599,151,104  20,359          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:04:20.760     17,969 kbps     30,893 kbps     00:00:24.591    28,438 kbps     00:01:39.399    24,336 kbps     00:02:59.479    74,935 bytes    258,741 bytes   00:03:30.210    
2               0:04:20.760     0:04:39.545     19,826 kbps     35,946 kbps     00:06:29.956    25,779 kbps     00:04:34.607    24,789 kbps     00:04:31.104    82,683 bytes    253,350 bytes   00:05:13.212    
3               0:09:00.306     0:06:23.483     19,768 kbps     34,440 kbps     00:14:12.985    25,532 kbps     00:10:29.195    23,949 kbps     00:10:26.225    82,457 bytes    252,358 bytes   00:09:32.305    
4               0:15:23.789     0:04:40.446     19,261 kbps     29,895 kbps     00:19:39.311    23,575 kbps     00:19:38.610    21,310 kbps     00:15:58.724    80,323 bytes    213,677 bytes   00:19:39.077    
5               0:20:04.236     0:05:08.508     19,195 kbps     27,457 kbps     00:25:06.805    22,703 kbps     00:25:02.901    20,867 kbps     00:20:45.110    80,060 bytes    192,337 bytes   00:20:30.929    
6               0:25:12.744     0:04:47.587     19,189 kbps     32,063 kbps     00:26:20.779    28,633 kbps     00:26:45.770    26,099 kbps     00:26:43.935    80,043 bytes    205,515 bytes   00:30:00.198    
7               0:30:00.331     0:04:52.992     19,273 kbps     37,344 kbps     00:30:00.331    27,127 kbps     00:30:00.331    21,925 kbps     00:30:20.485    80,376 bytes    205,768 bytes   00:30:00.465    
8               0:34:53.324     0:04:57.163     19,366 kbps     30,506 kbps     00:39:49.487    23,754 kbps     00:34:53.424    23,099 kbps     00:34:53.391    80,774 bytes    225,821 bytes   00:39:50.488    
9               0:39:50.488     0:06:00.293     19,321 kbps     35,792 kbps     00:41:28.853    25,588 kbps     00:41:28.686    22,073 kbps     00:40:31.429    80,584 bytes    219,225 bytes   00:41:28.986    
10              0:45:50.781     0:04:02.275     19,267 kbps     27,050 kbps     00:48:06.416    21,892 kbps     00:48:06.416    20,986 kbps     00:48:06.416    80,369 bytes    195,588 bytes   00:48:06.583    
11              0:49:53.056     0:03:38.685     19,280 kbps     26,840 kbps     00:50:15.779    21,604 kbps     00:50:13.577    20,697 kbps     00:51:42.099    80,412 bytes    188,614 bytes   00:50:42.372    
12              0:53:31.741     0:04:41.648     19,265 kbps     29,031 kbps     00:57:15.398    22,477 kbps     00:57:14.998    21,024 kbps     00:56:57.981    80,343 bytes    210,426 bytes   00:57:27.510    
13              0:58:13.389     0:07:35.788     19,270 kbps     31,079 kbps     01:00:25.021    25,049 kbps     01:00:24.854    23,044 kbps     01:00:20.149    80,372 bytes    212,992 bytes   01:00:37.667    
14              1:05:49.178     0:04:59.065     19,258 kbps     26,212 kbps     01:08:05.915    21,663 kbps     01:08:05.815    20,552 kbps     01:07:52.902    80,332 bytes    189,392 bytes   01:06:40.363    
15              1:10:48.244     0:04:24.397     19,280 kbps     27,350 kbps     01:10:50.646    22,888 kbps     01:10:48.277    21,506 kbps     01:10:57.319    80,414 bytes    192,567 bytes   01:10:59.054    
16              1:15:12.641     0:04:33.873     19,280 kbps     27,166 kbps     01:18:12.354    22,096 kbps     01:18:12.087    20,630 kbps     01:18:09.651    80,414 bytes    186,663 bytes   01:16:12.668    
17              1:19:46.515     0:05:23.456     19,274 kbps     28,405 kbps     01:23:26.234    22,570 kbps     01:23:46.321    20,761 kbps     01:23:41.316    80,387 bytes    186,670 bytes   01:23:26.468    
18              1:25:09.971     0:04:22.328     19,254 kbps     27,668 kbps     01:28:42.283    21,466 kbps     01:26:56.444    20,486 kbps     01:28:58.633    80,306 bytes    235,247 bytes   01:27:48.363    
19              1:29:32.300     0:07:26.612     19,297 kbps     29,441 kbps     01:34:03.204    22,749 kbps     01:35:00.027    21,102 kbps     01:34:53.554    80,479 bytes    216,629 bytes   01:33:54.161    
20              1:36:58.913     0:11:43.702     16,623 kbps     30,308 kbps     01:38:13.020    23,029 kbps     01:42:07.321    22,186 kbps     01:42:00.647    69,340 bytes    214,517 bytes   01:40:27.454    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     6522.549                18,987                  15,480,648,823  84,251,475      
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6522.549                192                     156,541,440     1,019,150       
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6522.549                182                     148,190,976     964,785

[Tuco_76]

Originally Posted by samdvd1

There are currently 15 team members from around the world (UK, New Zealand, US, Finland, France, Holland, Japan) all of whom donate their spare time going through some often soul destroying tasks

Yeah man, I really feel that

I'd be more than happy to look at the corrections if you get the chance to e-mail them.

