Sony introduces high-end ZD9 TV series with HDR

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Final overall 940E test was last night, dark room letterbox viewing with an HDR movie (Skull Island).

Not once, unless I intentionally stared, could I ever see the black letterbox affected in a dark scene with some light at the bottom or the top. If you get off angle you can see it, but in a proper seat it just does not draw attention. And even when a small area of the letterbox may have some carryover from the content, the rest of the box is dark. Sony really has their stuff down with local dimming programming and video processing.

Also did not see any evidence of zones doing funky things in dark scenes with light areas and movement or pans. I remember a 2009 Toshiba 55" I had, with something like 96 zones. You could literally see them turn on and off with movement LOL.

Nice.

The 940E is the follow up to last year's X940D I believe?

[elwaylite]

Yes.

260 zones vs the 600+ on the ZD9.

[elwaylite]

Just a follow up on my 940E pic settings. One thing I do not like is that when using say Cinema Pro for SDR and HDR, certain things have to be changed each time because they carry over (why Sony, why???). So, I reread 10k's post in the ZD9 thread with his pattern observations, and used the 1080p disc I have and Masciola's HDR patterns to check stuff out, and here is how I will run everything until Chad B can make it out. Using Pro for SDR and Home for HDR to make life simple:

Wide Mode Full and Display Area Full Pixel (not applicable with a 2160p input)
Enhanced mode on for HDMI inputs

Setting---Pro(SDR)---Home(HDR)

Brightness---15---Max
Contrast---90---95
Gamma---(-2)---0
Black Level---49---50
Black Adj---Off on both
Contrast Enh---Off on both
Local Dim---Medium on both
X Dyn Range---Off---High

Color---50 on both
Hue---0 on both
Color Temp---Expert 1 on both
Live Color---Off on both

Sharpness---50 on both
Reality---Off on both
Noise Red---Off on both
Smooth Grad---Low on both

Motionflow---Custom Smooth 3 Clear 0 on both

Video Options---All 3 on Auto on both

Light Sensor---Off (only applies to SDR)

[DJR662]

These settings are almost the same as I am using with my X940D except I don't use motion interpolation.

[elwaylite]

Im a fan of some dejudder, just not too much. 3 works pretty well. One of my beefs with the OLED, terrible motion.

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Im a fan of some dejudder, just not too much. 3 works pretty well. One of my beefs with the OLED, terrible motion.

The A1E are you talking about? I thought the processor was the same on the 940, Z9, A1 and possibly the 930. Wouldn't motion be close to the same on each?

I'm asking because I am collecting info before my next buy which will be either the Z9 or the A1

[pbz06]

Settings look good. I think most people will be similar.

I'm sensitive to SOE though (even Smoothnes at 1 is too much for me) so I stick to True Cinema.

It will be interesting to see calibrated results too, so you hopefully post those when ready.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by JimShaw

The A1E are you talking about? I thought the processor was the same on the 940, Z9, A1 and possibly the 930. Wouldn't motion be close to the same on each?

I'm asking because I am collecting info before my next buy which will be either the Z9 or the A1

Talking about LG Oled's, motion aint so hot, and TruMotion has issues. Not sure how well Motionflow on the A1E works.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by pbz06

Settings look good. I think most people will be similar.

I'm sensitive to SOE though (even Smoothnes at 1 is too much for me) so I stick to True Cinema.

It will be interesting to see calibrated results too, so you hopefully post those when ready.

Yeah, I will post the findings when Chad is done, waiting to hear when in Sept he will be in.

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Talking about LG Oled's, motion aint so hot, and TruMotion has issues. Not sure how well Motionflow on the A1E works.

Thanks for the update

[elwaylite]

Anyone messed around with the dyn contrast enhancer or the xtended dyn range in SDR? I guess they work as faux HDR.

[Geoff D]

XDR does exactly that, yes.

[elwaylite]

It is odd there is even a need for XDR in HDR mode.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

It is odd there is even a need for XDR in HDR mode.

Without XDR on then you don't get HDR, if you set that to off then you're effectively turning HDR off. Why Sony made it user adjustable for HDR and not locked out I don't know (I can understand making it adjustable for faux HDR application), but it needs to be on maximum in order to track the 2084 curve correctly.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Anyone messed around with the dyn contrast enhancer or the xtended dyn range in SDR? I guess they work as faux HDR.

Yes, personally I use Low for XDR on more recent releases. XDR is the faux HDR setting. On older movies, the white levels can look noisy and bad, but it works really well in cleaning up the picture on modern releases (i.e. light source edges like headlights and lamps are better defined).

I also use Medium and sometimes Low for Advanced Contrast Enhancer. In most cases, I like the look of it better. It's very subtle definition in textures and contrast of brights vs darks. When reading the description of it (and it's on by default for Home), it sounds like it is meant to be used and is not the typical "dynamic contrast" that other TVs have been using for years.

[elwaylite]

Cool. Ill flop bother over to Low on SDR and check it out.

And on XDR with HDR, I agree. Should have been locked on High, not user adjustable.

[elwaylite]

Watched Resident Evil Vendetta tonight, basically like watching a video game but had its moments. PQ was odd at times, but in the city during the day about midway it was fantastic, and the last 20-30 minutes at night, on the building with the final monster, it was gorgeous. The 940E looks superb in a room with no lighting, I mean I have a 6500K LED strip I am still going to try, but man it looks good.

Also demoed the scene in B v S where they fight. The glow and pop of Batman's eyes were great, some parts the OLED would win, but others the 940E takes all the way. From the fire to the gunshots, they were super bright and detailed, much brighter than my E6, and when they are on the roof, the lightning was starting to get to me. Every time it flashed I had to blink, I was like "damn".

Can't wait to demo more stuff when I get time, and I settled on Motionflow Custom, 3 and 0 over Standard.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by pbz06

Yes, personally I use Low for XDR on more recent releases. XDR is the faux HDR setting. On older movies, the white levels can look noisy and bad, but it works really well in cleaning up the picture on modern releases (i.e. light source edges like headlights and lamps are better defined).

I also use Medium and sometimes Low for Advanced Contrast Enhancer. In most cases, I like the look of it better. It's very subtle definition in textures and contrast of brights vs darks. When reading the description of it (and it's on by default for Home), it sounds like it is meant to be used and is not the typical "dynamic contrast" that other TVs have been using for years.

Even though it might be tempting at times to use these settings, my purist side says "No" so I'll leave ACE off at all times and no XDR for SDR either.

[elwaylite]

Yeah, I messed around, ACE and XDR off for me on SDR.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Even though it might be tempting at times to use these settings, my purist side says "No" so I'll leave ACE off at all times and no XDR for SDR either.

XDR, yea I can see that. For reference watching I turn it off too, but if I'm watching like Transformers or Netflix, then who cares it looks good or better I'm most cases, and Low is subtle

ACE isn't a purist dilemma for me, no more than local dimming or motion settings IMO. It's meant to optimize the picture and works in conjunction with the backlight so I dunno...purist can be arbitrary to me. What we watch at home is already different than what's caught on camera