8K discussion thread

[LordoftheRings]

And 8K will create even further reductions on the best 4K OLED TVs and 4K front projectors.
It's win win free fall for all.

[JohnAV]

Per LG press release

DENVER, Sept. 11, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- LG Electronics USA announced pricing and immediate availability of the world's first 8K OLED TV and the LG 8K NanoCell TV, which will be on display beginning tomorrow at the CEDIA EXPO 2019. The 88-inch class LG SIGNATURE 8K OLED (model OLED88Z9)1 and 75-inch class LG 8K NanoCell (model 75SM9970)1, with suggested prices of $29,999 and $4,999 respectively, are available at select LG-authorized retailers starting today.

[Robert Zohn]

LG selected us as one of the launch partners for both 8K series TVs.

[LordoftheRings]

They couldn't have selected a better guy.

[Robert Zohn]

Here's a new LG OLED88Z9PUA video.

[Lee A Stewart]

Will 8K TV Follow 4K's Quick Adoption Pattern?

"In 2023, 50 percent of TVs could be 8K, given the rise in sales of larger screens..." Alfred Chan, VP of marketing at V-Silicon - September 11, 2019

https://www.widescreenreview.com/new...l.php?id=22024

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Will 8K TV Follow 4K's Quick Adoption Pattern?

https://www.widescreenreview.com/new...l.php?id=22024

[JohnAV]

Speaking of a joke how about this article

Samsung's 5G 8K TV promises to make Netflix streaming faster than ever - TechRadar

They try to hype it as "8K bingeing without interruption"

Samsung has announced that its joining up with SK Telecom to develop the world's first 5G 8K television, in a move that could revolutionize streaming as we know it.

According to What Hi-Fi?, the 8K TV will be able to "stream images with four times as many pixels as 4K over a super-fast 5G network, thanks to the higher bandwidth capabilities it brings".

The new 8K TV, with the high bandwidth afforded by 5G connectivity means that streaming your favorite shows from platforms like Netflix and Amazon Prime Video could be faster than ever, with lower latency, and of course, four times the pixels than 4K TVs.

Ok reality exists, it really does, a extreme short range 5G connection is not going to facilitate 8K streaming, it doesn't make Netflix streaming faster then ever. Duh you have fixed streaming speeds for Netflix, doesn't matter if you got 50 Mbps versus 1Gbps. You won't be seeing any 8k binging either, because Netflix and Amazon Prime Video don't offer any.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Here's a new LG OLED88Z9PUA video.

Check the link, access denied Robert.

[sapiendut]

After the severely inaccurate colours, fake 8K and now this. I don’t understand why people on the mid and hogh end market of TV still buy Samsung.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

After the severely inaccurate colours, fake 8K and now this. I don’t understand why people on the mid and hogh end market of TV still buy Samsung.

All Marketers Are Liars is based on the idea that we believe whatever we want to believe, and that it's exactly this trait of ours, which marketers use (and sometimes abuse) to sell their products by infusing them with good stories – whether they're true or not.

The premise is "We live in an age where every business must have a story to tell its customers. Because if it doesn't, very soon it will have no customers at all."

This is why Samsung is pumping out propaganda that they will be the biggest 8K TV provider never mind anyone else. Its why they raced out there selling a 55" 8K TV so they can abandon their 4k TV's ASAP so they can argue the future is with them, instead of being realists with 8K technology.

The problem with selling this story, is that the consumer might be convinced that the 8K ecosystem is ready way before its time. Those 3% (IHF) of the marketplace compared to 8K association (Samsung) claiming 50% of the TV marketplace by 2023 for the consumer is very confusing.

Beware Sharks are in the water tread carefully!

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Here's a new LG OLED88Z9PUA video.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Check the link, access denied Robert.

John is right Robert; I cannot access it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Speaking of a joke how about this article

Samsung's 5G 8K TV promises to make Netflix streaming faster than ever - TechRadar

They try to hype it as "8K bingeing without interruption"

Ok reality exists, it really does, a extreme short range 5G connection is not going to facilitate 8K streaming, it doesn't make Netflix streaming faster then ever. Duh you have fixed streaming speeds for Netflix, doesn't matter if you got 50 Mbps versus 1Gbps. You won't be seeing any 8k binging either, because Netflix and Amazon Prime Video don't offer any.

We already have 8K cat videos on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFKBp3cpaw

The floodgates to streaming 8K content have been opened!

[JohnAV]

Jet Engines Strapped to Feet Going 103.4 MPH! In 8K! - YouTube

From Franky Zapata who flew over the channel in 8K. They added some humor with the police.

[Geoff D]

From the DVB Scene magazine https://www.dvb.org/resources/public...4.pdf#page=12:

8K is the upper level in the ITU specification for UHDTV (BT.2020-2), with the same technical parameter values as 4K, except with more static resolution.

lolz

[Lee A Stewart]

The resolution gap

If you've bought a TV in recent years, there's a fair chance it was a 4K TV. By now, more than 50% of all units sold are 4K TVs, and their value share is even greater. It's almost remarkable HD still has such a relatively high share as HD TVs are becoming scarce on store shelves. Most brands have few if any models left in their range.

Since 4K TVs first became available about 6 years ago, they have steadily nibbled away at HD TVs dominance – first at very large screen sizes, gradually working their way down to all but the smallest screen diameters.

