Sony introduces high-end ZD9 TV series with HDR

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by cochon

I am wondering whether you might have a Bluetooth speaker nearby that's getting connected and disconnected because is right on the distance limit.

The Z9D doesn't do A2DP anyway so it couldn't be that.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by clemdog

I’ll switch it and see if that helps. May I ask why it matters?

The ARC signal passes to/from the Denon. The Sony player can't do anything with that.

[cochon]

Originally Posted by clemdog

I’ll switch it and see if that helps. May I ask why it matters?

That could be the cause of your problem, it matters because only the ARC input on the TV works as an output to send sound to the receiver, there must be some weird interaction going on because of bad connections and other things you haven't mentioned could be playing a part too but may be what I am writing below may cover all you need to do.

If you are using a receiver the player should not really be connected to the tv at all. We were talking about the x800 right? You should connect the player to a regular HDMI input on the denon. You'll be using only one output of the player, the second one remains disconnected. then the ARC input of the TV gets connected to the HDMI output of the DENON marked as ARC. Then you need to make sure you have activated on the menus of the TV and the DENON the ARC feature. That might solve your problem.

[clemdog]

Originally Posted by cochon

That could be the cause of your problem, it matters because only the ARC input on the TV works as an output to send sound to the receiver, there must be some weird interaction going on because of bad connections and other things you haven't mentioned could be playing a part too but may be what I am writing below may cover all you need to do.

If you are using a receiver the player should not really be connected to the tv at all. We were talking about the x800 right? You should connect the player to a regular HDMI input on the denon. You'll be using only one output of the player, the second one remains disconnected. then the ARC input of the TV gets connected to the HDMI output of the DENON marked as ARC. Then you need to make sure you have activated on the menus of the TV and the DENON the ARC feature. That might solve your problem.

I’ve now run the UHD player thru the Denon too. Now everything is running to the Sony via HDMI 2.

Will see if that eliminates the pop-up message...

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Heh, I was thinking the same thing...but folks who pay for their calibrations are usually very reticent to give them out.

My 75Z9D was broke-in and calibrated by a pro out of New York and then the set was mailed to me.

My sets's calibration (for me is excellent) may not be perfect for yours because each TV is a tad different


Attached is the calibration

[DJR662]

I keep wondering why my SDR 2-point white balance settings always differ so much from others?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by JimShaw

My 75Z9D was broke-in and calibrated by a pro out of New York and then the set was mailed to me.

My sets's calibration (for me is excellent) may not be perfect for yours because each TV is a tad different


Attached is the calibration

Thanks very much for the numbers although I don't want them just to blindly copy them in because I've done my own calibration(s) on my 65ZD9. I'm just genuinely interested in what they were on yours, as well as these other "tricks" to getting the best out of HDR. Is it it hopping on one foot whilst rubbing your belly and patting your head?

Originally Posted by DJR662

I keep wondering why my SDR 2-point white balance settings always differ so much from others?

I find that the more you fiddle the more it throws it out of whack. I used to adjust both Gain and Bias and had a lot of 10-pt adjustments to make after that, but then I read a review of the A1E OLED which said that the Bias controls put the darker tones so out of whack that they avoided using it. Lo and behold, when I applied that reasoning to the Zed it made dialling in the colour so simple, solely adjusting the red and blue Gain and the uppermost '10' of the 10-pt white balance. That's it.

[vincentric]

Anyone using bias/ambient lighting on their Zs, 40s and or 30s?

If I remember correctly, Stinging Velvet and a few other forumites are big proponents of ambient lighting.

Ordered a cheap set to try out (these $9 ones on Amazon), hooked it up to the 930e and while it won't magically turn the TV into some infinite black panel, and I can still see blooming, have to say the bias lights are doing a very nice job of mitigating and reducing the bloom.

Snapped a quick pic of the Batman v Supes autumn leaf WB logo, still some bloom there (edit: not to mention a bad bit of glare on the right side of the image courtesy of my closet's glass mirror) but very happy with the results nonetheless -



For the obvious record, crappy camera exposure is making the bias lighting look brighter than it is, it looks less bright than that in person.

