List of International BDs with Better PQ, AQ, and/or More Extras

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by Torrente

I think wesslan is talking about the damage in the print (the white speck on the left)

Yes but what does it mean? Because the image doesn't appear to be stretched and the detail is the same but the color timing is warmer.

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Yes but what does it mean? Because the image doesn't appear to be stretched and the detail is the same but the color timing is warmer.

Did you see my link? Mouse over and on ES cap the round shape is vertically stretched meaning something bad is going on with the transfer.

You can also check his right shoulder for the extra EE lines.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by wesslan

Don't own Hannibal but it's the same transfer but much better bitrate so if you have a very large screen you will see the difference. Also it got some exclusive extras in HD if I remember correct. It's still very expensive though

Halloween is a mess. If you got the money to spend you could add diffrent editions from around the world to make the best possible boxset but if you want something easier then buy the US boxset. No version in there is "a lot" worse than others.

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I bought the Japanese disc of Hannibal earlier in the year. When I received it I compared the first few minutes (before the opening credits) to the corrected UK/AU disc, in the opening scene the framing is difference between the two versions:


UK

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Japanese

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Originally Posted by Ben_R

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I must admit I prefer the look of opening scene on the JP release. Is that the only difference? Can you confirm the AR specs on this site are correct.

Originally Posted by Cevolution

They are both the same aspect ratio, 1.85:1, the framing is just different between the two releases, at least in the opening scene (I haven't bothered to check past the first scene on the Japanese disc so I can't speak for the remainder of the film). As far as I'm aware the framing of the corrected UK/AU disc is practically accurate, but perhaps Sky_Captain can chime in, because I know he was involved in discovering the silent fix.

Edit: I'm sure you are aware, but in case you are not, those photos I took (with my phone) are not of the entire screen, they are only close-ups of a section, just to demonstrate the differences in framing at the top of the image.

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

So the Japanese one is missing the top part then - similar to the old UK release (not the corrected one)?

Originally Posted by Cevolution

When I took the photos I posted yesterday I didn't have time to go over the rest of the Japanese disc, however I did see a small portion of the opening credits. The framing for the opening credits on the Japanese disc appeared to match the U.S disc:

http://www.landofwhimsy.com/comparis...nnibal1mgm.jpg

Below is the framing of the opening credits of the old UK disc:

http://www.landofwhimsy.com/comparis...nibal1uold.jpg

I wasn't sure yesterday exactly how much was missing on the Japanese Hannibal disc compared to the old UK disc with the faulty framing (I don't own the U.S disc and haven't seen any caps of the opening scene from it, therefore I couldn't use it as reference), so I went searching for my copy of the old UK disc. I managed to find it, and can confirm that the framing in the first scene of the Japanese disc matches the old UK disc with the incorrect framing.

So Mr Goofnut, you can make a note next to the Japanese Hannibal specs about it being misframed.

[Ben_R]

Originally Posted by wesslan

Update

[Show spoiler]
Halloween: Resurrection
US - AVC 26999 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 2249 kbps 16-bit, no English subs (Region free)
US (Re-release) - AVC 34996 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 2347 kbps 24-bit, English subs (Region A)
CA - AVC 17800 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 4156 kbps 24-bit, no English subs (Region A locked)
FR - AVC 32200 kbps, DTS-HD MA 5.1 806 kbps 16-bit, forced French subs (Region B)
ES - AVC, DTS-HD MA 5.1, no eng subs (Region B)
DE - AVC 27421 kbps, DTS-HD HR 5.1 2046 kbps, No English subs (Region B) Best PQ

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ss=1#vergleich

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ss=1#vergleich

Just shows bitrate isn't everything. Clearly better compression on DE disc. Very sad to see such mistakes on such big release in US. The new US boxset should have been the "final" version.

Do you mean the 2015 version that appears to be OOP? https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hallo...lu-ray/128136/

Originally Posted by Torrente

- Halloween 7: H20 (Studio Canal OAR) FR

This one? https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hallo...Blu-ray/42504/

I assume the site specs are incorrect regarding the AR and OAR on this listing?

Originally Posted by Cevolution

[Show spoiler]I wasn't sure yesterday exactly how much was missing on the Japanese Hannibal disc compared to the old UK disc with the faulty framing (I don't own the U.S disc and haven't seen any caps of the opening scene from it, therefore I couldn't use it as reference), so I went searching for my copy of the old UK disc. I managed to find it, and can confirm that the framing in the first scene of the Japanese disc matches the old UK disc with the incorrect framing.

So Mr Goofnut, you can make a note next to the Japanese Hannibal specs about it being misframed.

Thanks for the info, you have just saved me a small fortune

[wesslan]

Kung Fu Jungle aka Kung Fu Killer
US - AVC, DTS-HD MA 5.1, English subs
HK - AVC 27728 kbps, DTS-HD MA 7.1 3027 kbps 16-bit, English subs, more extras (Region A locked) Best AQ

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by wesslan

Kung Fu Jungle aka Kung Fu Killer
US - AVC, DTS-HD MA 5.1, English subs
HK - AVC 27728 kbps, DTS-HD MA 7.1 3027 kbps 16-bit, English subs, more extras (Region A locked) Best AQ

How is it better AQ when the film is natively 5.1?