This relative success of 4K TVs in the market seems to prove that chicken-and-egg-situations of content and hardware supporting each other don't always preclude market development. TV makers have pushed this shift to higher resolutions as a way to combat price erosion which threatened to destroy already slim margins.

So has the 4K TV revolution succeeded? That depends whom you ask. 4K TV for sure is here to stay for a while, and will only go away if displaced by 8K TV, or if consumers stop buying TV sets altogether (and switch to mobile displays instead). This is imaginable, but unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future. TV manufacturers will not abandon 4K to return to HD, like they did with 3D TV, reverting to 2D.

So at what point should we expect all, or at least a majority of broadcasts, to be in 4K? Probably never. If you had been counting on it, consider that about 20 years after the first introduction of High Definition Television (HDTV), still a lot of broadcasting takes place in Standard Definition (SD). Is that a problem? A first-world problem for sure. It depends on how large your TV is, how big your viewing distance, how much you care about spatial resolution, how good your eyes are, how well your TV can upscale, how eager you are to watch the local news, and a whole lot of other factors.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1568369924

[Lee A Stewart]

Hisense dual layer LCD TVs

Then there is Hisense's dual-layer LCD technology. While we were fairly impressed with the prototype that we saw at CES 2019 (same prototype was on display at IFA), the actual consumer product (U9E "ULED XD") is less impressive. Something appears to have changed on the path from prototype to product.

Hisense exhibited a 75-inch 8K "ULED XD" TV based on the dual-layer LCD technology. While certainly very colorful, it exhibited visible blooming and flicker as well as heavy vertical banding (visible in the photos below). The monochrome layer behind the LCD panel appears to be limited to 1080p resolution and the display was seemingly not capable of resolving 8K resolution, with jagged edges and visible pixel patterns as you move closer.





If you have been waiting for dual layer LCD technology to solve the limitations of LCD you should probably realign your expectations. Panasonic's 'MegaCon' prototype, based on the same technology, is in a different league than Hisense's product in terms of picture quality but it has other issues.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1568361005

[JohnAV]

Lee you forgot the graphic representation from your posted flatpanelHD article.



That in itself is more useful then article text comments on how 4K has succeeded.

4K OTA just isn’t viable with wireless industry buying up all available frequency spectrum from a crooked FCC from broadcasters. That in itself is like the analogy of you only have so many acres of food production vs a out of control population. Eventually that resource is maxed out, look elsewhere.

8k will be supplied via extreme high speed internet, or Satellite.

[JohnAV]

Sony's Crystal cinema display supports 16K, but could cost millions - Engadget

"If you've got the cash and space, you'll be the envy of your neighborhood."

Sony recently unveiled its Crystal LED screen for cinema exhibitors, but it has now announced that the tech will be available to consumers, as well. It will be selling the screens through specially trained and certified dealers in sizes up to 63 feet wide at 16K resolution, but unless you're a one-percenter, you probably won't be able to afford it.

Much like Samsung's Cinema LED (Onyx) system, Sony's Crystal LED tech uses micro-LED modules, each 16x18 inches in size at 360 x 360 resolution with three tiny LEDs for each pixel. The technology works like OLED, but is much brighter, allowing for extremely high 1,000 nit brightness, 10-bits of grayscale, very accurate color reproduction (140 percent of sRGB) and "spectacular" 3D, as Sony described it.

By putting together modules, you can create screens with different sizes and resolutions. Sony will offer it any way you want, but some sample configurations include 1080p with 18 modules at 8 feet x 4 feet, 4K size at 16 feet wide (72 modules), 8K at 32 feet x 18 feet (288 modules) and 16K and 63 feet x 18 feet (576 modules).

It sounds a bit like putting together Lego, except that each "block" reportedly costs around $10,000. That means the 4K screen would run around $720,000, while the 16K unit would cost you a whopping $5.8 million.

To be fair, if you have space for a 63 foot wide screen, there's a good chance you have enough cash to pay for one. Sony didn't say when the Crystal LED tech go on sale, but it will be showing off the tech at the CEDIA expo in Colorado.

Source Sony

Sony's Crystal LED direct view display system uses ultra-fine micro-LED measuring 0.003 mm² – half the width of a human hair – which are 100 times smaller than traditional LEDs. The display recently received a prestigious 2019 Display Industry Award for "Display of the Year" from the Society of Information Display, recognizing Crystal LED's unprecedented visual experience. The technology delivers crisp, blur-free moving images with high frame rate up to 120p for razor-sharp motion rendition that is far beyond the reach of conventional video.

Additional technical highlights:

• HDR with high brightness (1,000 nits)
• 10-bit grayscale
• Precise color reproduction
• Extraordinary color gamut – 140 percent of sRGB
• High frame rates up to 120p
• Nearly 180-degree viewing angle
• Spectacular 3D
• Non-standard aspect ratios
• 99 percent black surface area for delivering high contrast and high resolution

[gkolb]

John, evidently Sony has tamed the power consumption that was reported earlier this year (maybe that was CES).

Maybe that’s why nits are capped at 1000, to meet consumer power savings requirements.

Ps: at first I was gonna say why not go 4000 nits to meet some of the mastering containers used by certain studios, but then I changed my mind to the above.