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Thanks very much for the numbers although I don't want them just to blindly copy them in because I've done my own calibration(s) on my 65ZD9. I'm just genuinely interested in what they were on yours, as well as these other "tricks" to getting the best out of HDR. Is it it hopping on one foot whilst rubbing your belly and patting your head?

Always fun to test and play

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by vincentric

Are you using that 930 as a PC monitor too, what size is that?

Anyway that is a surreal looking picture you took there. Looks as if everything is B&W except the leaf, keyboard numbers and that red blanket (?) in the right corner.

[vincentric]

Yes sir, kept the oled in the living room and got the 930e (55'') primarily as a pc workstation/gaming monitor but finding myself watching more movies on it more than anything. When I do some actual work on it, the larger screen and resolution allows me to have more windows opened at once which is useful for the stuff I have to edit.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by vincentric

Yes sir, kept the oled in the living room and got the 930e (55'') primarily as a pc workstation/gaming monitor but finding myself watching more movies on it more than anything. When I do some actual work on it, the larger screen and resolution allows me to have more windows opened at once which is useful for the stuff I have to edit.

Whoa, talking about luxury! That's quite a difference from my 17,3" laptop screen.

[Geoff D]

Holy shit, that's some monitor! It's an increasing trend for people to eschew a traditional desktop size monitor and just buy a big-ass TV, I don't have the room where my PC is but I'd do it if I could.

As for bias lighting: I've tried it, not a fan.

[elwaylite]

Not gonna throw white balance settings out there, I mean they don't carry over (my friend has a 940E chad did as well, not the same). I can give input on other settings if someone needs input. I will say he did SDR in Cinema Pro and HDR in Custom. We viewed a lot of content (HDR reference images) and Custom made the most sense when looking at the high nit highlights in images (sun, etc...).

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by vincentric

Anyone using bias/ambient lighting on their Zs, 40s and or 30s?

If I remember correctly, Stinging Velvet and a few other forumites are big proponents of ambient lighting.

Ordered a cheap set to try out (these $9 ones on Amazon), hooked it up to the 930e and while it won't magically turn the TV into some infinite black panel, and I can still see blooming, have to say the bias lights are doing a very nice job of mitigating and reducing the bloom.

Snapped a quick pic of the Batman v Supes autumn leaf WB logo, still some bloom there (edit: not to mention a bad bit of glare on the right side of the image courtesy of my closet's glass mirror) but very happy with the results nonetheless -

https://s.yimg.com/pw/images/en-us/p...navailable.png

For the obvious record, crappy camera exposure is making the bias lighting look brighter than it is, it looks less bright than that in person.

I use Philips Hue light strips for bias lighting which I really like since I can change them to any color I want and it is tied into my macros on my Harmony Elite.




I also have a Hue strip on the back of my desk in my office but not behind the 930E.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Not gonna throw white balance settings out there, I mean they don't carry over (my friend has a 940E chad did as well, not the same). I can give input on other settings if someone needs input. I will say he did SDR in Cinema Pro and HDR in Custom. We viewed a lot of content (HDR reference images) and Custom made the most sense when looking at the high nit highlights in images (sun, etc...).

Doesn't Custom still have the hard clip to 1000 nits?

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Doesn't Custom still have the hard clip to 1000 nits?

That's my understanding. Once I heard about that, I started only using that preset for SDR satellite content.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Doesn't Custom still have the hard clip to 1000 nits?

Custom shows more bars (almost to 5k) on test patterns than pro and home, and like I said using your eyes and HDR images on a signal generator, Home clips out more detail in clouds and such. Pro and Custom were very similar there.

[Geoff D]

Again, complete opposite here: with Pro and Home set to equal settings then Pro clips more than Home does, the latter has a slightly more relaxed tone map which lowers brightness to fit in more range, whilst Pro keeps the brightness up a bit more and clips earlier in the range as a result. Lemme check my test patterns now though, perhaps something happened in the later firmware updates...

[Geoff D]

Yep, still the same. With contrast at 88 and black level at 50, Custom clips at 1000 nits, Pro gets out to about 1500 (what I'm using at the moment) and Home gets within touching distance of 4000. Tested on both Ryan Masciola's clipping patterns and the 0-10,000 ramp on Sony UHDs.