[Torrente]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I wasn't sure yesterday exactly how much was missing on the Japanese Hannibal disc compared to the old UK disc with the faulty framing (I don't own the U.S disc and haven't seen any caps of the opening scene from it, therefore I couldn't use it as reference), so I went searching for my copy of the old UK disc. I managed to find it, and can confirm that the framing in the first scene of the Japanese disc matches the old UK disc with the incorrect framing.

So Mr Goofnut, you can make a note next to the Japanese Hannibal specs about it being misframed.

When you write "The framing for the opening credits on the Japanese disc appeared to match the U.S disc:"
Don't you mean the "old UK disc" instead?

Or maybe the US disc is also misframed. Anyway it's confusing

[Torrente]

Originally Posted by Ben_R

This one? https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hallo...Blu-ray/42504/

I assume the site specs are incorrect regarding the AR and OAR on this listing?

Well no, they're probably correct.
I don't think one could say an AR is incorrect being 2:34:1 if the OAR was 2.39:1. There's not enough difference to say so... at least to my eyes.
I was referring (and comparing this FR release) to the US release I had (that I listed just above this one) being 1.78:1 instead of 2.39:1.

But yes, maybe it's wrong afterall, maybe the OAR was 2.35:1 for all I know
IMDb says 2.35:1 for what it's worth (but I know a lot of people hates this website).

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by Torrente

I don't get the problem with the frame on the old UK disc.
In the screenshot that is provided, it looks to me that it's way better framed on the contrary!?
I mean, none of the text is missing unlike in the new framing.

Is there maybe a mistake in your sentence? You said "The framing for the opening credits on the Japanese disc appeared to match the U.S disc:"
And then "The framing in the first scene of the Japanese disc matches the old UK disc with the incorrect framing".
I'm totally confused because it's not what is shown in the screenshots.

There is a scene before the opening credits. For this scene the Japanese disc matches the incorrect framing found on the faulty UK disc, however for the opening credits the framing for this sequence does not match the faulty UK disc but rather the U.S disc. The framing for the opening credits on the corrected UK disc is different to both. The framing on the old UK disc is the one with the cut off text.

[batman2000]

which version of halloween 5 is the best?

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

How is it better AQ when the film is natively 5.1?

Where do you find info that 5.1 is the original? And if you go by this forums reviews for both US 5.1 and HK 7.1 it says nothing about a bad upmix or anything.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

There is a scene before the opening credits. For this scene the Japanese disc matches the incorrect framing found on the faulty UK disc, however for the opening credits the framing for this sequence does not match the faulty UK disc but rather the U.S disc. The framing for the opening credits on the corrected UK disc is different to both. The framing on the old UK disc is the one with the cut off text.

Also lets not forget that the old UK disc really is old now! I think the newer correct disc has been in circulation for a good few years now.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by wesslan

Where do you find info that 5.1 is the original? And if you go by this forums reviews for both US 5.1 and HK 7.1 it says nothing about a bad upmix or anything.

Several sites state that it was shown in regular DD theatrically.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

Also lets not forget that the old UK disc really is old now! I think the newer correct disc has been in circulation for a good few years now.

Oh yeah? I want to pick up Hannibal's UK disc but I don't want any problems.

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Several sites state that it was shown in regular DD theatrically.

Yeah imdb states dolby digital and that says pretty much nothing. Most new HK blu-rays is 7.1 today and they also use dolbys 96khz upsampling.

And I don't think no cinema movie ever is only 5.1 as original so that would be a bad assumption for this title.

[Torrente]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Oh yeah? I want to pick up Hannibal's UK disc but I don't want any problems.

I ordered it directly through Amazon 2 years ago and received the corrected disc so I think you don't have to worry, assuming you're purchasing a brand new and sealed copy through a big retailer like Amazon

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by wesslan

Yeah imdb states dolby digital and that says pretty much nothing. Most new HK blu-rays is 7.1 today and they also use dolbys 96khz upsampling.

And I don't think no cinema movie ever is only 5.1 as original so that would be a bad assumption for this title.

Do we have any specs on the U.S. disc yet?

[wesslan]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Do we have any specs on the U.S. disc yet?

5.1 only but that is always with Well Go USA that buys the US rights. All 7.1 movies only get 5.1 from them. Think HK wants the exclusive tracks for themself.

[wesslan]

Is it just me or do I see more detail in the dirt and on the trees altough 5000 kbps less bitrate on the french disc?

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich

And more texture on the graffitti?

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich

[Torrente]

Originally Posted by wesslan

Is it just me or do I see more detail in the dirt and on the trees altough 5000 kbps less bitrate on the french disc?

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich

And more texture on the graffitti?

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich

Well, I don't know, but the french disc seems the way to go if you ask me.
It's a bit brighter so maybe it's why they didn't "need" as much bitrates to take care of the compression sort of speak (I don't know).

Anyway, PQ looks better on the french disc.
And it has a nice slipcover and much better extras, too