Done.

[Show spoiler]- Blu-ray ALL America - Magnolia Home Entertainment / Magnet

- change: 24fps -> 23,976
- add extra: BD Live


- Blu-ray B UK:

change: 1080i -> 1080p
(not sure about else, hidden by now)


- Blu-ray B Germany - Kinowelt

- change: AVC -> VC-1
- change: 24fps -> 23,976fps

Originally Posted by wesslan

Wow never even seen a 720p blu-ray??

I'd bet you've seen even 480p/i, don't forget your extras

[Tuco_76]

@ HD Goofnut: Update

Originally Posted by Tuco_76

Fall, The
US - AVC, 27,31 Mbps, Dolby TrueHD 5.1, uncut, extras, 2x commentary, English +English SDH subs (Region free) Best PQ
JP - AVC, DTS-HD MA 5.1, cut, more extras, English subs (Region free)
DE - VC-1, 18.00 Mbps, DTS-HD MA 1561 kbps 16-bit, uncut, less extras, 2x commentary, English subs (Region A, B)

Has anyone precise info about PQ / bitrate of the JP disc ?
I'm pretty sure US has better or same PQ, anyways JP being cut makes that disc not an option for fans anyway.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

What about the Australian release of "Splash". The release has 2 user reviews on here that couldn't be more different regarding the PQ.
I can't seem to find any other reviews online.

Who has this title, and what are the technical merrits really like?

Also:

Gladiator
US (Remastered) - AVC 23109 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 4404 kbps 24-bit, English subs (Region A locked)
DE - AVC 17685 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 4408 kbps 24-bit, English subs (Region free) Best PQ

How so, if I may ask?

[Geoff D]

If you look at the stills on capsaholic, the US version manages to look noisier and blockier than the Euro encode even though it's got 35% higher bitrate. I doubt it makes a difference in motion whatsoever, but that Euro version is still an absolute masterpiece of an encode. And to think, it came from Uni-****ing-versal.

[Tuco_76]

Originally Posted by wesslan

Less banding

And don't take my word for it

http://someimage.com/kIRJuQ0

http://someimage.com/YYYif6o

It's horrible

http://someimage.com/NaH1XEt

http://someimage.com/GMTQHEe

Using stills from the start- or end credits doesn't really say much in a PQ comparison. They are often encoded at way lower quality settings, that's why you'll find often banding, blocking, artefakting, softness etc. within these frame zones, that do not at all -or much weaker- bear the actual movie.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Tuco_76

Using stills from the start- or end credits doesn't really say much in a PQ comparison. They are often encoded at way lower quality settings, that's why you'll find often banding, blocking, artefakting, softness etc. within these frame zones, that do not at all -or much weaker- bear the actual movie.

It's a Lionsgate release, they usually have trouble with banding on dark scenes in general. But it seems to be something which passes a lot of people by, probably because their player and/or display is adding extra dithering or oversampling to the image, although some folks can't even spot it on blatant still-frame examples so perhaps it's like the old arguments about EE: certain peoples just can't see it.

Don't get me wrong, if something like this can be corrected by the user then that's a good result, but it shouldn't be encoded so sloppily in the first place.

[Tuco_76]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's a Lionsgate release, they usually have trouble with banding on dark scenes in general.

Don't get me wrong, if something like this can be corrected by the user then that's a good result, but it shouldn't be encoded so sloppily in the first place.

Yeah I'm aware of that Lionsgate issue, I read your postings EDIT: most carefully ..my point was merely that start and end credits should not be choosen for PQ comparison, *generally*.
It's not uncommon that credits are encoded with a different zone setting, encoders provide that option and it's used, to an extent.

The "faint microblocking" in Interstellar is, at least for me, only noticeable in the start credits, I really didn't trty to spot it though. IMO, the creds are just no good for a PQ comparison, but each their own, next thing they come up with, softness in stills from the end creds

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If you look at the stills on capsaholic, the US version manages to look noisier and blockier than the Euro encode even though it's got 35% higher bitrate. I doubt it makes a difference in motion whatsoever, but that Euro version is still an absolute masterpiece of an encode. And to think, it came from Uni-****ing-versal.

Without the extras we could have had x2 that bitrate But I guess next time will be 4K blu-ray

[HD Goofnut]

Added Midnight Run.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If you look at the stills on capsaholic, the US version manages to look noisier and blockier than the Euro encode even though it's got 35% higher bitrate. I doubt it makes a difference in motion whatsoever, but that Euro version is still an absolute masterpiece of an encode. And to think, it came from Uni-****ing-versal.

I see. Thanks, mate. I might get the UK Digibook of Gladitor sometime soon then.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's a Lionsgate release, they usually have trouble with banding on dark scenes in general. But it seems to be something which passes a lot of people by, probably because their player and/or display is adding extra dithering or oversampling to the image, although some folks can't even spot it on blatant still-frame examples so perhaps it's like the old arguments about EE: certain peoples just can't see it.

Don't get me wrong, if something like this can be corrected by the user then that's a good result, but it shouldn't be encoded so sloppily in the first place.

I wish I was like that. That's the single most annoying artifact about BD encoeds for me. I just watched Stargate, and the dessert storm sequence in particular had quite a bit of banding. It's also a Lionsgate release. Hm.
I hate banding. It makes the movie look so cheap.
Gladly BD can be "perfect", and banding is not always a problem.

[IndyMLVC]

Specs for Sky Captain DE disc

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=50

[Tuco_76]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Specs for Sky Captain DE disc

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=50

You sure it's locked? It's listed reg. free in OFDb database

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Missing the 'hardcoded" subs is a big failure. These are no normal subs, but comic style. The director wanted it in the movie. NO/SE/FI/DK are stripping it.

Btw do yo have the running time, of that last picture?

You don't need to hardcode subtitles at all. BluRay's support PGS/SUP subtitles. Which are perfectly able to display styled subtitles.

More NOR vs USA John Wick.

[Tuco_76]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But it seems to be something which passes a lot of people by, probably because their player and/or display is adding extra dithering or oversampling to the image (..)

Right, it's incredible how much some devices alter the picture. On my Samsung LED TV via USB, the internal SW uses every pic *improvement*/ filtering they could get hold of. It's denoised, EE'd, contrast/saturation messed up, and also banding is next to invisible, prolly due to what you mentioned.

Also many GPUs are using defaults just alike, I wonder if all that's for boosting home videos or maybe it's just the default matter of taste

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I see. Thanks, mate. I might get the UK Digibook of Gladitor sometime soon then.



I wish I was like that. That's the single most annoying artifact about BD encoeds for me. I just watched Stargate, and the dessert storm sequence in particular had quite a bit of banding. It's also a Lionsgate release. Hm.
I hate banding. It makes the movie look so cheap.
Gladly BD can be "perfect", and banding is not always a problem.

Lionsgate yeah. I thought I spotted a bit of banding in Transcendence (UK disc) when I watched it recently. Not to mention the black crush a la Fury. PQ for the most part was excellent though.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Tuco_76

You sure it's locked? It's listed reg. free in OFDb database

I tried it on two different PS3's. Neither one would play it. I never got a screen coming up that says "this disc...blah blah blah." It just spits it out after several tries. However, I tried it on my HTPC with anydvd and it works fine so it's not the disc itself.

I will also say that there's no mention of a region on the artwork. of course, that doesn't mean that there IS a coding...but it also doesn't mean that there isn't.

[NLScavenger]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I tried it on two different PS3's. Neither one would play it. I never got a screen coming up that says "this disc...blah blah blah." It just spits it out after several tries. However, I tried it on my HTPC with anydvd and it works fine so it's not the disc itself.

If the PS3 rejects the disc it could mean the disc shows 50hz content immediately at the start and region A PS3's cannot play 50hz video content. It could still mean the disc is region free. Something similar happens on the region free German Tampopo disc on a region A PS3. It will show a few logo's upon startup and then the PS3 rejects the disc because of 50Hz content.

Strangely enough region A PS3 consoles can play downloadable PAL 50HZ PSOne classics without an issue. It's really sad that Sony never fixed 50hz Blu-ray playback on region A PS3 consoles.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

If the PS3 rejects the disc it could mean the disc shows 50hz content immediately at the start and region A PS3's cannot play 50hz video content. It could still mean the disc is region free. Something similar happens on the region free German Tampopo disc on a region A PS3. It will show a few logo's upon startup and then the PS3 rejects the disc because of 50Hz content.

Strangely enough region A PS3 consoles can play downloadable PAL 50HZ PSOne classics without an issue. It's really sad that Sony never fixed 50hz Blu-ray playback on region A PS3 consoles.

Ahhh...THAT is possible. Is there any way to skip that? Any work-around?

[NLScavenger]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Ahhh...THAT is possible. Is there any way to skip that? Any work-around?

It probably won't work but you could try to pause the disc immediately upon playback, hit triangle button and use the "Go To" function to change title or chapter.